Mini 894: Vortex (Game, Set, Match)

[malthusis]

I will be extremely V/LA from Feb 12-19

I will try to sum up my thoughts tomorrow in a good-sized post.

[RayFrost]

dead game is dead ~.~

mod: prods towards any players, please?

[RayFrost]

More specifically, mod, will you please prod the following players?

Konowa
Tarhalindur
Boxman
DragonsofSummer

[DragonsofSummer]

I'm here, I don't need a prod. Does anyone else think that the Lost status might be a scum thing? Since it has happened to two players now I don't think it can be a coincidence, but I don't know what it really means either.

[Tarhalindur]

No need to prod, I was just away today (snow day).

On lost status - I doubt it's scumbased at the moment... at most one of JVW/Sajin was scum (otherwise the game *should* be over, unless that poisoning kill is actually a second SK). If it was related to the scum kill, I'd guess that chamber would have been the one effective (kill method that didn't show up N2 is the one that killed Cobalt N1, so I'm guessing that the hidden kill method is poisoning... besides, why would scum kill Sajin? He was either scum himself or a very likely mislynch.), and the possibility of a "no reveal while 1 Mafioso left" mechanic can be discounted given that chamber flipped normally.

Note: While I suspect that one of {JVW, Sajin} was scum, we can't be sure about that. Worst case scenario would mean that today is LyLo... massclaim may be in order. Thoughts?

Players: From where I'm sitting, our scum have to be somewhere in {Konowa, RayFrost, Boxman} (not DoS, I don't think, and almost certainly not malthusis). Let me get a reread on those three.

[RayFrost]

Well, boxman didn't talk at all in our mason QT last night.

[Kinetic]

Day 3, Vote Count 1 (Fourteenth)

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malthusis

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Boxman

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Konowa

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RayFrost

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Tarhalindur

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DragonsofSummer

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Currently there are $#%$%# votes in play, this means it will require 4 to lynch.
Currently there are $%$#%@ players alive.

Deadline, March 4, 2010 (End of the Day EST).

Extension Votes

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5 Votes required for extension.

[Konowa]

Snow has completely thrown me off schedule this week. Re-reading and refreshing.

[Tarhalindur]

Looking over Boxman/Konowa/RayFrost:

Boxman:

Points towards being town: Cobalt was the third vote on his D1 wagon. That's pretty much it AFAICT.

Points towards being scum: NO scumhunting (seriously, take a look at his play, it's nearly as bad as JVW's play) for the entire play; he's largely lurked through the game, and what he has posted has consisted mostly of summaries of known setup information. Then there's his "Hm. Two Garys. It's be hilarious if Cobalt killed UK, but whatever. " line from the beginning of D2, and the fact that he immediately concluded that the person referred to in my flavor must have been mipe (would be absolutely DAMNING if we somehow prove that there is a time-traveling John in the Mafia, as it is it's merely highly questionable). Also, he's one of the neighbors... I'm leaning towards one of them being scum based on the numbers (especially if either JVW or Sajin was scum-John).

Minor flavor point against Boxman being scum: Past-Mary and future-John on the same scumteam? That seems kinda odd... then again, it's a Kinetic game, and it would be hilarious.

Konowa:

Points towards being town: Some of Konowa's questioning D1 looks pro-town to me (especially re: UK). Some signs of scumhunting, especially D1 (mipe) and early D2 (Boxman).

Points towards being scum: Voted Cobalt in random stage then said he didn't see the reasoning for my Cobalt vote later D1 (major distancing tell). Showed a drop in activity after the SK was lynched (could indicate that Konowa was specifically SK-hunting D1, a major scumtell, though this is by no means the only possible reason).

Side notes: I'm starting to get really annoyed with the no-reveal on JVW and especially Sajin - knowing the latter's flip in particular would HUGELY affect my read on Konowa (both by knowing whether he was actually a Stephen and what his alignment was).

RayFrost:

Points towards being town: Cobalt's D1 push on RayFrost reads as deflection, defense during Cobalt D1 attack reads town, clear scumhunting after D1 (starting with the reread post D2).

Points toward being scum: No clear signs of scumhunting D1. Is the other Neighbor, and his apparent attack on Boxman today could be due to him wanting to get a vulnerable townie lynched to win (though that would require two living scum, which seems unlikely given how scummy JVW and Sajin were).

Side note: Cobalt flipping scum means his third vote on the Cobalt wagon D1 is a null tell, not a scum tell.

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Conclusions:
- Boxman is very, very likely scum and needs to die today.
- If Boxman is, somehow, not the last scum, I'd guess Konowa is instead... he's the last claimed Stephen, and his play hasn't been particularly pro-town.
- RayFrost is probably town; he's been proactive and generally a solid scumhunter.

Vote: RayFrost

[RayFrost]

I call bullshit on your vote because you are voting somebody you claim to be prob town.

Can you sort out how the fook that makes any sense?

[Tarhalindur]

I call bullshit on your vote because you are voting somebody you claim to be prob town.

Can you sort out how the fook that makes any sense?

... Yeah, I accidentally typed RayFrost instead of Boxman, forgot to preview my post and was busy doing something else for an hour.

Let's fix that, shall we?

Unvote, Vote: Boxman

[RayFrost]

btw, how does me being an unconfirmed neighbor lead to marks on me-scum?

[Tarhalindur]

btw, how does me being an unconfirmed neighbor lead to marks on me-scum?

1) Because I consider neighborhoods slightly more likely to include scum than random groups of players of a size equal to the neighborhood's size.
2) Because my setup paranoia is arguing that there's a Mafioso in the neighbors.

It's not a strong scumtell, but I consider it a scumtell nonetheless.

[Konowa]

Short post is short.

JVW being lynched and Sajin dying last night and game not ending re-affirms my belief that Boxman is likely the last scum.

vote Boxman

@Boxman: Who is scum?

[RayFrost]

Boxman is inactive.

He's definitely not the last scum.

[Kinetic]

Boxman is being prodded/replaced at this time.

All other players are fine.

[Kinetic]

[[[ Fetch; Subjects "Vortex" ]]]

[[[ Load Failsafe program GLaDOS ]]]

[[[ Search "Boxman", replace each; "GLaDOS" ]]]

[[[ Initiate program GLaDOS ]]

[[[ End Loop; Save all changes to "Vortex" ]]]

GLaDOS replaces Boxman.

[GLaDOS]

... Processing ...

Hello. I am replacing Boxman. I am currently processing the game (I am currently on Page 11), and I will confirm the following:

I am indeed a Town Mason with "Joe." My role PM does not specify whether "Joe" is Town, but I have just sent the Mod a question on that point (though I suspect the Mod will not confirm either way, based on the fact that Boxman claimed to be a Neighbor). My role PM does not mention whether there can be multiple Mary's or multiple Joe's (like malthusis has claimed about John's), but I have also sent the Mod a question on that point. My role mentions nothing about being a "Time Traveler" if that is of relevance.

[RayFrost]

GLaDOS!

awesome.

unvote

to give yah time to catch up.

[GLaDOS]

... Processing ...

I have also requested of the Mod whether I am allowed to reference the conversations that Joe and I have had in our secret place. I will not make any such references without a thumbs-up from the Mod.

[RayFrost]

I've referenced them.

Think the rules only prohibit direct quoting.

[GLaDOS]

... Processing ...

Answers from Mod (not quoted):

1.)

I do not know whether Joe (RayFrost) is Town.

2.)

I have no reason to believe there are other Mary's or other Joe's (or why this could even be the case).

3.)

I can indeed reference, but not quote, conversations from the secret place.

Concerning those conversations:

I'm Joe, theoretical physicist, and unconfirmed masons with boxman, who is mary.

In pre-game, I pretended to not know we were unconfirmed and asked boxman if we were or weren't (figuring scum would be more likely to lie and say we were confirmed), and boxman said that his role PM didn't say.

When I asked him about his play yesterday, he just said he didn't have a plan for the day...

I'm not really sure about my boxman read atm.

This is indeed the gist of the conversations in the secret place.

[RayFrost]

And then box didn't say anything last night.

at all.

[GLaDOS]

... Processing ...

Confirm: last night apparently occurred between February 6 and February 10, during which time neither Boxman

nor

RayFrost said anything in the secret place.

Not sure if you trying another "test" there; you of all people should know that I obviously can see and have read what is contained in the secret place.

[RayFrost]

Not testing you at all.

Though I did say something last night, it wasn't of much value.