oh right, i don't buy this at all. of course you're going to say this anyway, but it's a really bad defense of what he did. it's of course possible he just didn't really care about the game as you went on to say but yeh.don_johnson wrote:
^^ this is reaching. ice had two posts. he's been on site long enough to not make such a glaring mistake as scum to post a blatant contradiction.
My random vote? Really? Not really gonna bother with this, but as far as reaching for a case goes, well, I'll defer to your expertise. Not too sure about this disappearing act gag either, but whatever reinforces your flimsy points I guess.dj wrote:cruelty mainly for his "omgus" rvs vote and subsequent dissappearing act.
This is the sort of thing that really aggravates me about this site. It's day 1, there's no possible way that you can have a genuinely strong read, why the f is it so imperative that I vote? It's like if you don't tick these boxes then some chump will jump down your throat because you're obvscum.dj wrote:i may be tunneling now, but i do notice how cruelty calls out fongoid's behavior but fails to vote for him.
as well you should. i have quite a bit of eperience on this site and sifting through the rvs is what i consider one of my specialties.cruelty wrote:My random vote? Really? Not really gonna bother with this, but as far as reaching for a case goes, well, I'll defer to your expertise.dj wrote:cruelty mainly for his "omgus" rvs vote and subsequent dissappearing act.
insulting me won't make me go away. you spent several pages in the background and then chimed in with a rather dull post.cruelty wrote: Not too sure about this disappearing act gag either, but whatever reinforces your flimsy points I guess.
why can't i have a strong read? here you seem to misunderstand what i am taking issue with or you are possibly trying to misrepresent what it is i actually took issue with. its not thatcruelty wrote:This is the sort of thing that really aggravates me about this site. It's day 1, there's no possible way that you can have a genuinely strong read, why the f is it so imperative that I vote? It's like if you don't tick these boxes then some chump will jump down your throat because you're obvscum.dj wrote:i may be tunneling now, but i do notice how cruelty calls out fongoid's behavior but fails to vote for him.
but you are sure enough to differentiate between mine and sean's posts.cruelty wrote:Anyway, why didn't I vote straight away? Because I'm never sure about my day 1 reads, and I don't like rashly voting.
meta defense. brilliant. self produced meta is nothing more than null tell.cruelty wrote: I've never really thrown my vote around (I've played with a few of you before and my meta will support this) and I prefer my vote to have actual meaning. I don't want to be that guy who votes and unvotes ten times a day because at some point, people won't be at all concerned when you vote for them.
yes. i actually pointed this out first. your rvs vote was uberscummy imo so it obviously tainted my read.cruelty wrote:Basically to me, dj, you read like you've read through the game with a pre-meditated profile of me as scum, then shaped what you found to fit.
then you should be voting for me.cruelty wrote:I don't really think your suspicion is genuine at all. I suppose it's logical, trying to pull votes off your wagon would be desirable regardless of your alignment, but I don't really get the feeling that you're hugely pro-town at all.
i have rather clearly laid out my suspicions and where my vote will go. if you want to lynch snow white/fongoid, i am with you. if you want to lynch yourself, i can help you there too. if not, then i will be voting ds. i already made that clear.cruelty wrote:By the way, where is your vote?
anyway;cruelty wrote:I'm struggling to keep up with my games atm; just recovering from an op and the painkilling drugs make me a little nauseous, don't like spending much time on the computer. This is also the reason my content hasn't been great thus far. Apologies.
No.dj wrote:just realized that you are voting for me. yet you claim to want fongoid/snowwhite over me. would i be correct in that?
Shrug, don't know what to tell you then. I've never thrown votes around, not going to start now. If you're gonna crucify me for my playstyle then do it, I don't think holding off on a vote is exactly anti-town, especially in day one.dj wrote:meta defense. brilliant. self produced meta is nothing more than null tell.
Calling your case flimsy isn't exactly an insult, sorry if your feelings are hurt. I'll endeavour to keep a smile on your dial from here on out. The 'inactivity' such as it is has been addressed above. Not a whole lot I can do about it for now.dj wrote:insulting me won't make me go away. you spent several pages in the background and then chimed in with a rather dull post.
And then what? Furiously pushed the Fongoid wagon as an alternative? Where exactly are you going with this point?dj wrote:its not that you didn't vote. it's that you waited to vote until an alternative wagon began.
Oh.. so I was vague in my disbelief in Fongoid's explanation?dj wrote:i have rather clearly laid out my suspicions and where my vote will go.
dj wrote:yes. i actually pointed this out first. your rvs vote was uberscummy imo so it obviously tainted my read.
lol.dj wrote:the rvs is meant for jokes and fun and it offers townies a way to enter the game with genuine lightheartedness.
Yeah mad props. Doing a stellar job so far.dj wrote:as well you should. i have quite a bit of eperience on this site and sifting through the rvs is what i consider one of my specialties.
That's my bad, I didn't mean you specifically. Meant it in general terms. I don't believe there's such a thing as a day 1 gimme.dj wrote:why can't i have a strong read?
Why? Is it genuinely inconceivable that I don't have a scumread on Sean? I don't understand why I have to discuss -everything- that happens, even when I don't find it particularly worrisome.S7 wrote:Sean was the other wagon taking off. He just completely ignores it and that just sends red flags up to me.
again, you miss the issue. its not the "holding off", its the timing in general. you "held off" until another wagon was established.cruelty wrote:
Shrug, don't know what to tell you then. I've never thrown votes around, not going to start now. If you're gonna crucify me for my playstyle then do it, I don't think holding off on a vote is exactly anti-town, especially in day one.dj wrote:meta defense. brilliant. self produced meta is nothing more than null tell.
i guess i fail to see where you "furiously" did anything... in fact, you seem to have aqcuiesced to the ice wagon even though you state you kinda sorta didn't want to.cruelty wrote:
And then what? Furiously pushed the Fongoid wagon as an alternative? Where exactly are you going with this point?dj wrote:its not that you didn't vote. it's that you waited to vote until an alternative wagon began.
yes. that's where you voted, after another wagon took off. if you would like to put your money where your mouth is then vote fongoid now. i'd be fine joining you. they were your first choice anyway, right? i'm pretty sure we got an extension...cruelty wrote:Look I'm not misunderstanding you at all, I just don't think it's valid. I don't throw my vote around, and I'm certainly not going to make sure that my vote is cast precisely when the sun is at the apex of it's arc. I don't really care about timing, other wagons aren't really a concern of mine and I think this is what you're misunderstanding about me. DS's wagon wasn't even a concern of mine at the time; I thought (not sure what I think right now) that Fongoid was the scummiest player in the game, so that's where I voted.
the statement above was not about you. it was made in response to your question of "where's your vote at?" way to take it out of context. noone said anything about you or your vagueness.cruelty wrote:Oh.. so I was vague in my disbelief in Fongoid's explanation?dj wrote:i have rather clearly laid out my suspicions and where my vote will go.
no. you are scum because you got a role pm that says so. you didn't post a joke because you were nervous about how to enter the game. you figured an "omgus" vote was a nice easy way in that wouldn't draw much attention.cruelty wrote: This point is beyond ridiculous. I'm scum because I didn't post a fucking joke? You serious? In future, in order to avoid suspicion, I'll make sure to include a joke in the RVS. That'll clear things up and avoid any misunderstandings in the future.
another insult. well done.cruelty wrote:Yeah mad props. Doing a stellar job so far.dj wrote:as well you should. i have quite a bit of eperience on this site and sifting through the rvs is what i consider one of my specialties.
dj wrote:if you would like to put your money where your mouth is then vote fongoid now.
I was implying that I was pretty clear about where my suspicions lay regardless of the fact that I didn't instantly vote.dj wrote:the statement above was not about you. it was made in response to your question of "where's your vote at?" way to take it out of context. noone said anything about you or your vagueness.
That's my point. I voted the person I thought was scummy. I didn't push it, I didn't try to derail the DS or iceman wagons; I merely cast my vote.dj wrote: i guess i fail to see where you "furiously" did anything... in fact, you seem to have aqcuiesced to the ice wagon even though you state you kinda sorta didn't want to.
I'm not missing the issue at all, I specifically addressed this later on. You even quoted it.dj wrote: again, you miss the issue. its not the "holding off", its the timing in general. you "held off" until another wagon was established.
Why would he target you in such a pre-meditated way? I might be able to buy this if you were one of the top wagons but you're not, so that makes zero sense to me.cruelty Post 254 wrote:Basically to me, dj, you read like you've read through the game with a pre-meditated profile of me as scum, then shaped what you found to fit. I don't really think your suspicion is genuine at all. I suppose it's logical, trying to pull votes off your wagon would be desirable regardless of your alignment, but I don't really get the feeling that you're hugely pro-town at all.
It was the way you half heartily voted Ice. You were voting because the deadline was coming up so that means you must have looked at the two top wagons and picked one. Yet you don't mention Sean at all, you just tact your vote onto Ice for no real reason. It's not that you have to discuss everything, it's that you went out of your way not to discuss Sean's wagon when his and Ice's were pretty connected with the deadline at that point.cruelty Post 258 wrote:Why? Is it genuinely inconceivable that I don't have a scumread on Sean? I don't understand why I have to discuss -everything- that happens, even when I don't find it particularly worrisome.S7 wrote:Sean was the other wagon taking off. He just completely ignores it and that just sends red flags up to me.
i think he's scum and its actually quite fun.Sidekick wrote:Well this has progressed quickly, don_johnson why are you pushing cruelty so hard?
i can't know that for sure, but if he's scum he's 100%. i haven't been in a game with players having varying percentages of being scum.sidekick wrote: Are you seriously suggesting he is 100% scum?
why is it "folly"? did you notice how he changed his vote with only the slightest bit of pressure? did you notice how he is still avoiding ds? did you notice the discrepancies in his testimony? its not my fault he is allowing himself to be my puppet.sidekick wrote: It's possible yes but I think you're being extreme and pushing way too hard. I think you saying he is 100% scum at this point is folly.
why are you voting ds? please point out the "major" reasons you believe him to be scum.sidekick wrote:I think you're going too hard on such minor things, perhaps you should back off and rethink?
Wanted to see if you'd back your words up and vote with me. You gonna?dj wrote:did you notice how he changed his vote with only the slightest bit of pressure?
No idea. Possibly because I played a very passive game the last time I played with him.S7 wrote:Why would he target you in such a pre-meditated way?
I went out of my way to not do something? c'mon. I didn't like either wagon, so yeah of course I jumped on the once I disliked the least. And then I spoke about Sean the next post. Fact is, I didn't really want either of them lynched whilst Fongoid was still in the game.S7 wrote:It's not that you have to discuss everything, it's that you went out of your way not to discuss Sean's wagon when his and Ice's were pretty connected with the deadline at that point.
Something rubbed me up wrong about Riddick. He claims Sidekick is scum and thinks it will be funny to lynch him before he comes back. +scum points.Riddick wrote: let's try and lynch him before he can post again. it'd be rather funny. (+ he's scum)
As WOW further goes onto say, DisgruntledSeans flip flop is more interesting than icemaE's non existance.There seems to be a complete change from 102 to 110. In 102, he's worried about IcemanE getting too many votes, but in 110 he votes for him anyway. In 102, he'd like to wait until IcemanE returns with more content (or is replaced), but in 110 he appears to be considering the benefits of lynching potential-scum IcemanE without hearing further from him.
He then claims page 2let's try and lynch him before he can post again. it'd be rather funny. (+ he's scum)
To me your backpedalling. First you want to lynch him because quite seriously he's scum. Before people put pressure on you and he's just "vote worthy" ???I don't know why that would be scummy, I hadn't noticed what Spy had but when he pointed it out I agreed and felt it was at least voteworthy.
Or either that you're 100% right and I'm misremembering and drunk.What? I was talking about Budja here (as a reason for quicklynching him, which quite obviously wasn't serious, although it would be fucking hilarious). As for my vote being 'forced' well ya, i've no idea where you're getting that from.Snow White wrote: Wary of Riddick vote. Felt forced. Dont like it. In regards to the Hoopla vote which seemed natural.Something rubbed me up wrong about Riddick. He claims Sidekick is scum and thinks it will be funny to lynch him before he comes back. +scum points.Riddick wrote: let's try and lynch him before he can post again. it'd be rather funny. (+ he's scum)
What question, there was no question he said he thought I was a bit eager to lynch, that was a statement not a question. I also asked him for clarification on what he meant, I don't see how I ignored it at all.Riddick totally bypasses DisgruntledSean's question about being eager to lynch and instead answers his question with a question.
This is downright ridiculous. So if someone has a vote on them it's distracting to try and scum hunt. Please.Riddick then puts the pressure on Sidekick distracting conversation from himself. I hope someone most certainly pulled him up on that.
What WIFOM? I was pointing out that I thought sotty's vote was bad, or at least hypocritical. Assuming this is what you're reffering to. I then ask her why what she voted me for is scummy, your summary is really confusing me so far.Again Riddick answers with a question and what explanation he does give is equal to WIFOM.
...unless you think i'm some sort of absolute brain dead moron then it CLEARLY was a joke.icemane claims Riddick was "clearly" joking. He would know how? Bad vibes.
A reasonable point, but hardly evasive, I just didn't think they were town. Saying that = being evasive in what way.Riddick disagrees Sotty and Sidekick reads as town. But doesnt specify he finds them neutral or anti town. He's evasive. But claims DisgruntledSean reads as town.
Answering questions is never pro-town. No relax, that was a joke. I think you're really exaggerating the amount of questions I've not answered, in fact is there anything in particular you want to know?Riddick ignoring peoples questions is helpful to town in what way? Ive come to terms that your answer to an answer is usually acompanied by question but seriously. Not answering things is not helpful in the slightest.
Riddick. Im comfortable with an icemanE lynch. So if your gonna lynch between me and icemanE for the scum title. It'd be in your best interest to lynch icemanE.
. Only sometimes when I'm scumSnow wrote:... that Budja is a scarily good persuader.
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