Open 202 - Friends JK 9 (Game Over)

[semioldguy]

The game I was in with him did not have a wagon build up early, though did have several people mention suspicion of him and a willingness to vote/wagon him, myself included if I recall correctly. That game is here: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11252.

During that game I read some of his previous games (when the search function was working to find all posts by XXX player) and he was regularly suspected in the games I read. So I don't have other links.

[semioldguy]

EBWOP:
You'll have to remove that period at the end of the link

[don_johnson]

my knowledge of lowell is that he lurks. fatally so. i've read him lynched as doctor. i have yet to read a game of his where he participates a good deal and responds to pressure. he's a good candidate for policy lynch, however, i have yet to see a policy lynch on this site hit scum. so...

[Wdjat]

Sorry for what i said. I had no idea what i was talking about. So can we just start over. Thank you

Yeah, that's not how mafia works. You've got two posts below yours saying you don't make sense and one post just above. Explain the reasoning behind your conclusion that had everyone confused, even if you think it's bad now. You can tell us why you decided your reasoning was bad while you're at it.

[Wdjat]

ok i've got an avatar so unvote me please.

Why so worried about having a vote on you?

side note: mafiascum needs a smiley that's suspiciously raising an eyebrow or something.

[Wdjat]

Between don_johnson and semioldguy's posts, I am just so thrilled about playing with Lowell.* Given that dude's got a history of looking scummy, I don't think he's the right lynch today. But his meta definitely sounds like someone who can be scum and try to brush his scummy behavior off as Lowell being Lowell.


*Sarcasm, y'all.

[Meji Fan]

nessarae56 has asked for replacement, am trying to get one

[Lowell]

I can't tell if wdjat is buttering me up for a lynch or to protect me from a lynch. Either way it's scummy.

unvote, vote wdjat

[Sleepless Assassin]

Between don_johnson and semioldguy's posts, I am just so thrilled about playing with Lowell.* Given that dude's got a history of looking scummy, I don't think he's the right lynch today. But his meta definitely sounds like someone who can be scum and try to brush his scummy behavior off as Lowell being Lowell.


*Sarcasm, y'all.

So because he plays scummy, he can't be scum? That's just giving him a free pass to endgame because obviously scum won't kill him if he's scummy.

[Dry-fit]

Sleepless Assassin has the right idea. We should examine Lowell's play to decide whether he should be lynched.

@Semioldguy: What do you think of nessarae56?

[Meji Fan]

ConfidAnon replaces nessarae56! Thanks ConfidAnon

[ConfidAnon]

Hi. I'm confirming my replacement.

Not much for me to comment on except for my predecessor being fairly . . . incoherent? I guess that's a good word for it.

Unvote

[TDC]

During that game I read some of his previous games (when the search function was working to find all posts by XXX player) and he was regularly suspected in the games I read. So I don't have other links.

Meh, there's a difference between "generally suspected a bit" and an easy lynch.

he's a good candidate for policy lynch, however, i have yet to see a policy lynch on this site hit scum. so...

Also, this game is too small to play around with policy lynches.

But his meta definitely sounds like someone who can be scum and try to brush his scummy behavior off as Lowell being Lowell.

So? Do you want to lynch him tomorrow if he plays to his meta? If he doesn't?

[semioldguy]

@Semioldguy: What do you think of nessarae56?

Likely a younger female. Someone who put herself into an unfavorable spot and can't live up to it. I'm thinking slightly more likely town as an "oops, I messed up and don't want to deal with my screw up" sort mindframe. Though it wouldn't be unreasonable as scum, I think if that were the case she would have stayed at least a little bit longer to attempt defending herself.

We should look elsewhere for scum for now.

Unvote; Vote: Wdjat

Here would be a good place to start. Lowell and Sleepless Assassin make good points.

The initial Lowell conversation arose because I thought it might have been possible for TDC to have placed his vote on Lowell knowing that it might be easy to get votes in a game that appeared to have a lot of newer players (or accounts at least).

I don't think Lowell is a bad player.

[Wdjat]

Between don_johnson and semioldguy's posts, I am just so thrilled about playing with Lowell.* Given that dude's got a history of looking scummy, I don't think he's the right lynch today. But his meta definitely sounds like someone who can be scum and try to brush his scummy behavior off as Lowell being Lowell.


*Sarcasm, y'all.

So because he plays scummy, he can't be scum? That's just giving him a free pass to endgame because obviously scum won't kill him if he's scummy.

Dude you are just making shit up when you read my post. People with a history of looking scummy are bad day one lynches. When they look scummy it means less. We can lynch him tomorrow if there's more to back it up, but he's not the right lynch today.

[Wdjat]

But his meta definitely sounds like someone who can be scum and try to brush his scummy behavior off as Lowell being Lowell.

So? Do you want to lynch him tomorrow if he plays to his meta? If he doesn't?

Give him a day. don_johnson says he lurks, so let's try to prevent that.

Lowell, what do you think of the nessarae56 situation?

[Wdjat]

The initial Lowell conversation arose because I thought it might have been possible for TDC to have placed his vote on Lowell knowing that it might be easy to get votes in a game that appeared to have a lot of newer players (or accounts at least).

I don't think Lowell is a bad player.

So when you mentioned that Lowell would come under suspicion that had more to do with everyone else in the thread than it had to do with Lowell?

[semioldguy]

I'd argue there is not yet enough information to know whether or not Lowell is the right or wrong lynch today. (I'd currently argue against it because he isn't the most scummy player anyway) There is much still to be gleaned.

Additionally, there are plenty of times when players with a history of looking scummy can still be a good day one lynch. Ignoring a player for the possibility of the lynch is rarely advisable. To the uniformed majority, everyone is a suspect to us on some level.

[semioldguy]

So when you mentioned that Lowell would come under suspicion that had more to do with everyone else in the thread than it had to do with Lowell?

It specifically had to do with TDC, not everyone else.

[don_johnson]

post 63 seems to imply that TDC is scummy, but semi votes wdjat. why?

also, what are the "good points" raised by lowell and SA?

[Meji Fan]

Vote Count

Dry-fit 1 - TDC
TDC 0
don_johnson 0
ConfidAnon 2 - Sleepless Assassin Dry-Fit
SerRose 1 - wdjat
semioldguy 1 - don_johnson
Sleepless Assassin 0
Wdjat 2 - Lowell Semioldguy
Lowell 0

Not voting: ConfidAnon, SerRose

[SerRose]

when will the vote end? once everyone voted?

[semioldguy]

post 63 seems to imply that TDC is scummy, but semi votes wdjat. why?

also, what are the "good points" raised by lowell and SA?

I am not implying that TDC is scummy in that post. I saw it as a possible avenue previously, but feel that TDC is genuine in his opinions toward Lowell and the vote was not intended as sneaky or malicious.

I will not imply that someone is scummy if I find them to be scummy. I will come forward and specifically state that they are scummy.

The "good points" can be found in the two posts, 57 and 58, prior to mine. The posts aren't particularly long and pretty straightforward, a combined 50 words and 4 sentences between the two posts. I don't know why it would be difficult to discern what I thought were good points.

[semioldguy]

when will the vote end? once everyone voted?

Please refer to the game rules found in "Post subject: 1" of the thread posted by our lovely moderator.

[ConfidAnon]

Is anybody out there?????????????