More thoughts on claims:
- The Stephen claims still don't add up to me... if John is so damn important to future events, why do there appear to be more Stephens than Johns? Doesn't make sense to me from a setup design standpoint - not with the rest of the stuff I've seen.
The obvious possibility here is that there's a lying John in the time-traveling Stephens (in which case that John just about has to be scum...), but if so then who's the third scum? Could be one of the other future Stephens, but then why didn't my doppelganger appear with the John who contacted me? Could be future Joe... but why the hell would John work with Joe? Besides, if mipe wasn't the John who contacted me I'm pretty confident that malthusis isn't scum with my John. Maybe John recruited his buddies after the incident with me? Or they didn't show themselves?
Most likely answer if this is the case is that one of Boxman/RayFrost is scum, but I can't be sure. (At this point, I'm seriously wishing I knew which of Cobalt/UK was the past timeline Gary... unless there's a third Gary lying his ass off somewhere...)
Alternate possibility, I suppose, is that there's only two Mafia and there's another neutral (second SK trying to set up a Vig claim?)... but who's the second SK? (Not malthusis, I don't think, though I'll run a question by Kinetic to double-check.)
- As for why I asked about original timeline... before he proposed his solution and I rejected it, that John that contacted me mentioned something along the lines of the original timeline causing the most damage to the timeline. What the hell this means, I have no idea. I thought nothing of it at the beginning... but after chamber and malthusis both claimed that they thought they were the original Stephen/Joe and mipe was referenced as the original John I'm starting to reconsider that.
It's also a point against mipe being the John that contacted me... unless he was just too addled to remember that he was the original John (can't rule that out).
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Players:
Chamber: probably town. He's claimed an investigative role and his play today looks strongly pro-town. UK dying would be a point against him... except that UK softclaimed a power role yesterday, so it's entirely possible (if not probable) that the scum picked up on that and killed her for it. Moreover, chamber's defense today looks like town defense to me.
Konowa: Leaning scum. He pushed a Cobalt wagon early D1, but when I pushed it seriously later, he made the following comment:
Konowa wrote:Tar, can you expand on your read on Cobalt? I am not seeing it right now. Also, I think that Boxman should not claim yet. I say this because while some of the things he has said do not sit well with me, mipe is more likely to be scum at the moment, in my opinion, and I would rather run him up.
Konowa, why the flip from "Join the Cobalt wagon, I have treats" to not seeing my Cobalt read? I don't see any clear reason for it, and it reeks of scum distancing early.
Main point I see against Konowa being scum is that he consistently pushed mipe over several other wagons (especially Boxman) and that he's been asking questions. If we're dealing with a two-man Mafia, that's easy to explain; alternately, Konowa could have (correctly) believed that mipe was an SK, or that he wouldn't be called on pushing a mipe lynch if he was town.
Sajin: Neutra. His post at the beginning of the day is highly questionable ("
Sucks
Rocks for Us!") and a LOT of his content has been somewhat off-topic (IIoA, albeit a weak version). On the other hand, he DID push cases (mainly mipe); while he didn't actually vote Cobalt, from the way he was questioning I suspect that Sajin would have joined the wagon if not for the mipe wagon intervening.
Biggest thing nagging at me (yes, the little nagging voice) is that Sajin doesn't feel as aggressive and proactive as he usually does as town (I've modded town-Sajin a few times)... but the little nagging voice is also telling me he's likely town based on his questioning. I should probably total read to double-check if I get a chance (what with time constraints and site problems).
At the moment: If we're lynching a future Stephen, I think Konowa's our best shot. I'll look over non-Stephens (mainly JVW/Boxman) when I get a chance.
Konowa, Sajin: Who do you think is scum right now, and why?
Unvote, Vote: Konowa
Weak FoS: Sajin
srsly.