Mini 932: Let's all be friends (Over)

[SpyreX]

/confirm'ed

[SpyreX]

For the record this is just silly at this point and more than a little disconcerting.

[SpyreX]

I am experiencing mafia withdrawal

I am excited to be mafia and kill all of you and my impatience grows strong at the fact you're not allowing this to happen.

I'm scum!

Case solved. Time to lynch budja!

CHOO CHOO

Vote: Budja

[SpyreX]

I see three non-budja votes.

I am not amused.

[SpyreX]

Ohh budja, budja, budja

Is that FEAR I taste under the weight of IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE?

I mean, I've never been a part of getting you killed before so that HAS to be what it is.

[SpyreX]

So you're admitting to your OMGUS based on fear of my LYNCHING PROWESS.

We're getting somehwere.

Somewhere that has you in a rope, mr.

[SpyreX]

See HOOPLA gets it.

[SpyreX]

A better question is:

If you found something you thought was actually WORTH noting as a scum manuever, why would you leave your vote on a random?

Unvote, Vote: Sidekick

[SpyreX]

HEY.

HEY.

Eh I don't like Riddick echoing hoopla and following Spy. Sure it's only page two but a little original thought would be nice.

Following Spy is always the right answer. Come on now.

I would love a response to that though.

[SpyreX]

Yea, earlier. You make sense thus far.

[SpyreX]

Bussing your partner EH BUDJA?

Don't think I've forgotten about you.

[SpyreX]

You think I'm gonna need a case brosef?

[SpyreX]

Absolutely and 100% blatant and totally not joking at that point promise.

[SpyreX]

I'm a little sad/wroth you did that before we could see waht Sidekick said, fyi.

But, I dig:

Unvote, Vote: Bujda

[SpyreX]

Is dat sum bandwagoning I smell?

Did I say I thought it was a scum manuever?

Don't put words into my mouth.

Now, apparently you're saying that awesome first quote was in the King's English:

Is that some bandwagoning I smell?

Versus:

Is that scum bandwagoning I smell?

Otherwise I couldn't be putting words in your mouth.

OF COURSE, that raises the question of:

To be clear, it was intended as light hearted hence the purposely poor use of english.

If the answer to other questions raised is "its a joke" why did I get "don't put words in my mouth"

These are the mysteries that shape us.

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SpyreX, what's your case on Budja? It's serious? Because it looked like an early D1 joke. Point on Sidekick is weak but at least a point. Point against Budja seems like joke made from far-fetched thoughts. Why do you think you should be voting him, instead Sidekick? Just because Sotty told you to?

Cases at this point? Perish the thought.

I started out messing with Budja because while I wont use meta in play Budja and I have a history of me getting him lynched.

THEN, Sidekick did something that I wanted an answer to.

THEN, Hoopla ruined it by speaking up too soon - although he does have a decent point about the wagon.

SO, back to Budja.

[SpyreX]

YESSIR I BE TRYING REAL HARD UP INS

I can see we are going to have a long and fruitful career in this game.

Hoopla read it the same way I did. You obviously read Hoopsters "trying much harder than I have thus far".

So, whats the dealio? Why am I up to no good, specifically? Why am I trying so hard?

[SpyreX]

The town gets nowhere without people overtrying and overanalysing things early on! They're always a long-shot, but it is information to work with, and better than random voting. I'm hoping Day 1 doesn't go any longer than 200 posts - I feel that is probably optimum for a mini normal.

Ohh hoopla-chan, how I wished I had your optimism.

Dunno SpyreX, why ARE you trying so hard to see things that aren't there?

Woosh.

Why didn't you just say it was a joke and I missed the point if that was the case versus "don't put words into my mouth"?

And, sure, I can be the only one that saw scum versus some and thats all cool and the gang. That doesn't make it any more "denial of the obvious" and that doesn't alter

that a joke that easily, easily could be not a joke

isn't going to stand on the weight of "ohh snap I was joking but didn't reference it when I was asked about it"

[SpyreX]

Good lord I'm not even on about that anymore :headdesk:

I was asking, which at this point I don't even CARE about anymore, why I got "Don't put words into my mouth" in the same post as hoopla got "I was joking" versus going "I was joking" to both of us.

And I'm not even gonna get started on glancing at S U M and seeing S C U M as an easy mistake to make in a game of mafia.

THAT SAID

You know who I'd like to hear a lot more from:

vote: icemanE

[SpyreX]

Dear game,

Lurking isn't awesome. Lets, ya know, not.

[SpyreX]

Ohh Wingaling I'm liking yer style. We're gonna get along just fine.

[SpyreX]

I don't know why but Riddick's quote fight made me laugh more than it should have.

Sean's post gives me all those itchy vibes.

[SpyreX]

You mean stealth wagoning is beautiful I hope.

Because while probably not the best plan that is awesome.

[SpyreX]

I guess its just inverse tinfoil because there's soo many options a scum would have to justify a move like that that "stealth wagons" seems flat out town and awesome in comparison.

[SpyreX]

ITT we power-wagon icemanE

Hoopla, agree/disagree

[SpyreX]

How's about you educate and detail versus just tossin that out wingly.

(I'm sorry to hear about the RL stuff)

[SpyreX]

146 and 147 aren't contradictory they're collabrative fyi.

[SpyreX]

Damnit hoopla you keep ruining experiments before they can come to fruition!!!

(I was HOPING ice would come jump in on Sean but nooo)

[SpyreX]

The best was the whole thought process:

Yesterday: "Hoopla's been absent. I need him to showup so I can get a better read / see his thoughts on these competing wagons"

Earlier: "Ohh snap Hoopla's posted (someone else). I'll go check that game."

Minutes Ago: "Damnit. Damnit."

[SpyreX]

That said:

What do you think about this latest Sidekick / Riddick exchange and the ebb-flow in Sidekick's play?

[SpyreX]

Riddick oozes town (although as an aside I'm not sure if he's new versus an alt).

It was more the softballs Sidekick has been lobbing his way.

[SpyreX]

ebb-flow as in "Ohh I'm being attacked I'll talk a lot."
"Ohh I'm being bothered by one person I'll talk some."
"Ohh... welp no posting here."

[SpyreX]

THIS is what I was waiting for? Hmmmpph

6.5/10

[SpyreX]

I'm on vacation so you don't get the fat from me this week. If we haven't moved I'll shake this sucka up when I get back.

[SpyreX]

Mmmm this is beautiful.

I'd put HIGH odds on one of these two being scum from the way this is panning out.

[SpyreX]

The way these wagons are balancing against each other makes me think one of them is los scum. If there is any evidence of iceman activity on site I'd say give him the doomstick. (I don't care about the replacement).

Otherwise, I'd push for this wagon to swing.

Sidekick's feeling is tech. And ohh so surprising.

[SpyreX]

DJ AND Snow White?

Hells yea.

Don is exuding so much town it hurts right now. If this was a scum replacement kudos but I'm really, really doubting it.

Unvote

If sean is scum and we hath the tools go ahead and skip right past the discussion and put a bullet in cruelty tonight thanks in advance.

[SpyreX]

Gunsmith doesn't make sense as a newbie fakeclaim.

I'll buy it for now and would mos def be up for the sidekick lynch STILL.

[SpyreX]

What in the hell is reaction fishing?

When the time comes and I'm back in the homelands if your lynch makes sense I'll push it.

And it will happen.

So it is known.

[SpyreX]

I am a little confused by the sky is falling routine Hoopster but.

I'm a little more confused by Snow's weird letting Sidekick off the hook - when, really, I haven't seen anything that strikes me as "newbie not knowing what they're doing" versus "playing a really, really low-key game.'

The part that gets me the most is, again, the ebb and flow of the posting. When players have Betlejuice syndrome I'm a bit more apt to call shenanigans.

So, WITH OUR POWERS COMBINED:

Vote: Sidekick

EARTH

[SpyreX]

I have reason to believe Snow White's claim.

I can further explain tomorrow. Make this lynch happen.

Back later tonight.

[SpyreX]

If, of ANYONE today, I was wrong it'd be don_johnson being scum. But I doubt even that.

SW makes sense as a doc without a CC.
Gunsmith, if a lie, was inspired and will be left to play out.

Sidekick's play this page isn't tech. Lets get 'er done.

[SpyreX]

I would like das resultos

[SpyreX]

Who'd you protect?

[SpyreX]

Yea SW is town and all good.

Why did you quote my post cruelty?

[SpyreX]

I can further explain tomorrow. Make this lynch happen.

Can isn't will. With whats out the pieces add up plenty fine.

Actually

Help

Demons have my keyboard

HELP ME

Vote: Cruelty

[SpyreX]

I suppose wanted is not the same as want. I can dig.

Unvote, Vote: Budja

[SpyreX]

Nah I'm good. Unless Hoopla outmanuvered my brain he's pretty town. And, you good sir, have promised to do stuff more than you've done stuff.

So, while I wait patiently for DS to show up.

[SpyreX]

...

You bring up something that made me rethink something important.

Ready for this?

I, too, am a macho doc. Which made no sense without the existence of another protective role. SW's claming doc, and macho specifically, makes me buy it.

I'm also pretty sure that hoopla is town and decently sure about sean.

So we just cut the numbers down quite a bit. Even moreso if sean didn't do what johnny don't does and investigated SW

[SpyreX]

How'd you manage to miss my post in the 12 minutes it took to make that one??

[SpyreX]

Macho doc can't be protected. Which is why I believed SW (without another protective role my role is silly)

[SpyreX]

SW

I didn't see the crumb so I assumed NORMAL doc and well.

[SpyreX]

And, yea, of course thats part of the believing the gunsmith claim too.

So, lock on.

[SpyreX]

Chances are higher than not there are power roles.

You're either an absolute genius at being coy scum or, like it appears, a pretty much confirmed in my head vanilla town.

I like that. A lot.

Narrow the pool and watch the fishes choke on it.

[SpyreX]

Budja
WingsOWisdom
cruelty
Sotty
don_johnson

I'm positive (assuming 9:3) there are two in there. Faiirly certain we'd see all 3.

So, yea. Fish in a barrel time.

[SpyreX]

Cue:

Are you saying you disbelieve the report because Sean is scum?
Or are you saying you disbelieve the report because DJ is a Godfather?

[SpyreX]

Yes it does. Just making sure I wasn't losing my mind.

Operating under the "no Godfather" clause on that result right now I'm happy with my vote.

[SpyreX]

...

A bit early, but I'll nibble.

Does that mean its MASSCLAIM TIME.

It just might. Let me think about it.

[SpyreX]

In fact, there's a funny parallel there that I think requires MASSCLAIM TIME

P.S. I'm about 90% sure we've got a scum roleblocker or busdriver.
P.S.S. If we hit him today I'm about 85% sure we win.

Cruelty: Claim

[SpyreX]

@Hoop:

This is a good thing. If Cue had claimed a PR I'd have wanted him lynched. This helps confirm my position.

[SpyreX]

I could see shying away from Sean if you thought there was a tracker or watcher. Those would have been instant death.

I believe SW. I believe Sean. I even tend to believe Budja.
I think Hoop and Cue are town.

I think thats gonna be a wrap. I'd like the claims out before we lynch, of course.

[SpyreX]

Unvote

[SpyreX]

I GUESS godfather works ok. It just doesn't seem enough to counterbalance the coposity.

Well... hmm. Budja I want as much clarification on how your role works as possible.

[SpyreX]

380.

Really give that one a read and try to sink into the thought processes behind it. I instinctively went "vanilla town or really pro coy scum"

[SpyreX]

I wouldn't save him from the wolves but its definitely more than enough to push him to the happy side for the day.

I'm surprised you haven't asked why I'm so confident about you.

[SpyreX]

Trying to push from Sidekick to Budja. It didn't add up for me as a scum move. Now, of course you could be pulling a fast one but.

[SpyreX]

Hoopla
Wings
Sotty

That's my preferred order

[SpyreX]

I'm fine with that although I'd love the rationale.

[SpyreX]

.... What?

It's been a long day of meetings so I can't even begin to figure that one out.

[SpyreX]

Ahh so we're both thinking the same thing just going about it different ways. Gotcha.

[SpyreX]

Because... I'm not a normal doc?

I'm a macho doc.

[SpyreX]

... No, thats totally relevant.

My role either a.) is a red herring or b.) inherently means there is another protective role in the game.

SW claiming doc made me think b. Claiming macho doc directly either means this was a clever rolecop (doubtful) or she is in fact a macho doc.

[SpyreX]

431 no matter how I read it doesn't make sense.

Who's the scum?

[SpyreX]

Lets wait for Hoopla to do his bidness before I get into some serious questions.

[SpyreX]

IF, assuming all things are true, I'd bet on 3:1:8, and mos def a roleblocker.

Which means, if we don't hit the roleblocker today, of the three information roles Hoop is the lowest man on the totem pole.

Lets work this out though. I think there might be a way to break this open.

[SpyreX]

If Budja is lying there exists (probably him) a rolecop - thats the only one that makes sense.

Of course these roles are all "outside the norm"ish soo.

Lemme think about it and try to devise a plan tomorrow/Monday. Input is awesome though.

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I'm down. I'm curious to see how well it meshes up with what I have going on in my brain (and doubly curious to what you're gonna suggest for the lynch)

[SpyreX]

I agree with 99% of Hooplas plan and conclusions and they mesh with what I was rattling around.

Only difference is I'm trying to decide if its better to coordinate the night actions of Budja and Sean as well.

[SpyreX]

The new set makes sense. There's a couple scenarios that are far fetched that are going to be scum wins but I'm not going to sweat them

[SpyreX]

Cue I like your gusto. I think its ok though as it sits.

[SpyreX]

You mean you are content following hypo-FBI Agent and her hypo scum buddys Sotty and DJ as they push for a hypo-miss lynch of Cruelty based on POE when said hypo-FBI Agent isn't even clear?

I dunno bout you guys, but I don't want to invest in a RL based solely on POE determined by an unclear. I think we need more substantial discussion of why Cruelty is "scummy" before we all sheep.

We have 10 days.

Hoopla your up first. Why is Cruelty so scummy to you?

Pretty much yea.

If you think the entire scumteam marshaled together on not lylo for a mislynch well.

Especially in that case above this mislynch means we're looking at both the "real" investigative roles being town and protected.

I'm not SLAM DUNK on Hoop being town but definitely enough that I wouldn't push for it today.

[SpyreX]

Maybe its tinfoil or what have you but 485 (justly, perhaps) reads like scum busted by numbers and not play.

I've been there. Its pissed me off before.

It'd sound like that.

[SpyreX]

nah, i'm not scum. i'm just aggravated that there's a wagon building for NO reason when there's (imo) much more viable suspects.

i mean if there's a decent case on me then ok, i can vibe with that, but i feel like town is being manipulated by 1 or 2 players who are being giving a tonne more respect than they deserve (specifically hoopla, i have the vilest gut read) and i'm frustrated that there's this general apathy to just go along with whatever is suggested.

[it doesn't help that the claimed prs appear to be blindly accepting each others claims and that only one person besides me (cue) is even trying to look a little deeper]

Just because I'm not banging drums today doesn't mean I'm not looking at some of what you're talking about - the apathy is noted.

As for blindly accepting PR's - I'm not:
Sean makes sense like he did yesterday. I'm not stoked by any means by the play, but the claim makes sense.
SW connects the dots for my role. This one I am the most sure about.
Budja is a bit more iffy (maybe because I've never even HEARD of a motion detector - it sounds like it could easily be a fake rolecop) but (ohh snap WIFOM) I get a gut feeling its the truth because its so rediculous.
Hoopla, well. I have a gut town feeling. However, I'm a little surprised we didn't have evidence of the SK from last night - either both factions targeted Riddick (whaaa) or one tried to hit Sean with a claimed doc (whaaa).

Now, realistically, the question is: do I think there's a chance Budja AND Hoopla are lying? Probably not. 3 town power roles consisting of a gunsmith and a pair of doctors that cant protect each other? Wooosh.

In that case, I like the odds much better lynching from the VT pool:
Sean, again, gives good vibrations so that lends some serious weight to DJ not being scum (and I liked his replacementing D1 although D2 NOT SO MUCH GET ON IT MR J)

Depending on how Budjas ability works (if its like a weak tracker OR if it just tells IF they have a night action available) Cue may be cleared. Of COURSE its not a hard logical leap to say that Budja saw that it was pretty clear he was a VT and bought himself a day but.

So, we're looking at three (and I'll probably push for Wings but I digress).

Moreso, if there is an SK and we mislynch today the SK to have any chance of winning

has to hit scum

. As fun as it would be to try other business it has to happen. The chances of all THREE scum being lying about their PR's is flabbergasting. So, the SK will be hitting in the unconfirmed pile.

So, in case it isn't there:

Unvote, Vote: Wings

[SpyreX]

This just in! Nothing with what is issued out above alters "scum hunting" much - the only one that I would have CONSIDERED today realistically that I'm not is Budja.

[SpyreX]

I'd much rather see the ye ol fahsioned Hoopla-huntin' on the VT's honestly.

[SpyreX]

Yo Mod I think there be an issue with thine votecount

1+1 = 2, whatever next?

[SpyreX]

OHH SHI

I think I agree with..everything? Hoop has said this page.

My personal theory is Budja is a/the scum powerrole, which makes a pretty damn balanced set-up (including an SK) to me. But it isn't an optimal play now to lynch Budja based on the real evidence we have.

I keep coming back to rolecop. Of course, with the bevy of oddball power roles thus far I get itchy on that.

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The reason why I'm voting for Wings at this point is simple: Given a choice, the player that isn't PLAYING THE GAME with a PoE lynch is going to be preferred. That said, I will not even blink throwing a cruelty hammer.

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Pushing for Hoop at this juncture is moonbeams. For a bunch of reasons I'm SOO CONFIDENT in that even if I'm dead tomorrow I believe you can look at it and go "ohhh"

[SpyreX]

The plot thickens. The disparity between crueltys response and WaW's response really throws me for a loop.

[SpyreX]

I'm still mulling that around - tinfoil + numbers say that its a yin-yang to keep the ship from sinking all the way.

Of course, I always get a little paranoid when it seems like things are a slam dunk, sooo.

I really expected one of a.) rage against the machine post, b.) I'm soo sorry guys or c.) a vote for cruelty under the "its not me clause"

Not "one of the investigative roles is scum + I understand why you are lynching me"

[SpyreX]

What conclusion are you drawing? Not really a big fan of "expected a, got b... well, cya later".

I'm not sure yet. Like I've said.

Just that it was about the farthest thing I expected as a response from either alignment.

[SpyreX]

Unvote, Vote: Cruelty

Tonight is going to tell a lot. Unfortunately I absolutely expect to be the dead AND explaining the prizes to be found tomorrow I can't go into detail about but seriously there's some HUGE things to look at.

Sean needs to play the game. And SW needs to protect him.

Budja REALLY needs to step it up. Its ridiculous.

I'm not saying who I'm protecting.

Hoopla, regardless of alignment, has set forward a solid plan and the constant naysaying is really, really starting to make me paranoid. (Note: from what Budja has said, all you're cleared from is performing the kill)

More than one of these lies will come out. Mafia can't afford a lot of WIFOM because no matter whats happening the lines are tied tight enough that they will all unravel if one gets busted - and they have to stop that from happening.

[SpyreX]

Hoop I think you did a great job and I applaud taking the well-reasoned gambles - and killing me because sheeesh.

As soon as you started getting run up I had that itch it was both of you though.

DJ your end game was awesome. Cue's as well.

[SpyreX]

And cue stumbled into that perfect I am obvious town early on which helped.

And yea, there would have been no chance of me lynching DJ.

[SpyreX]

Yea, no leaving cruelty. You just got dealt some bad cards.