Mini 686 - Chess Mafia (Done)

[Indigo Heron]

You guys stilll aren't done, even though I largely ignored this for about a week?

[MafiaSSK]

Also,

Mod

, when's deadline?

In two days.

[veerus]

We have a free shot at the d5 pawn and prevent the discover check after f3.

My question was what is your response move after black has played a move if we play Re5. Not what the advantages are of playing Re5.
Because I don't see what we can do after threatening a black pawn and a black bishop.

Well, black can't effectively protect the bishop AND the pawn, so unless you can point something out, our response would be to capture whatever piece is not protected. How is that not obvious?

[veerus]

Thanks for confirming my thoughts. Everyone else seems to have a big case of

group-think

going on.

What do you mean with the bolded?

I mean that there's no discussion and no consideration of alternative moves. Especially when the move being voted on is terrible.

[Abstract Actuary]

We have a free shot at the d5 pawn and prevent the discover check after f3.

My question was what is your response move after black has played a move if we play Re5. Not what the advantages are of playing Re5.
Because I don't see what we can do after threatening a black pawn and a black bishop.

Well, black can't effectively protect the bishop AND the pawn, so unless you can point something out, our response would be to capture whatever piece is not protected. How is that not obvious?

Black can easily protect them both on the upcoming move. Have you even read all the posts made this day?

[EmpTyger]

I'm not certain the difference between Re6 and Qf6 is significant. I'm willing to go along with Re6.

[EmpTyger]

ugh That's the second time today, isn't it. Betwen Re6 and Qf5.

[EmpTyger]

Sorry, guys, I haven't had time to analyze the position. I was going to do this on ethical argument- but who is Sudo_Nym? I thought RayF replaced Mastin?

[Sudo_Nym]

Sorry, guys, I haven't had time to analyze the position. I was going to do this on ethical argument- but who is Sudo_Nym? I thought RayF replaced Mastin?

That's why I haven't been posting since my first post; I've been waiting to see how this turns out.

[MafiaSSK]

I determined that RF wasn't interested in the game. I then let Sudo Nym replace.

[ZazieR]

Mod

- Could we have a Move Count?

[ZazieR]

You guys stilll aren't done, even though I largely ignored this for about a week?

We were almost there. This news gets even better when you hear that we almost had a hammer move on the correct move, Qf5. But then Sudo replaced in and everything changed.
Also, I just saw that there were others who haven't weighed in for a while now as well.

Mod

- please prod them in case it might make a difference.

[ZazieR]

We have a free shot at the d5 pawn and prevent the discover check after f3.

My question was what is your response move after black has played a move if we play Re5. Not what the advantages are of playing Re5.
Because I don't see what we can do after threatening a black pawn and a black bishop.

Well, black can't effectively protect the bishop AND the pawn, so unless you can point something out, our response would be to capture whatever piece is not protected. How is that not obvious?

Yes, black can.
Also, wasn't one of the advantages of Re5 that black can't move f3? What you suggest in the quote gives them this opportunity. Only protect the bishop, Veerus wants to whack the pawn, f3 and either check (And what the main reason of Re5 was fails) or we trade a rook for a pawn and bishop, perhaps with an included check.

[ZazieR]

Thanks for confirming my thoughts. Everyone else seems to have a big case of

group-think

going on.

What do you mean with the bolded?

I mean that there's no discussion and no consideration of alternative moves. Especially when the move being voted on is terrible.

The queen trade isn't that terrible according to you. As for the two black pawns, both won't last long at all. It's two black pawns, a bishop a rook and perhaps a king against a white pawn and two rooks.
Yes, black has more pieces, but our pieces are stronger placed.

Short stated: Qf5 is not a terrible move and is in fact better than Re5.

[ZazieR]

ugh That's the second time today, isn't it. Betwen Re6 and Qf5.

I thought it was between Re5 and Qf5

[Abstract Actuary]

Don't prod me. I"m here and my thoughts are all known and I have a vote on the table for my preferred move.

[ZazieR]

Prods were more aimed at Goat, ah and TCS.
Though Goat has stated computer issues and ah has a lack of interest ._.

[Sudo_Nym]

I still say that Qf5 is not the right move. It's not a bad move- in fact it's a good move, and I could support it under different conditions. But I think it's a mistake to trade off our strongly placed and active queen for black's inactive and poorly placed queen.

[Goatrevolt]

My computer is up and running again. I'll check out the game tonight.

[MafiaSSK]

14 hours until deadline.Updated player list will come then.

[EmpTyger]

Move: Qf5

. I've changed my mind. I don't think the is the time for larger strategy- I don't think this game is getting played out until the end. Either one side is going to get a significant enough material advantage and the other side will grant them enough intelligence to not screw it up and will concede. Or we're all going to agree on a draw. I don't see this game getting played out until the end, not with this kind of modding.

Forget the rest about the deadline problems and the lack of attention. Not telling us who's in the game, and which moves will count until after the day ends? This is not what I agreed to.

Zazie:
I really think you're missing something in your analyses- about both Re5 and Qg6.

[EmpTyger]

pb]Unmove Qf5, move Re5[/b]
I don't know what's wrong with me

[EmpTyger]

Unmove: Qf5, move: Re5

[EmpTyger]

Sorry for another quadruplepost- but to clarify, I'm not changing my mind in [1571/1572], just correcting. I had started to do Qf5, then reevaluated for the reason given and forgot that to check which move I had actually typed before posting. Sorry for the lack of attention.

[veerus]

I still say that Qf5 is not the right move. It's not a bad move- in fact it's a good move, and I could support it under different conditions. But I think it's a mistake to trade off our strongly placed and active queen for black's inactive and poorly placed queen.

QFT