Mafia 109 - A Glitch in time - Game Over!

[SpyreX]

HI CAMN!

Vote: Camn

[SpyreX]

What in the name of all that is holy happened here today fellas?

Was there a power hammer? mmmmmm

[SpyreX]

I just want to cut to the chase on this whole madness:

Is the core of the Nik case that single statement?

CSL threw down that vote totally expecting it to be hammer.

Has everyone even POSTED yet?

[SpyreX]

Educate me then. I haven't went back all fine-tooth-comb like but unless I'm missing some HUGE REVELATION that really seems like core.

The others, thats what I thought.

[SpyreX]

Jesus game.

@Drippereth:

While what choo-choo'd this wagon up was pretty much wolves clamoring at your feet on very little...

I agree with your assessment about the potential hammer post and am willing to hammer.

I'd be surprised if (sans CSL as see below) there were any scum on that wagon too if this is a scum-flip. It was just too fast.

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That said, I still want an explanation for CSL's "hammer" before 1.) nik could claim and 2.) before weeaboo had even posted.

That ain't gonna fly, yo.

Unvote

[SpyreX]

Yea McZ doesn't make sense as scum with the way that went.

CSL though is my #1 if Nik-scum and bullets are had shot, period. No way in hell that flies.

I'd still love to know what in the hell CAUSED it. I'm definitely not seeing that right, yet. It is the response after that I think you're right about.

[SpyreX]

If its L-2 well then:

Vote: Nik

[SpyreX]

That DOES remind me:

Spyrex, if the scum thought this wagon was going to crash, I would expect the scumpals to hop on first class, at the last minute, in a complete rush, to gain town cred for what they may feel is a situation they cannot help or will look bad for ignoring.

I STILL look at it and am flabbergasted at how much steam it got. That really speaks of one of those wagons that moved too fast for an adjustment. The only move that reeks of scum-machinations if that is a scum-wagon is the hammer.

Of course, the inverse applies to a solid degree - if Nik is town, I'd be surprised if drip is scum but at LEAST one of the "me toos" is probably scum.

[SpyreX]

I'm not down with the clergy with that being a goon flip. No way is a hydra going to go down protecting a goon.

Camn, Drip, Clergy - town.
Panama - probably town.

That said:

Vote: Dramonic

[SpyreX]

Bold mine.

Going along with Clergyhoop's schtick? Desperation in the QT?

Yo yo yo

I found another scum!

With his schtick? Calling that wagon garbage? Yea, I am.

If Nik hadn't imploded no way would I have been on that wagon. The wagon was garbage (hint: you even admitted it). The reaction was the key point.

Would scum defend it all the way down considering how sycophantic the wagon was? Doubtful.

Would a scum-hydra actively campaign against it considering how quick the wolves were to the slaughter the day before? Very doubtful.

Do I find it more than a little disconcerting that dramonic lol'd off my vote and no one even mentioned it or

asked why I voted in the first place

? Hells to the yes.

Dramonic is skating. Hard. While not the only one its more than a little itchy that no one has even mentioned it.

(This post is damn near more than the entirety of what dramonic has posted in the game, fyi - including *GASP* disdain for the Nik wagon)

[SpyreX]

Yeah, I got a bit weirded out by his "Clergy defended scum so therefore Clergy is town" wifom defense post. That tell would be dependent on clergy's alignment, but if Clergy flips scum, SpyreX is a likely buddy.

Its not a function of defending a scum. Its a function of everything around that lynch and the player doing and the methods doing it.

Its not WIFOM - scum defending hard there is tantamount to suicide considering how quick that wagon (which I still think is going to be town) wolved all over it.

If Nik was a PR I'd be looking at it a lot harder. As it sits, no way.

[SpyreX]

I'm scum because I came in after a hammer based on mystic voodoo?

WELP

[SpyreX]

And yet, still, not a peep about anything I'm trying to say about dram?

USA USA

[SpyreX]

I'm too tired to go into detail but, again, look at this player base. Look at the sliders.

Then, look real, real hard at dramonic.

And IM lacking?

[SpyreX]

The WIFE is still watching the olympics so even though I should be leaving:

Do you take this to mean he's probably not scum? If so it is WIFOM.

Good lord. No.

WIFOM implies equal probabilities. Not "I'll do something so blazingly stupid that I'm sure to be town for it"

Which would be scum

power-defending

Nik in this atmosphere would have been.

Notice the underline, it'll come up in a second.

I don't like posts like this. There's a reason you're under suspicion. If it's flimsy rebut it.

Ohh, really now? Go ahead, condense this case on me. Lay it out all nice and simple.

Then, come back here straight faced and say there's a reason.

Why is dramonic DIE SCUM DIE and clergyman town for doing basically the same thing?

See the underlined above?

Yea. They aren't the same thing. In shape, context, or magnitude.

Dram is actively lurking it up and tsk, tsk'd.

The hoop opted to vehemently attack the wagon.

These two things aren't the same.

[SpyreX]

Ahh, but "there is a reason"

So, go ahead and dig it up. Or were you just agreeing for the sake of agreeing?

(Hint: there is no case. You were agreeing for the sake of agreeing)

[SpyreX]

... Yea, Yos was pretty clearly for the Nik lynch most of the time. I'm not sure where that train of thought is going.

Lets play an interesting game though about Yos's vote:

The first post, I say I wouldn't mind seeing Nik lynched.

The second post, I repeat that, and attack Nik for never giving useful content (which, in a speed game, is pretty much the best tell there is.)

There was also a third post where I clearly state that, while I would have rather seen CSL lynched, I was going to hammer Nik on Monday night if he didn't give me a clear reason why not to.

Considering the italics - care to comment on Dramonic or the less than 10 posts squad?

[SpyreX]

You've got to be kidding me.

Just because the twister whirl worked once doesn't mean its gonna work again.

Go ahead and compare the iso comments to whats said in iso.

Much like Clergy power defending, MaB getting thrown under the bus by scum at the end isn't biting me as a real scum move.

[SpyreX]

...

5 pages of noise.

FIVE PAGES OF NOISE.

No. Just, no.

There are a few tidbits worth mentioning though:

1.) @Yos: While I agree with what you're saying in regards to Ythan's "case" I'm missing the point - do you think he's scum? Is there something behind it?
2.) @KMD: Its awesome and all that you're catching up (and wrong almost uniliaterally in your reads) but considering I forgot you were in the game lets go ahead and kick that up a notch.
3.) Camn is town. Fo sho.
4.) Anon gets some good vibrations.
5.) The spam needs to stop. Period.

[SpyreX]

I suppose when you're pushing for a lynch on someone you suspect you'll pony up more info. I can wait until then.

I think my irony meter just broke

[SpyreX]

Ohhh hay game.

Nothing like coming home after the longest day of meetings to see:

1.) Clergy being power-town
2.) Pulindur being power-town
3.) Dramonic twirling a mustache with "HAY LOOK I AM EVIL"

And... now I'm somehow scum if Clergy is scum AND if Dramonic is scum?

Awesome, folks.

Seriously, something like 12 pages in a day is not awesome. Especially this mad clamoring like deadline is looming - when, realistically, its not.

And I'm either scum for mystic voodoo OR "He's town, but could be scum playing me" from... everyone except for Clergy (who I am scum with).

Lets shake the dillo:

TOWN:
Drip
Clergy
Parlindur
Parama
Camn

PROBABLY TOWN:
Anon
Yos*

* If Ythan is scum then I could easily see this whole spat being smoke and mirrors - my individual read is town but that whole exchange is bizzare to say the least.

SCUM ARE HERE:
Dramonic

WHICH LEAVES:
Nacho
McZ
Mae
KMD
Weaboo
Ythan

Of that last set I'm the most irritated.

McZ needs replacing. Nacho is skating. Mae is white noise. Ythan is the god of white noise and its beyond ridiculous at this point. Weaboo is posting more about the white noise than anything else and KMD is stuck in perpetual catchup.

I'd kill this whole damn list and I'd bet on shaking 2 scum out of it. Probably Weaboo and Nacho although I'm really starting to think that Ythan might be up to some truly beautiful (and coached cough *yos* cough) white noise.

But, see, its not all bad. That list, that first one I posted? The list of "THESE PEOPLE ARE TOWN".

Yea. Those people are town. Stop slapfighting and, ya know, lynch dramonic.

[SpyreX]

Ohh hay game.

So, we've got a gunsmith that has checked Drip and Parama and got clean results on both.

And, for pretty sures, at least a kill that was blocked.

Yea, as much as I hate to do it, Razor suggests they took a shot on dram and got snuffed. Or, Dramonic and Parama are up to some amazing hijinks, which I doubt.

So, ffff.

We're looking at one of the lurkerpile then.

Vote: Nacho

[SpyreX]

You're looking at one of the lurker pile. There are players who are still hoping to lynch someone scummy.

This just in: lurking isn't scummy!

[SpyreX]

Really dram?

I'm saying that the lurkers are scummy. I'm voting for one of them.

Ythan said "you're looking at lurkers. Other players (i.e. myself) are hoping to lynch someone scummy"

With his vote on you, which like I said, doesn't add up at the mo'

[SpyreX]

^

This.

I'm not for a dramonic lynch today.

She sure did get prodded, bro ~ Hayl

[SpyreX]

I want to play a little game:

Ythan. Lets go ahead and pretend my computer is broke and I can't see ANY posts before this point.

In your own words:
1.)Summate why Dramonic is scum and a good lynch.
2.)Summate why Pulindar is bad.

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@Yos - what are you waiting for with Dram? A scum flip he's got a result on orrr?

That said I'm even MORE in favor of the Nacho wagon after Mae's piping in with wanting him to respond (like THIS game was gonna manage a lynch before he could respond).

Votes on Dram are bad votes and need new homes.

[SpyreX]

Ythan's town.

I REALLY think it'd help overall if we could avoid feeding the white noise, but those answers make sense.

[SpyreX]

(1) Scum lurks.
(2) There's always a scum that escapes detection for many days, by lurking.
(3) Lynching lurkers is pro-town.

This sums it up decently.

[SpyreX]

Dear game,

What in the hell?

"Ohh yea SpyreX is totally scum see how he put the vote down today that started this wagon on what really smells of scum pushing but hey that doesn't matter because of ???"

Not to mention the weird disparity between me trying to divert los garbagos off clergy yesterday to dram (who jumping on this baffles me but).

Its like bizarro world game and I don't like it.

I really don't like the amount of not votings we have at this point. I'm pretty confident in that list of slakkers the scums be but the fact that we're not even getting ANYTHING ELSE DONE EXCEPT FOR THE MOST APATHETIC WAGON EVER is bothering me quite a bit.

So, yea, lets get a move on.

[SpyreX]

Why Parama scum ohh Weaboo?

[SpyreX]

Good lord reading Panamamana in ISO versus slogging through the mess does paint quite the different picture.

Nacho today, but LOOK AT EARLY PLAY tomorrow ESPECIALLY IF WRONG ABOUT NACHO THANKS IN ADVANCE.

[SpyreX]

And for the record:

The craziest part looking back at it wasn't that he clamored for the CSL lynch and then swung the hammer - its the fact CSL was the shot and there was NO REAL QUESTIONING of the whole business.

Hot damn even I fell for it but everyone?

[SpyreX]

I'd be delighted to explain:

First post.
Vote: CSL
Policy Lynch.

I think [insert playername] is scum.
BTW, [insert playername] is scum.
So obviously [insert playername] is scum.
Which means [insert playername] is scum.
Which implies that- *gets shot*

So I guess we're lynching Nikanor.
Cool. You guys do that, I'm not against it.

I'm also not against lynching CSL.
My vote stays. I don't feel like jumping on an RVS-esque wagon atm.

CSL's still a policy lynch, but scum is fine anyways.
Did we overhammer Nik? xD

Nvm, he's at L-1.
Anyways I feel a claim is in order, anyone else agree?

EBWOP: He's not.
I still don't understand the wagon very well, seems like RVS logic to me, but I'm not against it. Regardless, not going to vote to put him at L-1, and CSL is still a better lynch.

Meh, if Nik flips scum I'll gladly take the next lynch. I mean, scum do often buddy up with townies to set up mislynches, and I'm one of those townies, but I can't fault you for using WIFOMish logic. Oh wait.

I'm trying to show you how absurd your argument is. Just because I pointed out Nik was buddying me makes me scum? And I'll take the lynch because you'll lynch me anyways regardless of my alignment. Scum buddy up with townies. It's a common move. WIFOM, yes. Does it mean I'm scum? Maybe.

Not lynching CSL like they should be.
Don't even try to misrep me by saying I'm trying to switch the target.

Go ahead and lynch Nikanor. Just make sure CSL dies first.

YEAH SCUM SHOULD DIE LYNCH CSL
I'm personally finding this game hilarious. Just me.

The only other case is on Nikanor, and my read on CSL is greater than my read on Nikanor. Plus, it's hard to build a strong case on someone who's posted 2 or 3 times.

I already called being lynched tomorrow if Nikanor's scum. You can be lynched if he's townie though.

unvote, vote Nikanor
random hammer mode activate

There's probably EVEN MORE in there. The first 40 posts of this game are "Lynch CSL not Nik" in some fashion.

When you add to it the "lynch me tomorrow if Nik is scum" COMBINED with the fact CSL was killed and was town it is kind of a :headdesk: moment.

Add to that the fact that no one day 2 really pushed this (yea, I'm to blame I got caught up in the hammer moment) and it moves from :headdesk: to :tinfoil:.

[SpyreX]

God I forgot Dram claimed a no-gun on Pam.

I'm not sure if that really alters anything at this juncture but.

[SpyreX]

Bravo.

Lets get this done.

[SpyreX]

If Ythan is scum I'm still saying go go Yos for scum.

I just dont understand the maneuver though.

[SpyreX]

Woodoggy game I'd love to even pretend to know what the case is on me but, alas poor yorick.

I mean the rationales presented today are ROCK SOLID and awesome.

And yea I pushed a case on pananamama and I will be delving deeper into that later today.

[SpyreX]

While thats awesome and all I'm missing the bite?

[SpyreX]

So, just so we're clear:

I'm scum because I 1.) thought the initial wagon on Nik was garbage (it was). 2.) agreed with you that he exploded when he thought he was lynched and outed himself (he did) and THEN the next day came out hard on another scum partner?

And dramonic is scum because he's alive with a result on a dead person?

[SpyreX]

So THATS where this comes from?

Lets take a look at it for reallies then:

Day 1:

On the lynch wagon:

Camn

, Anon, Drippereth, Maemuki, Starbuck,

CSL

,

Ythan

, Spyrex, Parama.

Out of the lynch wagon: Dramonic, Weaboo,

A Clergyman with a Hoop

, kmd,

Nachomamma8

, yosa, Pulindar.

Day 2:

(A little erroneous because of modkill but lets peek)

On the lynch wagon: Parama, Yosarian2,

Nachomamma8

, Kmd, Drippereth

Off the lynch wagon: Weaboo, Pulindar,

Ythan

, Maemuki,

Camn

, Anon, SpyreX,

A Clergyman with a Hoop

, Starbuck, Dramonic

Day 3:

On the lynch wagon:

Camn

, SpyreX, Kmd, Drippereth, Dramonic, Weaboo, Yosarian2, Anon

Off the lynch wagon:

Ythan

, Parama,

Nachomamma8

, Starbuck, Maemuki

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So, I'm scum because I've been RIGHT?

Additionally, looking at that I'm going to go ahead and reference this when Parama-gate opens.

[SpyreX]

Ok help me through this because seriously:

I want to lynch Parama but Dramonic has said he has no gun.
I STILL think Dramonic after the whole bidness yesterday is town.

Additionally:
If Parama is scum* Dramonic is scum.
If Dramonic is scum, P-chan is ???.

*Something besides (scum that doesn't have a gun or ???)

So, every fiber of my being says lynch Parama over Dramonic if that's the route we're taking.

But, Dramonic being alive with a result is weird UNLESS the scum don't have guns?

Then, what the hell game?

[SpyreX]

The absence of play overall during that whole fiasco sure does

[SpyreX]

Weeaboo needs to do more but I like my gut on him.

CSL and Ythan have been NK's.

We have a vig. Or an SK prepping for vig who will win because whomever says "Yea, it was me that shot them" pretty much gets a parade and a golden castle to put his golden medallion of "I do good deeds" on.

[SpyreX]

(c) third investigation: Ythan. Seriously? Like he was a threat? Or particularly useful to the town? Now pay attention, you all. If I were scum, and Ythan was town, would I want him dead or alive? The answer is, ALIVE, and for as long as possible. Because as long as he's alive, he's like a distraction for wagons on myself-scum and my scumpals. He's an asset to the scum. He distracts at every second post, but he does no scum hunting whatsoever. He holds no opinion and once cannot influence the town without holding an opinion. Therefore, he's an asset to the scum; a constant, non-threatening distraction.

By giving us an "innocent" on Ythan, he's prolonging Ythan's life. Yay scum. And of course, investigating the dead guy is a classic.

Here's where it falls apart for me:

If Dramonic is scum, both of those statements can't be true. Either its a throwaway fake claim on Ythan (why Ythan?) or what he actually did.

The investigation choices (sans you) aren't what I would have done but that doesn't make him scum.

And the roleblocker aspect still operates under the guise there is a roleblocker - which, since no one has piped up, I wouldn't put as a lockdown.

Ultimately if Parama is scum Dram is scum. I'm not down for lynching the only claimed PR today. If you want to test it, Parama would be my bet.

[SpyreX]

Yo drip my post?

Pulindar's defense is... somethin? I'm a little bugged by how clean that is versus any cases we've seen.

[SpyreX]

1334 and my question about those last two from that quote and how I can't see how they mesh?

[SpyreX]

I just dont understand a good solid defense and a pretty weak offense.

[SpyreX]

But if he was scum and thus lying why still do that report?

[SpyreX]

Its not buying him ANY cred. In this atmosphere he's a pretty solid target. Why not go for broke and either fake a catch or WIFOM it up and fake a clear?

[SpyreX]

I'm just saying a result on a deadis the LEAST cred of all scenarios.

You raise a good point though - the flavor is just killed, not shot?

[SpyreX]

I meant the flip flavor, but you raise an even more valid point there.

The flips simply say killed.
The flavor says pretty much anything but shot.

Hmmm

[SpyreX]

It doesn't add up right and I can't figure out which way I'm wrong about it (my read versus madness)

Sheesh have a little patience

[SpyreX]

Ohh hydra-sensei please have your brains come to a consensus because wooo nelly.

[SpyreX]

Isn't this the inverse of what I was trying to get across with Dram drip? :confuse:

[SpyreX]

Both quotes you gave pair KMD and I together BUT I'm the scum and KMD is town?

And he left out dramonic at all and that's no bells?

Woooossshhhh

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I'm absolutely confused by the mod's posts on this page. Unless I missed something integral the ONLY thing it could be about was trying to clarify Dramonics role?

[SpyreX]

... I guess Dram being a gunsmith is the only way that REALLY makes sense isn't it?

So, Pam and Dram

(sittin in a tree)

are coo for the mo'

As awesome as that Day 1 stuff is (and I feel so left out) lets move into full speed ahead.

[SpyreX]

Hey now, if you're gonna throw that down at least call it "white noise so I don't get replaced" because hot damn calling that information is a sad state of affairs.

Listo

3. Starbuck (Rep. McZombie)
5. Maemuki -
7. Pulindar (Rep. Miserable At Best)
14. Yosarian2 -
15. Anon
16. KMD(numbers)
17. Weaboo (hydra of Kise and xReckonerx)

Of that set:

Starbuck
Mae
Anon
Yos
KMD
Pulindar
Weaboo

Vote: Starbuck

That slot has been coasting this whole damn game. Now's not the time for day 1 shenanigans that aren't even fully laced out. Specifically in that catchup post the dancing with KMD and Yos really gets me - I'd push them above Mae and Anon with a scum Starbuck flip.

[SpyreX]

That noise is blinding like the sun. This was just a small lightbulb.

I'd love (haha) to see Starbuck say anything based on present-day.

[SpyreX]

Ohh yessir I'm meta up ins. I, in fact, play every game exactly the same because of the RAW POWER of meta and its PURE AND HOLY GUIDANCE FACTOR.

And, well, lets post this whole "KMD Paragraph"

KMD is lurking on point with me, and Spyrex isn't much better. I think that it's a really good idea to note that KMD is protesting the dramonic lynch, and he's also has a town read on someone who isn't really posting a whole lot of content.

I'm confused as to where KMD's scum read on Anon is coming from. The things about Anon he's been "saying all game" are some scummy stuff he's done on page 1. As for Anon himself, I've seen a lot of protown posts from him (SEE: ISO 15), and, as I look over Spyrex a little closer, I definitely agree with the scum read.

Interesting how things look when you add in the latter "How could KMD think Anon is scum P.S. I also agree with him about SpyreX being scum"

And, really, his "stupid case" on KMD is him thinking... you are scum.

And that we're both lurking.

I really, really don't see any kind of OHH SNAP KMD IS WAY MORE POWERFULLY SKUM GUYS from it.

I do see a weird holding hands dance between him and you though.

Interesting.

[SpyreX]

Que? I miss another memo?

[SpyreX]

That IS

exactly

what he said isn't it?

KMD is lurking on point with me, and Spyrex isn't much better.

I think that it's a really good idea to note that KMD is protesting the dramonic lynch, and he's also has a town read on someone who isn't really posting a whole lot of content.

I'm confused as to where KMD's scum read on Anon is coming from. The things about Anon he's been "saying all game" are some scummy stuff he's done on page 1. As for Anon himself, I've seen a lot of protown posts from him (SEE: ISO 15), and,

as I look over Spyrex a little closer, I definitely agree with the scum read.

I'm still annoyed at KMD's blatant hypocrisy... And I really hate how he doesn't describe any of his reads; Anon and Mae seem like random names pulled out of a hat.

Spyrex is not as scummy as KMD, but he's still pretty scummy.

I'm REALLY not seeing whatever you're talking about KMD.

[SpyreX]

For the record I was posting that to the FIRST one not the second since I didn't preview edit.

I dont ever "lurk" - and if you think thats the big scumtell then go ahead and lay it out and then give the full synopsis of my meta and then yeee dawg.

[SpyreX]

(Hint: meta is silly and I'd hold a lot more respect for this wrong case if it was based on the lynch analysis with all those reads in green)

[SpyreX]

This game.

Why in the name of pete would you softclaim?

[SpyreX]

Actually wait. I reread that and I'm even more confused.

Dramonic is alive because you were roleblocked and he was targeted for a kill?

[SpyreX]

Good lord what do you want from me?

I'm not bussing Pulindar because I think Pul is TOWN FFS FOLLOW ME HERE.

Of the grouping (Starbuck, Mae, Anon) there's 1 scum, maaybe even 2 (otherwise Yos / KMD). Of the outliers I, despite my headdesks, have the most town vibes from Weaboo followed by Pul.

[SpyreX]

While wrong, the vote analysis was again a far, far, FAR better argument than this one.

As stupid as it is I hope someone goes ahead and DOES look at this in detail because my lord.

(and seriously aside from the beginning of the game which threw down on a friday whaattttt lurking)

[SpyreX]

Partially process of elimination.

Partially focusing on this faabulous meta versus your "better" avenue.

Partially the fact you've been clamoring all over me since like post 6.

Partially the unsubstantiated lurker callout (which is even awesomer considering the fact you're trying to use meta)

Partially the bizarro SpyreX MUST BE SCUM AND KMD MUST BE TOWN SEE SEE confirmation bias and the beautiful subsequent posts.

and... partially the fact this is being brought up when I'm voting for starbuck?

[SpyreX]

When you're going why am I scum and my vote lies elsewhere it's saying that while you MAY be scum you're not my number one pick which, of course, shades this whole thing.

And my god if my saying "You've been riding this since post 6" is an OMGUS I think we're going to be at an absolute impasse. Especially since its not the FACT you're attacking me but its really the absence of..ohh.. anything else and the methods you are using to do it. Notice drip has been salivating for reasons I have yet to understand but because of the more focal presence and other factors the chances of drip being scum are minimal.

As for my "meta"... ready for it?

META IS BAD AND OVERUSED. This is an organic game that is going to ebb and flow for a myriad of reasons. I've played enough games that any "meta" that gets brought up could be proved/disproved based on the sample size.

I haven't lurked in this game. I was not around that Friday and stumbled home from a night out to see Nik ran up to a supposed lynch. Aside from that (and I swear that better be what you're talking about) where have I been lurking?

Except for thinking meta is bad. That's pretty much an absolute.

[SpyreX]

And we begin again. If this is going to be the dance, I want a for mad reals reason.

I know, its a lot to ask.

[SpyreX]

God I'm running out of energy to fight this fight I've been dealing with all game.

Zombie's vote, singular, makes starbuck town.
My being on that wagon BECAUSE YOU WERE RIGHT, makes me scum.
Anon is a town read for ???

I'm going to be V/LA so lets not do anything tech and power-wagon me. I've got a few more INTERESTING REVELATIONS before the stupid lynch comes.

After it happens, please do me a favor and look at Anon and Zombie a bit more closely.

[SpyreX]

Especially a late wagon bus that gains no cred because it wasn't salivating at the power lynch based on moonbeams, but the reaction from it.

Hokay - I'm going on vacation tomorrow. I will be around to check the thread some but probably NOT tomorrow.

Lets go ahead and give a brother a chance to share some thoughts and perhaps MYSTERY PRIZES before he gets lynched.

[SpyreX]

.... the meta case on me is AOK but not scumhunting is not a scumtell.

This just in.

And, I'll freely admit I'm more than a little irritated that you'd assume I'd LIE about going on vacation to cover a fakeclaim.

Instead, with all the go go go we've seen this game assuming a hammer before I could share my MYSTERIOUS PRIZES isn't all that far fetched.

So, are you ready?

Are you reaaady?

I'm a tracker. Who, right now, REALLY would prefer not to give my awesome results because *gasp* I've found nothing. So, sharing right now is just going "hay scums vig isn't here kthx"

If you really need this awesome information then I'll give it but I'd rather eat a NK versus just doing a fat ball of nothing.

[SpyreX]

Drip this game you are absolutely killing me.

But, you know what, here you go.

Night 1: Drip went nowhere
Night 2: ??? (I got no result on Dram)
Night 3: Weaboo went nowhere.
Night 4: Yos went nowhere.

So, there you go. Now, I said MYSTERIOUS PRIZES because I went "Ohh snap Weaboo and Yos are town" then re-remembered that there is probably four scum considering the flips and just means that they're MOSTLY town.

Why drip? Because that could have been a masterful bus.
Dram better be obvious.
Weaboo and Yos are looking in the dark - both of them haven't been playing fast and hard like I expect.

Hint: Notice my what in the hell at Wea yesterday because of his claiming roleblocked or whatever he was up to when I knew he didn't go anywhere.

REALLY excited to see this pushed up that fast when I'm not around. Well done gents.

[SpyreX]

Because up until watching the explosions yesterday and today I've thought Anon was town. Now I'm not so sure believe you me. Especially the doublespeak with Yos today.

Starbuck / Zombie I did think about a lot. It was just a gut call to go the other way.

[SpyreX]

I'm still a little baffled at Pulindar.

He doesn't believe me because Weaboo and Yos are his prime suspects? But, assuming any kind of balance that would mean that I couldn't be scum or one of those couldn't (chances of 5 scum are highly unlikely).

Further, I have a result on drip as well. So, if I'm lying how in the hell am I lying? I wish I was prescient but alas.

I can't believe I forgot this earlier:

Vote: Starbuck

Remember that whole catchup post business that died?
Except for to call me out for calling her out on it?
And popping in (like one knew what was going on) and offering to hammer?

Yea.

[SpyreX]

Night 2 with Dram I got nothing. Zip nada zilch.
Night 3 with Weaboo I got he went nowhere.

I thought he was playing with games about being roleblocked (since I received nothing saying I was roleblocked) BUT he was softclaiming a power role - which didn't make sense considering I saw him do nothing.

As for the MYSTERIOUS PRIZES - like I said, this is better than average (wea / yos) for being town. However, if I could have managed to not paint a "PR's aren't here guys" list I would have.

---

I'm not sure how this turned into "Yos is a great lynch" either. Starbuck skating and blaming it on the gamespeed? After, of course, being "caught up" enough to be willing to hammer? And then saying that its because we're lynching that she's not playing?

Give me a break.

[SpyreX]

Anon went nowhere last night. Huzzah!

I'm still not seeing the Yos case.

[SpyreX]

Because I had already tracked Yos and got nothing sooo I was trying someone else? That, and I figured that with that list if Anon was scum he'd be the one performing the kill?

---

I'm really not happy witih Pul mimicking the scum tracker bit NOW after the bizarro "he's scum because he's tracked who I think is scum" yesterday.

[SpyreX]

You haven't got to me yet?

How in the hell could I have replied to you saying I am a scum tracker if you haven't got to me?

Cats and dogs, man.

[SpyreX]

Hahahaha

Busted, sucka

Vote: KMD

[SpyreX]

Because the world collapsed yesterday while I was gone on the AWESOMEST WAGON I HATH EVER SEEN.

[SpyreX]

I'm still, nor will I ever, see what was so scummy: I went with KMD versus other things I was trying as the inverse of "scum were on my wagon" - I had a feelin' the one NOT on it would be doing the kill.

Which means I'm p sure the other scum is one of you / pul. Reckoner is pretty much clean in my head right now.

[SpyreX]

Considering the fact that the majority of your Yos case was backhanded "Ohh snap SpyreX is scum" mantra and he got powerbombed before I could even say anything yea thats a great source of information.

And considering that wagon is covered in fat scum another fine point in those other people seeing what you saw.

I'm still very, very curious to what the hell you're waiting on KMD for as well.

[SpyreX]

...

KMD visited Parama.

[SpyreX]

Yea I'd love to see this prod finished and I'm truly filled with shock and or awe at how these lines have came down.

[SpyreX]

What is there to explain?

No one is awesome enough to "support KMD" without him coming in to defend himself. But, oddly enough, you and Anon (the ones I think are far, far more likely to be scum than Reck) seem to be looking for the excuse to vote me (see the allusions to some kind of shocking revelation from Anon and the difference in how you and reck have approached this today).

So, yea, that was dripping with sarcasm. If it wasn't for the whole, ya know, tracking KMD to Parama I'd be worried about the building lylo mislynch I'm watching.

Regardless, Reck-scum makes little sense and at this point pretty much if thats the case its a win.

[SpyreX]

If you were roleblocked how would I have seen you visit?

Not buying in the least.

As for Anon: Yea, watching someone visit the dead player with what we've seen is pretty much 100% gonna be scum. It sure as hell isn't the doc. Nice try though.

[SpyreX]

If KMD had visited someone alive or if, ya know, it wasn't visiting the cleared confirmed player yes it would have been a different conclusion.

However, watching someone visit Parama, the cleared, who is dead. Yea, not sure what mysterious hijinks you were waiting for.

And this being it reeks of hoping KMD claimed something that made sense. Like, ya know, not doc.

[SpyreX]

I've got a real, real hard time stomaching watching a doc visit a dead target.

[SpyreX]

Thats only two votes.

That said thats not what I would have expected.

Unvote

for the moment.

[SpyreX]

I know I'm just trying to parse out what the hell is up with the "welp, good game" at two.

Last ditch effort I suppose.

Vote: KMD

[SpyreX]

If there's an SK, the only one cleared is Reck.

So, same boat different ocean.

[SpyreX]

Anon went no where.

I'm pretty sure I know whats going on but we'll see.

Vote: No Lynch

[SpyreX]

*gasp* Anon went nowhere again.

However, I'm positive he's the last scum. And there is no SK.

Vote: Anon

Its really simple. Why am I not dead?

1.) I am scum.
--- I am not scum.
2.) Me being killed would paint a giant lylo target on someone.
--- This is the important one.

Only

Anon makes sense for this after clamoring for me to get killed all game. When you add that in with the adamancy he's pushed the D1 VC (which apparently I was wrong about), the push on Yos AND the bizarro-dance yesterday with KMD and waiting for my result me dead = Reck pretty much confirmed and down for the lynch.
This is what it has to be because:
3.) Someone framing Anon to look like #2..
--- Killing me would

help that scenario

.

I'm sure of this. Enough to stop from another nolynch cycle.

[SpyreX]

Night 1: Drip went nowhere
Night 2: ??? (I got no result on Dram)
Night 3: Weaboo went nowhere.
Night 4: Yos went nowhere.
Night 5: Anon went nowhere.
Night 6: KMD visited Parama
Night 7: Anon went nowhere.
Night 8: Anon went nowhere.

That should be all of them.

[SpyreX]

Pulindar wouldn't benefit near as much from keeping me alive as Anon would.

[SpyreX]

I've been waiting for this. Wooo

You know I was going to give Spyrex the benefit of the doubt and reread this game once again treating all of you as possible scumbags but Mr. POWERFUL WIZARD decided to come strong with the vote and the lamest reason ever. No time to think Pulindar or Reck could be scum setting this scenario for destroying ourselves. Seriously, I think Spyrex just cleared Pulindar becuase it wouldnt make sense for keeping him alive. lolwut?

If ANYONE believes that all of a sudden you were going to 180 on me I'd love to see it. And, the reason not to is...because I voted for you?

That I came out of the gate, as scum, and limited my options to push for A lynch?

Well.

1. Why the hell the claimed tracker is still alive since what, DAY 5?

2. Why the hell the claimed tracker is voting someone that didnt go anywhere Night 5, when balance reasons scream another POWER ROLE scumbag?

3. Why the hell the claimed tracker that voted KMD as soon as day started and posted this:

1.) To do just this. Because you committed WAY too hard to me being scum. Just long enough to jump off and do whatever else caught your fancy (like that awesome Yos lynch).

And a nice bit of doublespeak in that "DAY 5" capitals like it was eons ago. Considering that, even with me being a Tracker, I'm less of a threat than the gunsmith-confirmed AND the ultra-town Drip well.

2.) We've got a Miller and a Town Godfather in a game with a Gunsmith. We had two extra shots that weren't claimed by ANYONE. Yea, balance is a great argument at this point.

3.) Because I watched him, the scum, go to a confirmed town player and then came up dead? Oddly enough, who was the one waiting around for him to have an excuse for it?

Meta is junk. How's that for meta.

Bullshit. Pulindarscum would benefit with both of us destroying our asses.

Me dead and flipping is a dead Anon in lylo if Pulindar is scum. Keeping me alive makes little sense in that scenario. Only you are dead to rights if I'm dead.

Its either you or me, and it sure as hell isn't me.

Also Spyrex, if I were scum, I dont see no reason to kill Reckoner who thinks you are town since you claimed and is suspected by basically no one. What is my benefit for keeping Reckoner alive, Spyrex?

Interestengly enough, drippereth and parama, the people who had solid town reads on me and scum reads on you are blatantly dead. Welp.

Hmm, I don't know. The fact that I'd SEE YOU KILL RECK maybe?

Yea, thats interesting. Its not like there was no other reasons for those two to take the bullet, right.

Interestingly enough, you've been clamoring for my lynch but when Yos started really going after you Yos gets lynched. Not before going "ohh but SpyreX is a scum tracker" though.

Also, Interestingly enough, sure looks like right when Drip dropped the bull-headed crusade on me you sure changed your tune too.

[SpyreX]

HAHAHA, ohh and lets take a peek at this gem from KMD:

Yos, it was mostly the way you reacted to Nacho's claim and your post today where you voted Anon.

Yep, thats KMD jumping on that awesome wagon.

[SpyreX]

You're asking me a balance question when the FLIPPED ROLES don't make sense with what we have to offer but lets see what could be out there for brevities sake.

* Rolecop
* Roleblocker (real, real doubtful considering)
* Hider
* Doctor
* Driver (real, real doubtful considering)
* Goon
* Some kinda wacky role

My money is on a Goon.

However, since we're playing this OHH SO FUN game:

Why in the name of everything holy would I bus KMD at lylo when I could have done well anything else? (Hint: WIFOM isn't an answer).
Am I a scum tracker or just presciently making everything up?
Why would I go out of my way to clear reck?

And, of course,

Why is it that KMD jumped on the Yos wagon because he voted for you and you were the one that tsk, tsk'd me when I watched him visit?

[SpyreX]

...

Yea, Reck is town.

Although thats not a startling revelation.

The hop is awesome though.

I'm really excited to see what Anon has to say about Reck's look at balance.

[SpyreX]

If we assume Spyrex is telling the truth, we have a gunsmith that targets, a jailkeeper that target,

a tracker that targets

, a very likely town godfather that targets (pretty sure camn is responsible for the second kill night 2) and..

Oooouuuuu

So, if I'm lying about being a tracker why would you have just listed a tracker as part of what targets?

A tracker is a powerful role for the town, not so much for the scum, which makes me think that for balance reasons, Spyrex is once again lying fakeclaiming scumbaggo.

And now I'm just flat lying?

But I was a scum tracker before?

I don't know what else to say. Pul, reread. It HAS to be Anon. If its you good game but seriously.

[SpyreX]

OHH DAG YOU CAUGHT ME

Or, wait, lets look.

Thats only two votes.

That said thats not what I would have expected.

Unvote for the moment.

I know I'm just trying to parse out what the hell is up with the "welp, good game" at two.

Last ditch effort I suppose.

Vote: KMD

Yes, I was caught offguard in lylo for 4 minutes.

lol. It would have been the same scenario. It would be your word against my word. We would be in a hypothetic day 9 with both of us crossvoting and having Pulindar for the hammer.

The difference is that you knew Reck would be more easy to trick since he bought your claim since you made it. I literally have no reason to keep Reck alive. You, definitely have a lot.

So die now. NOW.

And the fact in that scenario a dead Reck points directly at you being scum? Because, in fact, I'd have no reason to kill him?

That was an hypothesis that shows that a town tracker mixed with the pool of town power roles is just too powerful against a scumteam with just a godfather.

Nice misrep, btw.

You're partially right. I missed the "assume SpyreX is telling the truth" business.

Which means instead of what I was looking at you're saying: If SpyreX is telling the truth someone else is lying!

HUZZAH!

----

Nice not answering why I'm not all of a sudden just totally lying instead of a scum tracker. Which is the first thing you said after I claimed. In fact lets really get that out:

Conclusion
There are still some things that dont feel right in the Spyrex claim. Im very close to believe he is a tracker, just for the confirmed targets and such. Which in NO WAY means he is confirmed town. Optimal play is to let Spyrex get another investigation regardless of alignment or if he is town, let scum decide if he is worth the risk. Informational claims, with still some room for lylo, mostly check themselves.

And lets go way back:

Typical attack on a townie player while not trying to forget about his scumpartner, variation of "Vote:town, FoS:scumpartner" maneuver. Yes, this means kmd town, spyrex scum.

Odd how that meshes up with trying to swing that lynch KMD-day on me too.

[SpyreX]

And, of course, the final straw:

Lets assume I'm scum. That means I was scum with KMD. Reck, before that went down said he was pretty sure I was town.

Why wouldn't I have lied and said you performed the kill?

[SpyreX]

Pretty sure those 4 minutes would have been much longer if reckoner hadnt posted this after 2 minutes:

Watching a scum go down with just a toot after the histerics in lylo is something that's gonna give pause, yes.

Yes, recks post was a nice slap of "don't doubt yourself" which, WOAH, worked.

I have zero reason to keep him alive when he is the one thinking you are town and Pulindar leaning to Spyrexscum.

Except that, follow me, that kill wouldn't make sense for me

because he thinks I'm town.

Much like why you didn't kill me before because that flip points directly at you being scum.

Sure. Thats how hypothesis work. If we assume you are telling the truth, then someone else is lying. The point is that based on my hypothesis YOU are not telling the truth about being a town tracker. Balance reasons scream scum tracker.

That was an hypothesis that shows that a town tracker mixed with the pool of town power roles is just too powerful against a scumteam with just a godfather.

A tracker is a powerful role for the town, not so much for the scum, which makes me think that for balance reasons, Spyrex is once again lying fakeclaiming scumbaggo.

These three posts are

all on this page

.

1.) Balance reasons scream scum tracker because the scum is underweighted.
2.) A town tracker is just too powerful against a team where one member

moves each night

.
3.) Scum tracker is not a powerful role.
4.) SpyreX is fakeclaiming.

Look at these 4. This is this page. When you can't even keep your stance clear on this page, yea.

Those things are not mutually exclusive. You are both a scum tracker and lying because you are saying you are a town tracker.

You said I was fakeclaiming. Not that I was scum claiming my actual role. Well, then you did. But.

Nacho bussing both of you in a same post with different intensity its a play that its not normal for a player of his kind. That was a bad read from me, dont try to paint bad reads as scumtells.

Consistent and adamantly bad, hell yes. Especially since it wasn't "one of them are scum" it was "SPYREX (the guy I've been harping about all game) is scum and KMD (the scum godfather) is town!"

Thats not an accident. Or "a bad read".

---

The whole setup speculation is tech because you could damn well be a power role. Or who knows.

Extra points for taking out the miller (which I have to assume was a false positive on the gunsmith). Or the fact that a JK isn't near as much of a help for the gunsmith as a doc. Or a million other things.

---

This game, Spyrex has strategically lurked. Became heavily suspected until he claimed. His reasoner aspect is still intact but he has been far away from being the natural leader he loves to play when he is town and takes a passive stance of going with the flow until eyes turn to him. Do you remember a strong stance of him before going all in with annoying Anon? Nah. He hates to be scum, therefore he doesnt play it natural. His suspicions are weak and forced. Like these games, for example, which reassemble his claiming abilities:

Wooooosh.

Show it. Show me lurking (hint: I was gone a Friday night when Nik got powerbombed). (Double hint: Anon's been harping about there being a scum on that wagon - and he hopped on before Nik even had a real reason to take the rope which, of course, is damn well another reason not to kill me).

Your saying I jumped on Nik instead of arguing against it. Came out and put an early vote on Nacho for lurking.

Then opted to bus KMD in lylo

.

Yessir.

Of course he would say that meta is a retarded argument. He has a well defined meta as town and as scum. He is so transparent and so easy to read its not even funny.

So I'm saying that because I'm scum? Just this game? Lets be clear about this.
Or, in fact, because meta is retarded?

I'm not jumping into that but good job on those choices (hint: one of them I was a cult, the other was a ball of madness).

But, we'll get this really clear because while I wont do it I sure wont stop them from digging at it: you are saying, as scum, I lurk. That I'm not a good scumhunter and never a NATURAL LEADER (caps).

Just want that nice and laid out.

[SpyreX]

If I was scum and it was 3 people left? Yea, even confirmed, you'd be a far better chance than Anon-Pulindar.

Of course that fact is partially why Anon

didn't kill me

.

[SpyreX]

Ohhhh and just so we don't get derailed from FAR more important tidbits there:

1.) Do you think I've been lurking?
2.) Do you think there is any way those statements add up regarding me on this page?

[SpyreX]

Keep on diggin'

Thats exactly my point. Reck, despite not being suspected by anyone, is mysteriously alive for some reason. But you already know it since you just wrote it.

...

And, if you were to kill Reck for

just that reason

it would point at me not being scum because I'd have no reason to kill him. Which, again, isn't good for you.

My stance is pretty clear, good sir. You are a tracker but yaknow, for balance reasons, a scum type of one. So you are lying. Stop beating a dead horse.

A tracker is a powerful role for the town, not so much for the scum, which makes me think that for balance reasons, Spyrex is once again lying

fakeclaiming

scumbaggo.

In what world does fakeclaiming mean "he is the role he is claiming but scum".

Strategically lurking. You missed the Nikanor discussion like the plague. Where were you when Yosa2 got lynched? Where were you when nacho was lynched? You sir, are full of weak stances and convenient periods of disappearing. This.is.not.your.townself.

Wow.

Nikanor's "discussion" was on Friday. Which I was gone from. Saturday, I started getting in the discussion. Especially about the wagon being bizarre BUT his response to it being the lynch worthy part. ODDLY ENOUGH:

Fri Feb 19, 2010 2:01 pm Post subject: 4
Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:55 pm Post subject: 5

Sat Feb 20, 2010 2:47 am Post subject: 1
Sat Feb 20, 2010 2:41 pm Post subject: 2
Sat Feb 20, 2010 2:44 pm Post subject: 3
Sat Feb 20, 2010 5:45 pm Post subject: 4
Sat Feb 20, 2010 5:55 pm Post subject: 5
Sat Feb 20, 2010 6:22 pm Post subject: 6
Sat Feb 20, 2010 6:28 pm Post subject: 7

Hmmm, sure looks like someone else who hopped on early wasn't there for any of it.

Yos is another GREAT example though so lets keep going!

(Note, this takes place when both you and drip insinuated I was LYING ABOUT MY VACATION UNTIL THE 21st):

I'm not sure how this turned into "Yos is a great lynch" either. Starbuck skating and blaming it on the gamespeed? After, of course, being "caught up" enough to be willing to hammer? And then saying that its because we're lynching that she's not playing?

Give me a break.

Yes, that was the day Starbuck got lynched. The next day:

Anon went nowhere last night. Huzzah!

I'm still not seeing the Yos case.

Anndddd speedlynched before I could get home.

And then we got to have our great discussion where I said that wagon was junk and you went "the others saw what I saw, p.s. wait for KMD to fakeclaim"

And Nacho? That wagon I was the second vote on? That I was saying the lurkers were, in fact being scummy about? The one where YOUR REPLY TO was:

Sorry kiddos but this HAS to be done today.

Vote: Spyrex.

Dramonic lynch is pretty non optymal even if he is scum, which honestly Im still pondering.

And while not in disagreement with the Nacho tangent, I really think Spyrex has to go today.

Also, where the hell is Starbuck?

Which segued into the KMD is ULTRA TOWN and SPYREX IS THE VICIOUSEST SCUM.

@Yos - what are you waiting for with Dram? A scum flip he's got a result on orrr?

That said I'm even MORE in favor of the Nacho wagon after Mae's piping in with wanting him to respond (like THIS game was gonna manage a lynch before he could respond).

Votes on Dram are bad votes and need new homes.

Dear game,

What in the hell?

"Ohh yea SpyreX is totally scum see how he put the vote down today that started this wagon on what really smells of scum pushing but hey that doesn't matter because of ???"

Not to mention the weird disparity between me trying to divert los garbagos off clergy yesterday to dram (who jumping on this baffles me but).

Its like bizarro world game and I don't like it.

I really don't like the amount of not votings we have at this point. I'm pretty confident in that list of slakkers the scums be but the fact that we're not even getting ANYTHING ELSE DONE EXCEPT FOR THE MOST APATHETIC WAGON EVER is bothering me quite a bit.

So, yea, lets get a move on.

(So yes, again I obviously lurked through that)

Good we've talked about strategic lurking (going out on a Friday / being on vacation) because, well, by any real measure I haven't been lurking. At all. One bit. More words, more posts, more stances, MORE ANYTHING MEASURABLE than you.

Hypocrisy, thy name is scum.

But, lets continue. Not like we'll get more of it, right??

This page is lylo, Spyrex. Dont play silly.

What the hell does this being lylo have to do with twirling around any which way? I mean, it was SUPER SCUMMY for me to have a simple hesistation but "SpyreX is fakeclaiming. No wait, scum tracker for balance (p.s. tracker is not good for scum)" works a-ok?

And another wonderful coup de gras:

It also interesting to note that even though KMD and Spyrex got clearly in a "at least one of you is scum" scenario after checking their night actions, KMD never voted Spyrex at all. Not even a little suspicion.

Since he went with that "Ohh yea you're totally right but somehow that doesn't make me scum" route that sure wouldn't make sense.

But, you do make another point on why I'm not dead:

Shit, I'm not sure why, but I was looking at one scum left in that last post. Pulindar/Reck are probably both scum.

Also, assuming that either me or Spy is lying because of no quickhammer is probably bad. Looking at times of posts, I haven't seen two of Anon/Pul/Reck online near the same time, so they haven't really had a chance to pull together a quickhammer. Reck pushing that is scummy.

I'm pretty much prepared to lynch either Pul or Reck right now.

Oddly enough, you and I aren't the scum there. Funny.

You know on the lylo day when you wanted to try and push KMD's claim as good and me as bad again even when doc made absolutely no sense.

And then, vanished!

----

TL;DR

Anon is flailing for anything to grab onto and each attempt is awesomer than the last.

[SpyreX]

Funny how now you don't want to turn it into war of quotes after you called me out for something absolutely not true.

And THIS is your starting the awesome wagon:

Vote: Nikanor.

I am that good.

Nika was heavily suspected ONE NIGHT while I was out. Which I said "This wagon was built on garbage BUT you are absolutely right about the response" Which is a mighty fine position to bus in I know rite!

And you really "did take it like a man" when I called out how bad that Yos wagon was - by saying "well, others like KMD saw it too".

And, nah, never taken a stance all game:

I'm not down with the clergy with that being a goon flip. No way is a hydra going to go down protecting a goon.

Camn, Drip, Clergy - town.
Panama - probably town.

That said:

Vote: Dramonic

With his schtick? Calling that wagon garbage? Yea, I am.

If Nik hadn't imploded no way would I have been on that wagon. The wagon was garbage (hint: you even admitted it). The reaction was the key point.

Would scum defend it all the way down considering how sycophantic the wagon was? Doubtful.

Would a scum-hydra actively campaign against it considering how quick the wolves were to the slaughter the day before? Very doubtful.

Do I find it more than a little disconcerting that dramonic lol'd off my vote and no one even mentioned it or asked why I voted in the first place? Hells to the yes.

Dramonic is skating. Hard. While not the only one its more than a little itchy that no one has even mentioned it.

(This post is damn near more than the entirety of what dramonic has posted in the game, fyi - including *GASP* disdain for the Nik wagon)

You've got to be kidding me.

Just because the twister whirl worked once doesn't mean its gonna work again.

Go ahead and compare the iso comments to whats said in iso.

Much like Clergy power defending, MaB getting thrown under the bus by scum at the end isn't biting me as a real scum move.

Ohhh hay game.

Nothing like coming home after the longest day of meetings to see:

1.) Clergy being power-town
2.) Pulindur being power-town
3.) Dramonic twirling a mustache with "HAY LOOK I AM EVIL"

And... now I'm somehow scum if Clergy is scum AND if Dramonic is scum?

Awesome, folks.

Seriously, something like 12 pages in a day is not awesome. Especially this mad clamoring like deadline is looming - when, realistically, its not.

And I'm either scum for mystic voodoo OR "He's town, but could be scum playing me" from... everyone except for Clergy (who I am scum with).

Lets shake the dillo:

TOWN:
Drip
Clergy
Parlindur
Parama
Camn

PROBABLY TOWN:
Anon
Yos*

* If Ythan is scum then I could easily see this whole spat being smoke and mirrors - my individual read is town but that whole exchange is bizzare to say the least.

SCUM ARE HERE:
Dramonic

WHICH LEAVES:
Nacho
McZ
Mae
KMD
Weaboo
Ythan

Of that last set I'm the most irritated.

McZ needs replacing. Nacho is skating. Mae is white noise. Ythan is the god of white noise and its beyond ridiculous at this point. Weaboo is posting more about the white noise than anything else and KMD is stuck in perpetual catchup.

I'd kill this whole damn list and I'd bet on shaking 2 scum out of it. Probably Weaboo and Nacho although I'm really starting to think that Ythan might be up to some truly beautiful (and coached cough *yos* cough) white noise.

But, see, its not all bad. That list, that first one I posted? The list of "THESE PEOPLE ARE TOWN".

Yea. Those people are town. Stop slapfighting and, ya know, lynch dramonic.

Ythan's town.

I REALLY think it'd help overall if we could avoid feeding the white noise, but those answers make sense.

Thats just a bit down but yea nah, never anything. Didn't push for Starbuck when you tried to get Yos lynched the first time either.

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As for "good game" in lylo? Yea, I've probably seen it. Both sides of the spectrum even. And I've probably been taken back by it sometimes and swore at a loss sometimes (and been right AND wrong about it).

Point?

I do love how quickly and often this switches though. Get lynched.

[SpyreX]

Last post in here barring Pul or Reck asking something.

One final question to cut through all of this that I sure didn't see an answer to (although you sure did everything but answer it):

1.) If I was the scum tracker, why did I opt to bus my partner yesterday instead of simply saying you did it?

[SpyreX]

The other stuff can sit because its more smoke and mirrors. There was one piece I was waiting for and, I got it.

Pulindar read this carefully please:

1. WIFOM.
2. So you can push viciously this position as you are today, get yourself semicleared and use poe to mislynch me ftw.

Dont try to paint this scenario as remotely unlikely. You know that bussing your partner in lylo to get semicleared status, specially when one player (reck) is buying the claim, is not unheard of.

Putting 2 points up that are the same thing (considering the alternative was winning the game yesterday if I was scum) lets make this clear:

This is NOT WIFOM. WIFOM, one of those awesome overused items, is a function of equal probabilities. Rationally, if I was scum this is the logical process I would have had to do to get here:

"Hey, I could pull a guilty out at lylo and push for the win. Even if it doesn't work and I get lynched, you can get your kill in and go to three with a bit of actual WIFOM on who would I have targeted to play up if it goes wrong"

"Or, I know! Instead of playing for the win today, I could bus you. Then, you know, not send in a kill to "mess with their minds" - especially since both Anon AND Pulindar have been expressing "he could be a scum tracker" over and over. Ohh yea, and chances are real high there are no other power roles so I'd also get to explain why I'm still alive!"



It isn't WIFOM. This situation directly benefits you because my being dead leaves you in a terrible position if there are three alive. This situation, for me as scum, is categorically worse than playing for the win yesterday.

Pul, look at this real carefully. We're running low on time and as it sits based on what happened with Mae I'm going to be lynched for the loss (or both of us which is fine but I don't see that happening).

[SpyreX]

I'm a little sad I lost because Reck took a moment to unvote and revote versus sticking it on...and then Pul just did nothing all the way through.

The whole business with strategic lurking is pure garbage. Still. Every bit of my counter arguments about that were 100% true and I was (and still am) a little miffed that even the idea that I'd lie about real world stuff for an advantage in this game.

Meta's still junk and the critera that were used for it I'm still not buying and I'd say you'd end up with more OMG SpyreX meta mislynches because I couldn't get a wrap on a game (seriously, Nekomata (the best game I think I've ever played) as a town example? A cult game as a scum? Why not any of the other recent ones where I was a leader and ran things).

I was (I think) leaning towards playing for the win at 5 man but not much. The

idea

was to have KMD claim vig and draw out the real one leaving a plausible reason for me to be alive at 3 person. Welp, he claimed doc, there was no vig, so pretty much screwed.

We had some SERIOUS issues on the mafia side that hurt us (N1

KMD

had to send in the kill and wasn't around, N2 vacation clipped and I never got in mine OR a kill, etc).

So, yea, Nik's fumble and Nacho's explosion + bad night coordination + drip being power town + dram's results make it pretty much unwinnable.

Good game town.

[SpyreX]

Hunting for a vig that didn't "exist" hurt.

Yea, its probably some sour grapes but the night action business.. woosh.

If it wasn't for that vig I would have totally done exactly what I said though: played for the win at 5. Doing what I HAD to do was NOT the scenario I wanted to be in.

[SpyreX]

Anyway, good game, town. This is the first game that I've been on the site where I actually won despite being lynched, so good job, guys. The KMD lynch was especially impressive.

You're welcome!

[SpyreX]

Huh... I'd say you generally need to be pretty careful balancing any setup where the scum doesn't get a regular nightkill. Basically because once the lynchpin of the scum is gone it becomes pretty damn hard for them to win (they can't eliminate obv townies or PRs even if they find them).

I mean... let's say Kmd was lynched before he was able to kill Dramonic. The town could then just NL every day and have dramonic scan absolutely everyone...

If KMD was lynched the "leadership" of the mafia would have passed to someone else alive. So, we should have had a regular night kill. We just weren't being awesome.

[SpyreX]

For scum in the scenario where I had to defend being alive as the only PR left, yea.