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I have a few spare moments, so I will elaborate on my last post.
Concerning Konowa's Hider claim, the assertion that those who target Konowa instead target the "Host" (whoever is being hidden behind) has multiple theoretical problems, including:
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a.)
Investigative roles would be completely misled with their results. As should be obvious, this is an excellent claim for scum who know they will have a guilty result on themselves, as one would have the response of "you didn't investigate
me
, you investigated the person I hid behind."
--> --> (i) Corollary: It is also rather absurd for any investigatory role to end up investigating themselves without even knowing it.
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b.)
If there is a protective role, then there is a possibility of an "invincibility circle" if the Doctor targets the Hider and the Hider hides behind the Doctor.
Independent of those concerns, it is also disturbing that: (i) there are no repurcussions for hiding behind scum, and (ii) that Konowa is claiming to be a Survivor.
I am at the point in thinking that even
if
you are telling the truth, we are well-off lynching you for the following reasons:
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a.)
If you are a Hider, then your existence increases the chances of having an extra death on Night Three (this also applies to Tarhalindur);
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b.)
If you are a Survivor, then you have no reason to help the Town if we were in a more critical LyLo situation -- for example, if there were three people alive (1 Scum, 1 Town, 1 Survivor) then you have no incentive to withhold your vote or to vote with the Town.
Concerning Tarhalindur's Hider claim, I am unconvinced that it makes sense to have one who targets the "Host" also target the Hider. This has similar problems as above, including:
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a.)
A Cop (or Tracker, Watcher, etc.) would receive two results. This is problematic no matter what way you look at it:
--> --> (i) A Cop could get "guilty / innocent" for example and thereby determine two alignments in one fell swoop. This seems problematic if the Investigator does not why (or who) the second result comes from.
--> --> (ii) If it were made clear to a Cop that one of the two results was on Tarhalindur, it would be a way to confirm Tarhalindur's ability while also investigating him.
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b.)
There is a large problem with what happens if a Role-Blocker targets the Host. Would this, in turn, block Tarhalindur after he has already hid behind the Host? Necessarily the action should "pass through" the Host onto Tarhalindur, but that could only happen if Tarhalindur were not role-blocked. Ironically, this is a paradoxical situation created by timing.
I think it is very clear that
at least
one of the claimed Hiders is scum, not only because of the above problems, but because of the ridiculous situations that arise with multiple Hiders, and especially Hiders with different claimed abilities. I do not want to belabor the point, but:
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a.)
Tarhalindur hides behind Konowa, and Konowa hides behind Tarhalindur. This could either result in an "invincibility circle," or alternatively, Tarhalindur would hide behind Konowa and be "transferred" to Hide behind himself.
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b.)
Tarhalindur hides behind A, and Konowa hides behind Tarhalindur. A is then targeted for a kill. This then kills Tarhalindur, which would then kill Konowa.
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c.)
Tarhalindur hides behind A, and Konowa hides behind Tarhalindur. Tarhalindur is then targeted for a kill. It is not even clear whether Konowa would die in such a situation. Regardless, Konowa's death might not even be dependent on whether the person he actually hid behind was the nightkill target.
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I still am in favor of a mass-claim before lynching anybody.
