Mini 938: Weeds Mafia (GAME OVER)

[thatguy00]

Ok, my bad. You're quick to vote for me.

Just like Ooba, Magna twice, Mcgriddle, Sandro and 1ifiri. Granted, I'm confident two of those are RV, but you're hopping around a good amount.

[Ythan]

If you think that it's suspect then man up and say so.

[Sando]

@ Leech - What is your ideal role? Would you rather be town or scum? Explain why.

I prefer town, and my ideal role is something like Vig. Easily the most fun role I had was CPR doc which I treated as a Vig.

@ horrordude0215 - If you were at L-1 and you were a simple townie, would you claim a PR to try to save your own ass and catch actual scum instead of you? (I can go into much more detail about this but I will leave it at this for now.)

No, you're only going to get a counter-claim out of town, better to cop the lynch on the chin and hope flipping town gives information. Mislynches are a part of the game and give info.

@ The1fifi - Which is a better tell, lurking or over-defensiveness? Explain why.

Of those, over-defensiveness, I tend to think lurking needs to be 'active lurking' to be a proper tell.

@ thatguy00 - If you thought Player X was scum would you just vote them and give reasons from their previous statements, or would you ask a few questions before placing a vote? Explain why.

Depends on what I wanted to achieve and how scummy I thought they were, if I were sure of scum, I'd vote them. If not, I'd question and try to catch them out. Also depends on whether I felt the need to pressure them.

@ Ythan - Do you believe it is a good idea to policy lynch someone in 1 game because of something that happened in another? (lol) Explain why.

Not really, if you know them from one game, you're in a decent position to tell if a bad player is scum or not.

@ Sando - What do you think about people who go V/LA a lot during a game? Are they scummy for it or not? Explain why.

V/LA a lot isn't particularly scummy I feel, unless it's constantly during critical periods or during pressure periods. I think active lurking is a huge scumtell, which is similar to V/LA but requires a certain type of posting.

Who would you kill right now if you had the chance to kill someone? (ie day killing vigilante) Explain why.

A lurker, hard to get reads on, don't contribute to town, and hard to lynch. I'm a strong believer in vig'ing lurkers over most other things, especially early in the game.

I can't answer 1 of them as I've never played scum by myself in a completed game and won't comment on whether I'm scum in ongoing.

Accusing someone of active lurking 4 pages in seems pretty odd from Ythan.

[McGriddle]

Vote: Ythan

for being mean to everyone ever, and accusing my questions of being scummy. They are general questions, not really that special.

[Ythan]

I didn't accuse your questions of being scummy.

[McGriddle]

Whoops meant konowa

Unvote, Vote: Konowa

[McGriddle]

EBWODP: and he also looks like he is jumping at a quick wagon after what f1fi said. BTW f1fi don't hold a grudge on me for that other game I am not allowed to speak about lol.

[Ythan]

EBWOPs tend to be double posts, so I think ebwoDp is redundant. Also try to keep straight who you vote.

[McGriddle]

Oh please, like you're perfect T.T You called me thatguy, why don't you keep THAT straight?

[Leech]

What is your ideal role? Would you rather be town or scum? Explain why.

I prefer playing scum. If you read over the games in my Wiki, I'm normally perceived as being town, even when I am actually scum. I feel it takes more skill to blend in and redirect suspicion than it does to scumhunt.

If you were at L-1 and you were a simple townie, would you claim a PR to try to save your own ass and catch actual scum instead of you? (I can go into much more detail about this but I will leave it at this for now.)

No. This could easily result in an actual power role outing themselves to justify your hammer. If someone did that as town, then they definitely fit the bill of Village Idiot.

Are you good at playing scum or not? Explain why.

Yes, I play the same way every game town or scum. So, considering the general feeling in my games is that I'm town, I enjoy deceiving.

Which is a better tell, lurking or over-defensiveness? Explain why.

Lurking is a null tell, and over-defensiveness doesn't exist. Different people react in different ways, just because they're passionate about defending themselves doesn't mean it's a scummy response. Over-defensiveness that is out of character for that player a tell, but over-defensiveness in general is not.

How would you trap a possible scum target? (meaning you troll them or something of that sort)

I don't? I let the scum dig their own holes.

If you thought Player X was scum would you just vote them and give reasons from their previous statements, or would you ask a few questions before placing a vote? Explain why.

If I thought the player was scum, I'd vote. If I thought they were scummy, I'd dig a little deeper.

Do you believe it is a good idea to policy lynch someone in 1 game because of something that happened in another? (lol) Explain why.

Only if their actions in that one game outed them as scum.

What do you think about policy lynching? Explain why.

Depends on the policy. I do lynch all liars, millers, and jesters.

What do you think about people who go V/LA a lot during a game? Are they scummy for it or not? Explain why.

People have lives and they get busy. It's null.

What do you think about Lynch All Liars? Explain why.

If someone's in the habit of lying, it's best to lynch them. Not only are they a distraction to the town, but you actually find out the truth. You learn from confirmed truths moreso than confirmed lies.

Who would you kill right now if you had the chance to kill someone? (ie day killing vigilante) Explain why.

No one.

[Ythan]

I think I'm going to settle on

vote MagnaofIllusion

for now since he is obvscum.

[Ythan]

Yes, I play the same way every game town or scum. So, considering the general feeling in my games is that I'm town, I enjoy deceiving.

I guess we should lynch you if we have no way of telling if you're scum.

[xRECKONERx]

Conrad

: "Yo what's up... Man you comin' in real time or you comin' in black people time?.... Alright, we be here."

Nancy

: "Black people time?"

Conrad

: "Some of us like watermelons, some of us got big dicks, most of us have trouble getten' places on time."

D1 Vote Count #2

thatguy00 (2): horrordude0215, Leech
Ythan (1): MagnaofIllusion,
Leech (1): thatguy00
horrordude0215 (1): Fate
BrokenBlueprints (1): Sando
Sando (1): The1fifi
McGriddle (1): Konowa
Konowa (1): McGriddle
MagnaofIllusion (1): Ythan

Not voting (2): BrokenBlueprints, ooba

[Fate]

Nah don't settle for Magna, Thatguy was definitely the way to go.

Unvote:

Vote: Thatguy

McGriddle's questions are pointless and are as null as the answers to said questions.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Some of these questions can be informatative IMO so I'll answer them for that reasons.

What is your ideal role? Would you rather be town or scum? Explain why.

Ideal role? All roles in a Mafia game offer a different experience and require different approaches to play effectively. I'd say that the role I like best is the Serial Killer. It requires the most skill to play effectively and win and thus provides the most satisfaction in playing a good game.

If you were at L-1 and you were a simple townie, would you claim a PR to try to save your own ass and catch actual scum instead of you?

I don't think it's ever a good move for a Vanilla townie to claim a Power role. Saving your own ass isn't usually in the Town's best interests. If you can't present a convincing case to not be lynched your death might provide voting patterns and other information for the town. A Vanilla townie wins regardless of whether he is lynched as long as the town does.

Are you good at playing scum or not? Explain why.

I think I'm a good player for any role I have. Here I have no track record to judge by, but on other sites where I play I've had success playing as Town, Mafia or Serial Killer type roles.

Which is a better tell, lurking or over-defensiveness? Explain why.

Over-defensiveness is a possible tell. Lurking isn't so much a tell as a willingness to not contribute.

How would you trap a possible scum target? (meaning you troll them or something of that sort)

I play an analytical game, so I'll analyze what people so and how they vote to make my assessments. If this is 'trapping' that's how.

If you thought Player X was scum would you just vote them and give reasons from their previous statements, or would you ask a few questions before placing a vote? Explain why.

This question seems backwards in that you should be asking questions and building a case to determine who is scummy and who is not. The vote is logically the final step in that process.

Do you believe it is a good idea to policy lynch someone in 1 game because of something that happened in another?

Other than grinding a personal axe you have with Yhtan this question seems too vague. Are you asking whether a players action in one game should impact another? If so it certainly is possible. If a player has acted in a certain Meta while a Mafian and acts that way in another game then it would be certainly worth pursuing. This hardly qualifies as a policy lynch.

What do you think about policy lynching? Explain why.

Policy lynching (lynching liars, lurkers, etc) only serves a purpose if no other realistic lynch is present, which is a rarity.

What do you think about people who go V/LA a lot during a game? Are they scummy for it or not? Explain why.

V/LAs are not inherently scummy at all. People have lives and responsabilities outside these games.

What do you think about Lynch All Liars? Explain why.

Lying generally does not benefit the town. No Vanilla townie has any reason to lie. A Power Role might have some reason to lie to prevent being outed and killed. Mafia has every reason to lie. If you have a lie that is provable then that should be a factor in deciding whether someone is scummy. Just lynching solely based on a lie without considering the rest of the players gameplay is short-sighted.

Who would you kill right now if you had the chance to kill someone? (ie day killing vigilante) Explain why.

If I had a Vig daytime kill I would not be using it so early Day 1. That's reactionary and conterproductive.

@ McGriddle - Please answer this rundown yourself.

[MagnaofIllusion]

I think we have more in common than Baccano.

Any reason you want to buddy up to Fate here?

Or get modkilled. That also solves the problem

So the obvious solution is to get modkilled somehow instead of calling you on your short, reactionary posts and general lack of content (aside from Post 54)? I think I'll see where option two leads, thank you.

Do you believe that bouncing around your vote with at best superficial reasoning is anything other than Anti-town / scummuy?

@McGriddle – For someone who made a point to chastise Ythan about mixing yourself and another player up you certainly are defensive when called on the same behavior. Are you normally this jumpy about minor things?

@thatguy – So far you’ve made two OMGUS style vote (in RVS, granted) and not much else. Why didn’t you vote for Ythan when you pointed out his super-ball style vote bouncing?

@Sando and The1fifi – What are your thoughts on McGriddle’s list. Do you intend to answer the questions?

[Ythan]

I think we have more in common than Baccano.

Any reason you want to buddy up to Fate here?

Any reason you're trying to paint it that way? Question, is this your first account on the site? If not then tell me your old one.

Or get modkilled. That also solves the problem

So the obvious solution is to get modkilled somehow instead of calling you on your short, reactionary posts and general lack of content (aside from Post 54)? I think I'll see where option two leads, thank you.

Please learn to read for content.

Do you believe that bouncing around your vote with at best superficial reasoning is anything other than Anti-town / scummuy?

Do you have any idea what RVS is? There's a wiki for things like this, it's linked at the top of each page.

@thatguy – So far you’ve made two OMGUS style vote (in RVS, granted) and not much else. Why didn’t you vote for Ythan when you pointed out his super-ball style vote bouncing?

Earnestly trying to drum up a wagon, noted.

If Magna is as new as his title indicates he may just be really obvious scum.

[Ythan]

title

join date

[Ythan]

title

join date

title actually works too

[MagnaofIllusion]

Any reason you're trying to paint it that way? Question, is this your first account on the site? If not then tell me your old one.

Isn't Mafia a game about exchanging opinions? It reads to me as buddying. You for obvious reasons disagree.

This is my first and only account on this site.

Please learn to read for content.

A short, content free insult as a response. Duly noted.

Earnestly trying to drum up a wagon, noted.

I suppose asking a player to defend their actions and positions is trying to drum up a wagon. Glad you noted it as that's the basis of the game we are playing.

[Ythan]

Trying to drum up a wagon on smoke and mirrors. Scummy. So you have a vote. Also you're pretty clearly scum.

[horrordude0215]

Also, why are you distancing yourself from McGriddle answering his own questions?

I wasn't distancing... it was Ythan who asked McGriddle to do it, not me.

Or get modkilled. That also solves the problem

So the obvious solution is to get modkilled somehow instead of calling you on your short, reactionary posts and general lack of content (aside from Post 54)? I think I'll see where option two leads, thank you.

That was his response to a game that I played with him... I had some personal issues going on at the time, said some not so nice things, and was almost modkilled for it.

Do you believe that bouncing around your vote with at best superficial reasoning is anything other than Anti-town / scummuy?

This is another thing that happens with him a lot... he constantly changes votes and when he does he just says "Found Scum" without giving much reason... everyone will have a vote on them because of Ythan at one point in time.

Trying to drum up a wagon on smoke and mirrors. Scummy. So you have a vote. Also you're pretty clearly scum.

I mentioned the same thing... why didn't you accuse me of drumming up a wagon?

[Ythan]

You mentioned the same thing but you aren't trying to really take it somewhere.

[Konowa]

@McGriddle: Have asking these questions helped you scum-hunt? Or are you just going to sit on cruise-control and say "conversation starter"?

Vote: Ythan

for being mean to everyone ever, and accusing my questions of being scummy. They are general questions, not really that special.

Whoops meant konowa

Unvote, Vote: Konowa

EBWODP: and he also looks like he is jumping at a quick wagon after what f1fi said. BTW f1fi don't hold a grudge on me for that other game I am not allowed to speak about lol.

You [McGriddle] cross-referencing Ythan and I here makes it hard to understand what you are saying. Explain what you mean by the second post, and who it is supposed to be addressing.

@horror: I do see it as distancing. You say that "we're not giving McGriddle a free pass", but you yourself are doing nothing to get him to answer his own questions. Instead, you bring up the fact that Ythan asked him to answer them.

I want more out of the people who have only answered the survey questions and nothing else [1fifi, Sando, Leech].
Also, I am watching something and see how it develops. I will let you know in a few pages how it turns out.

[horrordude0215]

@horror: I do see it as distancing. You say that "we're not giving McGriddle a free pass", but you yourself are doing nothing to get him to answer his own questions. Instead, you bring up the fact that Ythan asked him to answer them.

Well if I'm distancing, I'm not doing it intentionally... I just don't want to parrot the same questions others are asking