Open 208 - Fire & Ice Mafia >Over!<
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DTMaster Mafia Scum
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DTMaster Mafia Scum
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But the government continually violates the charter on the daily basis from industry or police work.
Like child pornography. If people are discovered to have it, they can be prosecuted. In a case of murders, we should have the right to investigate each room to catch the criminal, as practiced in Canada
Shut up. Stop poking holes in my flavour. Maybe I'm with the bad guys, huh? HUH?! EVER THINK OF THAT, PUNK?!
No. I didn't think so.-
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DTMaster Mafia Scum
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ICEninja Mafia Scum
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That wasn't generating discussion nor was it asking trivia questions. I did that so I could figure out who would be posting in the middle of the night, and not respond to something critical at say, 8 PM on a Thursday my time when people are likely to check posts. The question had nothing to do with discussion, and was more for my personal note to reference when waiting for someone specific to post.DT wrote: @Ice
@Timezone discussion
You sir fail at discussion stimulation. It's like asking trivia questions: You are contributing, but not contributing anything of substance which rubs me the wrong way.
And then 8 posts in a row? Really? That is not at all necessary.Town: 14 wins, 14 losses
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Mindgamer Goon
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Ok then.DTMaster
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I had the pleasure to mod pwnman. He is very anti-town newbie, but gut instinct says I need more time to get a better read. You should also look at join dates.
I find the Pwnman bandwagon very interesting btw. I want everyone who seriously thinks they have already found scum in Pwnman to raise their hands now.
*doesn't raise hand*-
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SaintKerrigan Brings Out The Flavour
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@ DTMaster: As I have already explained multiple times, Pwnman stated that his argument for voting Mindgamer was the same as mine. However, that was proven false because my argument's conclusion was that Mindgamer was Ice Mafia specifically, while Pwnman stated that Mindgamer could be either Fire or Ice Mafia. Ergo, he was just using my argument as an excuse to vote for Mindgamer without actually agreeing with it, and that, in my mind, is scummy.
I'm content with leaving my vote on him for now.
Also, lulz on the flavor, mod.ALMOST ALWAYS BUSY 9-6 CST WEEKDAYS-
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Crazy Mafia Scum
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You don't understand what I'm talking about. That's not what I'm saying at all; for instance, I wouldn't be able to tell you whether I think pwnman is Fire or Ice Mafia; there's no distinguishable thing between them at this point.DTMaster wrote:The fact that crazy says you must specificity scum factions is retardly naive and dumb. As town, you don't specify likely scum factions untill you have scum flips. You do however, specifiy scum links between people as potential partners.
SK voted Mindgamer because Mindgamer called ICE a Fire Mafia, and SK saw that as a slip (as in, because Mindgamer is an Ice Mafia himself). After SK voted Mindgamer, pwnman also voted Mindgamer "for his first post."
When pwnman was questioned, he said he also saw it as a slip. When I questioned him again, he said he thought Mindgamer was either Ice Mafia or Fire Mafia. That shows he never understood what the heck this "slip" even was, yet he still voted! Tell me, why would a towniedo that?!-
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Crazy Mafia Scum
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On that logic, you should be at least as suspicious of pwnman as you are of SK, if not more. Are you?Deer wrote:The thing is, I think it's stupid to even suggest that mindgamer is fire/ice mafia based on a blatantly obvious joke. I find SK pretty scummy for insinuating that in the first place, along with the piggybacking thing DT and I (kind of) brought up.-
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DTMaster Mafia Scum
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@ICE
1. Um, you should operate that people have lives and people live across the world. If it will help you so much, I'm MST and on the same time as the mod.
I rather use this to determine the level of active lurking:
http://www.msutils.net/search.php
since the post search is down.
A present, for everyone!
2. I really like how you dislike my little side exchange with the mod and my excessive posts, but you don't actually read my posts after you ask for my thoughts. Ice likes to skirt around details.
@SK
Um, did you not read my posts. I showed how youspecificallymirror what Scott says. I also find it funny how you can determine if Mind was ice.If anything it should be you who is scummy because only fire scum can make that distinction. This is beyond RVS reasoning, and now you seem to stress this point very seriously.
@Crazy
Tell me, how is town supposed to make the distinction from ice/fire mafia in 3 pages, no night kills, day start game? Town is not concerned in making distinctions between Ice/Fire slips, town is only determined in finding scum slips in general of either factions.
What's troubling isno one seem to caught on that SK focused specifically on Mindgamer for an Ice slip, and Crazy is joining in on the pwnwagon for not saying Mind is Ice scum, rather pwn finds Mindgamer scummy.
It makes me think that both Crazy and SK are scum together. If they are so focused on this "ice scum hunting", it makes look like fire scum hunting for the other faction.-
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Tl;DR
@SK/Crazy seem to tunnel heavily on pwnman for "icey reasons", which makes me think they are scum actively are more intrested in ice scum hunting, rather then just scum hunting, In this game where cross kills cannot happen, there are stronger reasons for either scum factions to tunnel for their rival.
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Doesn't want to analyze my post. I'm starting to dislike him even more now because he chose to ignore me, given that he asked for my thoughts. Looks like scum coasting.-
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XScorpion Mafia Scum
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Scott Brosius Mafia Scum
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Epic fail. 2 votes is NOT a bandwagon in a 12 person game. Hell it isn't a bandwagon in a 7 person gameXScorpion wrote:
Because pwnman was joining the wagon, not starting it.dtmaster wrote:Interesting, why is Saint Kerrigan's post more valid then pwnmans? Why is pwnman's wagon vote scummy?
Also the nice OMGUS vote gives me good reason to leave my vote right where it is.ShowMafia RULES!!!!
As Mafia- 1-0
As Town- 1-2
As 3rd Party- 0-0
May have LA until March-
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Crazy Mafia Scum
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The original idea that SK had about the slip was that Mindgamer was Ice Mafia because Mindgamer said ICE was obv-Fire Mafia, and that sounds like a scum-slip for Mindgamer (as in, he knew ICE wasn't Ice Mafia.) I never bought into that, but that's not the point.DTM wrote:@Crazy
Tell me, how is town supposed to make the distinction from ice/fire mafia in 3 pages, no night kills, day start game? Town is not concerned in making distinctions between Ice/Fire slips, town is only determined in finding scum slips in general of either factions.
These were the options:DTM wrote:What's troubling is no one seem to caught on that SK focused specifically on Mindgamer for an Ice slip, and Crazy is joining in on the pwnwagon for not saying Mind is Ice scum, rather pwn finds Mindgamer scummy.
A. Mindgamer is town, and the post was a joke.
B. Mindgamer is Ice Mafia, and the post was a joke.
C. Mindgamer is Fire Mafia, and the post was a joke.
D. Mindgamer is Ice Mafia, and the post was a scum-slip.
Option E - "Mindgamer is Fire Mafia, and the post was a scum-slip" does not exist.
I find option D farfetched in itself; but the fact that pwnman agreed that Mindgamer made a scum-slip, and then said that Mindgamer was either Fire Mafia or Ice Mafia showed that pwnman had no idea what he was talking about, and was just piggybacking off of SK's argument while understanding nothing. That's very scummy.
So to summarize, it's not that we'd be deliberately seeking out "Ice Mafia slips;" rather, if Mindgamer were to be lynched for his "slip," it would be under the assumption that he was Ice Mafia, not "general scum." If Mindgamer is Fire Mafia, then he didn't make a slip.
In all other cases, the whole "Fire & Ice" thing doesn't matter until Day 2; Mindgamer's post was just a crazy exception. For instance, I would have no idea whether pwnman was Fire or Ice Mafia. Pwnman's actions are indicative of "general scum," whereas, if Mindgamer's post was a slip, then that would be indicative of "Ice Mafia Scum." Pwnman acknowledged Mindgamer's post as a "general scum slip," which is not possible, because only Ice Mafia could have made that slip, which shows pwnman was full of crap.
There, I've explained this all the way I know how; if you can't understand what I'm talking about now, then you need to reread the thread, because I can't help you anymore.-
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pwnman Goon
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@Crazy
1. Why would you need to explain Scott's argument to me? You and Saint are using Scott's argument and attacking pwnman. If anything: you are pwnman 2.0. doing the same thing he was.
2. How are you diffrent from pwnman hm? I outlined how you are just as guilty as he is in your "scum case" for your:
Piggy back argument, and your bandwagon argument.
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Isn't the fact that SK said Mindgamer is potential ice scum ringing red flags for you? Why would, SK, be so specific in Mindgamer's post and accuse him as ice scum.Crazy wrote:The original idea that SK had about the slip was that Mindgamer was Ice Mafia because Mindgamer said ICE was obv-Fire Mafia, and that sounds like a scum-slip for Mindgamer (as in, he knew ICE wasn't Ice Mafia.) I never bought into that, but that's not the point.
It would be more accurate to attack Mindgamer for "claiming scum", but the fact that SK said she was serious about her Mindgamer for a page 1 comment makes me think: SK is fire scum
4. Omg. I called you. Crazy and SK as fire scum. At no point did I ever mentioned that Mindgamer was fire scum. However the fact that:
You can clear Mindgamer as
is a slip in itself because only fire scum would know this. Also this post:Crazy wrote:Option E - "Mindgamer is Fire Mafia, and the post was a scum-slip" does not exist.
Just says: Mindgamer is Ice, or Fire, or Town. You are contributing thin air.Crazy wrote:A. Mindgamer is town, and the post was a joke.
B. Mindgamer is Ice Mafia, and the post was a joke.
C. Mindgamer is Fire Mafia, and the post was a joke.
D. Mindgamer is Ice Mafia, and the post was a scum-slip.
No the fact that you just cleared Mindgamer from firescum in certain scenerios isCrazy wrote: I find option D farfetched in itself; but the fact that pwnman agreed that Mindgamer made a scum-slip, and then said that Mindgamer was either Fire Mafia or Ice Mafia showed that pwnman had no idea what he was talking about, and was just piggybacking off of SK's argument while understanding nothing. That's very scummy.scummierthen pwnman's second vote on a potential wagon.
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And my quotes on how Saint Kerrigan and Crazy who used the exact same words as Scott isn't an example of the piggyback argument? I find it funny how you 4 are quite adamant on this wagon, when participants of said wagon are guilty of said scum trait.-
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DTMaster Mafia Scum
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I should add.Mindgamer wrote:I like the RVS.
Vote: ICEninja
Obviously Fire Mafia.
My timezone is UTC+1 / GMT+1.
^^ With this post that Crazy is analyzing Mindgamer. You don't clear people based on this post, you don't automatically jump to:
If he is alignment A, he is doing B.
That's over the top analysis that ends up:
He is town, or scum. He can be ice, or fire. He could be joking, or slipping.-
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XScorpion Mafia Scum
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I never said the people who are on the same wagon as me are town either. I don't mind lynching a member of one of the mafia groups with the help of the other, and it's quite possible that you and I are both right: StK and Crazy are part of one mafia, and Pwnman is in the other. The fact that Pwnman did it first though, and followed up with an OMGUS vote to boot, means I'd like him gone first, although the order doesn't REALLY matter.-
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Vote Count 1.4
pwnman (4)- XScorpion, Scott Brosius, SaintKerrigan, Crazy
ICEninja (2)- Mindgamer, Sanhora
XScorpion (2)- pwnman, DarkLightA
Sanhora (1)- Deer
Crazy (1)- DTMaster
Not Voting (2)- ICEninja, fallen angel
With twelve players alive, seven votes are required to lynch.
Deadline falls on Thursday March 18 at 16:50 UTC.I am in the bottom 10% of scumhunters onsite!-
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Crazy Mafia Scum
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@DTM and pwnman - Please explain how Mindgamer's first post could possibly be a slip from a Fire Mafia!
DTM, understanding that Mindgamer's first post COULD NOT BE a Fire Mafia slip (rather, the only possibilities are a joke or an Ice Mafia slip.) is critical to understanding the case on pwnman.
I'm trying to explain my case on pwnman; not trying to evaluate Mindgamer's alignment.DTM wrote:Just says: Mindgamer is Ice, or Fire, or Town. You are contributing thin air.
There's nothing wrong with agreeing with somebody else's case, silly. Otherwise, we'd never lynch anybody. The problem is that pwnman never understood SK's argument about Mindgamer to begin with, and still followed with his vote.DTM wrote: @Crazy
1. Why would you need to explain Scott's argument to me? You and Saint are using Scott's argument and attacking pwnman. If anything: you are pwnman 2.0. doing the same thing he was.-
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DarkLightA Mafia Scum
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Sure, it's probably a joke. That's what I was thinking.
This gives me a flashback of when I was new. A post like:
"Haha! I'm voting you as you were scum in our last game." in RVS, would be replied to by me as:
"OMG!!!! HOLY COW!!! UBER SCUM SLIP!!!!"
So basically, I'm pretty sure this wagon is just rubbish.
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