Mafia 104 - Revenge of the Crimson King - Game!

[Raivann]

Oh sorry to hold up game,
Yeah im VT.

[Tarhalindur]

Though I really wish Rai had gotten a later spot.

Is there a non-role-related reason for this?

Wait, I don't know why I said that. I honestly have no clue. I've been drunk for about 48 hours straight celebrating my 21st birthday, so there's no telling what would have been going through my mind.

Expecting a VT claim from Rai, but we'll see what happens.

Major, MAJOR scumpoints for you right here - that post is reading as BLATANT scumbuddy coaching to me.

In fact, given that you ALSO made that "wish Rai had gotten a later spot" comment just a little bit ago... pending a reread, you've just convinced me that you're Jupiter Mafia. Right now, I'd be nearly as happy to lynch you as I would be to lynch Raivann.

HoS: xRECKONERx

Merk, your claim is next.

[Merkabah]

Yeah, unless anything else comes up, we're gonna lynch Raiv/xRx.

We're a town villager.

[xRECKONERx]

Whoa, that wasn't coaching. I'm just saying - Rai is likely scum, and scum would claim VT on the last day.

[xRECKONERx]

PS - Slicey's next.

[xRECKONERx]

Vote: Raivann

I'll explain why his claim is bullshit after the massclaim is over.

[Merkabah]

1) I call bullshit on xRx

(See: "I expect Vanilla claim" -xRx
"I claim Vanilla" -Raiv
"I don't believe it!" -xRx)

2) If my scancount is right, Raiv is at L-3

3) Slicey hasn't been active for like a month and a half, so muh would be next since we have 0 sign of a replacement.

[zoraster]

unvote

I apologize for my absence. I had a number of things start right at the same time. I'm catching up now.

[zoraster]

Okay. A few quick points:

1. Mass claim is fine.
2. I'd definitely not assume we only have one scum team. I assume the other until proven wrong.
3. There were a number of questions posed to me in the past week or so that I didn't get to. I don't want to go back to things people don't care about and bog the game down, but I'd be happy to answer any questions people feel are still relevant.

Anyway, next is slicey, but has he gone AWOL? We could just skip to muh. I agree with those who state the less time spent the better.

[Wickedestjr]

Wicked is also far too fascinated with the multiscum setup, and his posts reek of scum sowing seeds of confusion.

I assume you are talking about Percy here, right? Anyway, can you show examples of how he is far to fascinated and why that is scummy? Also, please give examples of him sowing seeds of confusion.

Vote: wicked

No way did he just repeat the same arguments regarding the kills and factions then say "I'm not done catching up." He's blatantly trying to appear townie by stealing other ideas then added on the whole "oh. I'm catching up" bit to make it sound like an innocent coincidence.

Sorry, I didn't know I wasn't able to speculate on the game until I've made sure my ideas haven't already been mentioned. I don't think it is impossible for players to have similar ideas about the game.

But now, as you've gotten more attention, my top suspect suddenly suspects you. An iso read shows that Wickedest gave a neutral read on you earlier in the game and then didn't talk about you at all until now. That's a possible bus, but I'd rather start with Wickedest and then make the call.

Wow. Are you serious? Even if me and Raivann were scumbuddies, then me calling him neutral isn't bussing at all. It also seems that you've completely ignored the fact that I had him as neutral because I didn't have much information about him:

Raivann - Don't know much about him yet. I'm waiting for more posts.
Neutral.

How is that bussing?

And the reason for me not mentioning him much is because he hasn't really stood out to me. I like the points that Tar brought up though.

[Wickedestjr]

No. You can't make something out of jokes. And you definitely can't have your cake and eat it too by suspecting two people you perceive as arguing. That's like saying, "either or is scum, and I'll be on both wagons."

My accusations weren't serious. Also, I wasn't taking relationships into account when we were still in the RVS. I have even given several reasons why.

Also, another thing I'd like to point out is that RBT has done the exact same thing, but

out

of the RVS:

I am quite confident that Monkey/Swim are scum together.

UNVOTE; VOTE:Monkey

You seem to have completely ignored it.

Again, RVS phase. Nothing we said was serious. So you can't get anything out of our comments.

Like I said, I wasn't seriously suspecting you or RayFrost.

Umm... back up. Where do I assume you're thinking about scum relationships? And by scum relationships, do you mean of the same faction?

Okay: You voted me for suspecting you and RayFrost despite both of you arguing with each other. When I said this:

Fourthly, he assumes that I would think about scum relationships on page 2 of the game. That is a stupid assumption.

I was pointing out how wierd it was that you were attacking me for not considering these relationships when we were in the RVS.

Kinda went over this in my last post. You're serious about the scumhunting-progress. To me, that eliminates you from being a lazy scummer

..and? I don't get it.

Do you see how you've got your sights on us two? For one thing, I wasn't calling him hider but asking him if he called me hider. It was just weird as hell that you'd give Ray props for rolefishing against scum, yet you had your vote on him..

My vote had nothing to do with the rolefishing.

[xRECKONERx]

What are we to do if Slicey is gone?

Mod: can you prod/replace Slicey, please?

[ Working on it. -Mod ]

@Merk: it's not just the fact that it's a vanilla claim. But I'll explain further when the massclaim is done.

[Kise]

Also, another thing I'd like to point out is that RBT has done the exact same thing, but

out

of the RVS:

You seem to have completely ignored it.

Didn't ignore it. You used my name so you got the attention. And... I was probably-definitely inactive that month.

[Xylthixlm]

Vote Count

Raivann -

5

(Tarhalindur, Trumpet of Doom, Merkabah, muh316, xRECKONERx)
muh316 -

1

(Raivann)
Wickedestjr -

1

(Pads)
Pads -

1

(Riceballtail)
Vaya -

1

(Socrates)

Not voting: Slicey, Vaya, Kise, Wickedestjr, zoraster

With 14 alive it will take 8 to lynch.

[xRECKONERx]

Hey, we have six days to deadline, so we just need to skip Slicey for now, the massclaim needs to hurry the fuck up.

[Tarhalindur]

Slicey's a lost cause and we'll probably have to lynch him for it. Problem is, muh is next on the list and suddenly MIA (if he stays off the thread for >12 hours, I'd say move on and put him firmly back on the list of players that need lynching). Vaya comes immediately after that (if we have to skip him, HE goes on the autolynch list as well).

After that, the next person to claim is you, xRECKOMERx... so if we really need to speed up the massclaim, you're up next. (Mind you, given your behavior towards Raivann and BS excuse for it I'd be pretty happy to see an earlier xRECKONERx claim...)

[xRECKONERx]

Kay.

I'm a

Bulletproof Townie

, and to my knowledge, I have not been shot yet. The Role PM doesn't state whether or not I'll be notified if I'm shot.

[muh316]

I am Town Jack of all Trades
and should I mention my investigateion yet.

[Merkabah]

xRx = SK then (bulletproof my ass)

Now onto muh.

JOAT's only get one shot at each/all of their abilities in my experience; so you're not gonna get another one no matter what. The only way that we could protect you is if we lynch the SK (xRx); but then you'd be jailkept and couldn't make use of your other abilities, though with only 1 kill last night, it's highly doubtful that the scum has a roleblocker as I'm wagering Tar was the one that kept whoever it was alive/prevented the killing.

Innocent would add another person to the "not a suspect list" and allow all of us more information.

Guilty is obviously a reveal, and something that I think you would've said already.

I don't really see a downside to revealing any results you have, muh.

[Kise]

What the fuck

[Kise]

1143 = coaching?

[Merkabah]

He said he had an investigation, that's my opinion on it with my thought process. You wanna put out your thoughts on it?

Even if you truly believe that he's part of a second scumteam; and I'm part of it with him, wouldn't you think that we'd all get together and figure out a safeclaim for him with everything to do? Or how about I'm town and that's what I feel about a one time result with possible pros and cons.

[Kise]

Why are you telling muh how many shots JOATs get? If he really is JOAT, he should know.

[Tarhalindur]

Kay.

I'm a

Bulletproof Townie

, and to my knowledge, I have not been shot yet. The Role PM doesn't state whether or not I'll be notified if I'm shot.

Bulletproof Townie is an autolynch claim (I'm pretty sure you're not lying about being bulletproof - that would be stupid - but bulletproof townie claims usually come from bulletproof Mafiosos).

Unvote, Vote: xRECKONERx

I am Town Jack of all Trades
and should I mention my investigateion yet.

I don't think you understand the meaning of the word "massclaim". You need to claim which 1-shots you have, and definitely any results.

[Tarhalindur]

1143 = coaching?

I'll hold judgment on this until muh finishes fullclaiming.