Open 193 - Friends and Enemies: It's over!

[VP Baltar]

VPB, why does me voting PCE mean I have to think Char is town?

I assumed you operated under the premise of wanting to lynch scum, Mr. Philosophical. Nice question dodge though.

And, I think out of anyone on the charlatan wagon, you're most likely to be scum. But I actually think the charlatan wagon is town-driven. Which is why scum won't get on the wagon.

Yes, you're right, scum typically avoid getting a mislynch. This quote is also implying that you think the people on the PCE wagon are scummier....so I guess you think that the scum would rather try and bus their buddy (in your eyes) than to get a mislynch on charlatan.

He forgot that he followed VPB to attack me when he says that VPB's points against me are weak.

His whole stance against me is to his own admission, weak. But he keeps his vote on me for another dozen posts, which is ridiculous.

He later claims it to be a pressure vote to get a better read on me. Which makes sense, because he never had a real reason to attack me. But later on, he says I'm his top suspect. Facepalm.

Wow, so you are now claiming credit for my argument that you said was bunk earlier. GJ champ.

[VP Baltar]

And, I think out of anyone on the charlatan wagon, you're most likely to be scum. But I actually think the charlatan wagon is town-driven. Which is why scum won't get on the wagon.

So in your eyes it is more likely that scum are bussing (since you think PCE is scum) than getting a mislynch on charlatan? If it's town driven, I'd think that the scum would be eager to hammer it through and then attack those driving townies tomorrow.

VPB, why does me voting PCE mean I have to think Char is town?

Sorry, I was under the pretense that you were trying to lynch scum. If you think Char is scum, then why would you slow his wagon down by not voting him. Nice question dodge though.

He forgot that he followed VPB to attack me when he says that VPB's points against me are weak.

His whole stance against me is to his own admission, weak. But he keeps his vote on me for another dozen posts, which is ridiculous.

He later claims it to be a pressure vote to get a better read on me. Which makes sense, because he never had a real reason to attack me. But later on, he says I'm his top suspect. Facepalm.

So you steal my point and claim it as your own after you called all my arguments bunk earlier. GJ champ.

[VP Baltar]

F U MS.

[xRECKONERx]

So in your eyes it is more likely that scum are bussing (since you think PCE is scum) than getting a mislynch on charlatan? If it's town driven, I'd think that the scum would be eager to hammer it through and then attack those driving townies tomorrow.

I think:

Why isn't charlatan going for PCE?

Why isn't PCE going for charlatan?

Cause they're scumbuddies?

[VP Baltar]

The only time I've ever made an argument that both wagons were on scum was when I have been scum.

[xRECKONERx]

Cool story bro

[xRECKONERx]

As expected. Later, kiddos.

Also, this seems to indicate that I was at least HALF-right: charlatan is scum. PCE is up in the air.

[Amished]

If you think (or know, now, apparently) that Char is scum; I'd really like to see your argument for how the two of them are connected.

[xRECKONERx]

They're not. They have little to no interaction thus far, which is actually quite telling. Seen many games (including the last one I modded) where scum having little-or-no interaction D1 has lead to scum connections.

As far as I'm concerned, I had them both pegged as probable scum. I would've preferred a PCE lynch, but a lynch on charalatan-scum is just as well.

[Head_Honcho]

And as the day fell silent, one lay dead.

End of day votecount:

charlatan(7): SerialClergyman, Zorblag, VP Baltar, Amished, Vi, Rampage, xRECKONERx

xRECKONERx(2): Debonair Danny DiPietro, charlatan
PorkchopExpress(2):Sando, Ojanen
Sando(1): PorkchopExpress

charlatan

has been lynched. He was a

Vanilla Townie

It is now night 1, please get any night actions to me within 72 hours.

[Head_Honcho]

As you gather for the next day's happenings, you notice your numbers have reduced one more.

Amished - vanilla townie

is found mostly on fire.

With 10 alive it's 6 to lynch.

[Vi]

Vote: Sando

(L-5)

Most sketchy stance about the charlatan wagon, especially considering the third quote below.

In general I think he's being defensive while throwing in token scumhunting that strikes me as poorly thought at and reasoned. Charlatan is obviously intelligent and well reasoned, his cases/attacks don't strike me as intelligent and well reasoned, only his defences.

Unvote, Vote: Charlatan

(L-2)

More than happy to swap onto PCE.

Unvote, Vote: PCE

(L-4)

Charlatan: I'm not sure what you mean by that's more likely for another person? My problem with you is that parts of your posts are intelligent, well articulated and clearly well thought out, other parts aren't in my opinion. I think the fact that the difference falls along fairly clearly defined lines makes me extremely suspicious of your motives.

I agree with you that he made bad arguments. If you ask me, this is more a question of skill than alignment however.

This is rubbish.

No it's not.

VPB, why does me voting PCE mean I have to think Char is town?

Plus I still don't like his reasoning for joining the PCE wagon. ("random vote" blather plus the below)

@SC: It's been made clear that you haven't stated that Sando is town this game, but what is your read on him?

This is pretty funny, people like VPB are getting upset at Serial for saying I was town (which he didn't) and now you want to force him to say it.

[Ojanen]

Serial, what do you think about VP at this point? What is the reason you switched off of him D1?
Vi, you implied earlier you thought the PCE wagon was scumdriven. Do you retain this belief, why/why not?
PCE, you've given me no reason so far to not continue to

vote: PCE

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Vote: xRECKONERx

Thought it was a good lynch yesterday, given flips still looks like a good lynch today. I do like Vi's arguments about Sando and the tone of Sando's quotes just reads as off to me and that's probably my second choice right now.

[Amished]

Bah.

[xRECKONERx]

I need to update my scumlist in light of the flips. Vi makes excellent points about Sando, but not much has changed regarding my stance on Porkchop from yesterday. Not sure I like three votes being played coming right out of the gate on D2, so I'm gonna hold off on voting quite yet until I have more time to feel out each player.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I was right about charlatan. I obviously don't have the time to wait an extra month on a mod who refuses to provide a deadline, so I voted him out since Vi-Amished-VP-SC-Zorblag were so damn stubborn about it.

[Vi]

Vi, you implied earlier you thought the PCE wagon was scumdriven. Do you retain this belief, why/why not?

In the sense that more people I'm leaning scum on were on that wagon versus the charlatan wagon in spite of the charlatan wagon being almost twice its size, yes.

Not sure I like three votes being played coming right out of the gate on D2, so I'm gonna hold off on voting quite yet until I have more time to feel out each player.

Your caution is unwarranted. Vote.

@ABR: So what now?

[Vi]

Also

@mod: Update the thread title plz

[Albert B. Rampage]

So now you give me credit, boss.

[Vi]

So now you give me credit, boss.

You called charlatan correctly. I'm not particularly upset over how you shifted the focus back to charlatan, either.

My questions are - When did charlatan become a Town read to you?
Is the Express of Chopped Pork still a scumread?

[Head_Honcho]

The boo hoo two week day votecount:

Sando(1): Vi
PorkchopExpress(1): Ojanen
xRECKONERx(1): Debonair Danny DiPietro

Not Voting(7): Zorblag, Albert B. Rampage, SerialClergyman, Sando, VP Baltar, xRECKONERx, PorkchopExpress
With 10 alive it's 6 to lynch.

I hope we're still young when this one ends

[xRECKONERx]

@Vi: Fine.

I

vote: PCE

for now, with a giant muthafuckin'

FoS: Sando

.

[Albert B. Rampage]

So now you give me credit, boss.

You called charlatan correctly. I'm not particularly upset over how you shifted the focus back to charlatan, either.

My questions are - When did charlatan become a Town read to you?
Is the Express of Chopped Pork still a scumread?

Thank you for trying to put words in my mouth, but I never said I had a town read. I said the arguments against him being scummy were weak. They were.

SC's case was the best of the worse. Yours was the worse.

PCE was a better lynch than charlatan. We can't afford to lose PCE if he is town, so we have to be convinced he is scum to lynch him. I'm not convinced.

Vote DDD

[xRECKONERx]

We can't afford to lose PCE if he is town

So, you think DDD is scum, and PCE is not? Do you "do" scumlists? Cuz I'd love to see an ABR scumlist.