Riddle Me This! NY111 - mafia dead - Town wins!

[DizzyIzzyB13]

~Forgive my deletions, but CMAR's post was edited out as well as any responses too it. If you have an issue with that, let me know.~

It's great, I'm just glad that cheat isn't replacing into this game.

[VasudeVa]

I cannot seem to get into this game as much as I would want to. But Anon lynch sounds pretty good right now. Mostly due to iamusername's case.

Vote:Anon

[RichardGHP]

Furcolow, you're not even voting me. Therefore, not OMGUS. Therefore, you fail.

BTW, you got the definition of OMGUS wrong. DOUBLE FAIL!

[Yosarian2]

Richard, can you explain why you're voting furcolow here? I don't see it.

[RichardGHP]

ISO

[Yosarian2]

ISO

Yeah, that dosn't help. I've read all his posts, Richard, and I don't think he's very scummy, even though I was suspicious of his predecessor. Can you point out what posts made you think he was scum?

[iamausername]

mipe - last post 2010-04-22 - 4 days ago
iamausername - last post 2010-04-21 - 5 days ago
zoraster - last post 2010-04-21 - 5 days ago
scotmany12 - last post 2010-04-20 - 6 days ago
Quagmire - last post 2010-04-15 -

11 days ago

MOD: CAN WE GET SOME PRODS HERE STAT

[iamausername]

iamausername - last post 2010-04-21 - 5 days ago

oh wait, this guy just posted, never mind.

[scotmany12]

I'm here. Richard, why do you think Furcolow is scummy?

[The Fonz]

Don't you just love it when a game stalls waiting on the 'I've been real busy, PROMISE I'll post tonight' guy to respond to his wagon?

[Anon]

Don't you just love it when a game stalls waiting on the 'I've been real busy, PROMISE I'll post tonight' guy to respond to his wagon?

hi

[Anon]

I finally got my internetzzz and my life back so the game can stop now stalling when there is yeah, fonzie, three votes on me and almost half of the playerlist needing massive prodding.

but hey, maybe Im just too awesome. So game, REVIVE NOW, I COMMAND YOU!!111one

First of all, have you at least read this or tell me what in my answers dont you like?

So why does ksun not get the same treatment?

First, screwing around, specially in early pages, is not a scumtell in my book. Second, mipe did something that caught my attention. In my iso 10, I posted this.

- Mipe. I strongly suspect his strange vote on me was a strategy for posteriorirty, aka framing me. His vote and quick unvote just dont make any sense. Posterior "why are you not looking at me" is wifomy but sounds fake.

For obvious reasons, these players albeit similiar playstyles, did not get the same treatment from my pov. I had a null read on ksun while I had a scum read on mipe.

If he wants ksun lynched, why is he grilling dahill about his vote?

Because first, dahill is still in my scum spectrum and his ksun voting looked suspicious to me, and when I voted ksun I still had a null, useless read on him. I still maintain what I said in my iso24:

Its interesting to notice that despite ksun being pretty much a "die useless player die" lynch, there are a lot of decent reasoners on it.

So, his reason for voting ksun is that everyone voting mipe is suspect, wheras everyone voting ksun is good, but then after ksun flips scum, he turns around and says "definitely some bussing going on there". I really have trouble seeing that as a product of good intentions.

Yep, there was some bussing there and I never said EVERYONE voting ksun was good and everyone voting mipe is suspect. Yes, my reason to vote ksun was that the mipe wagon was generally stinking and that the wagon I felt more comfortable joining was the ksun wagon despite me having a null read on him. I still maintain that despite the overall townie feeling of the wagon, there is one experienced scumbag hidden in the ksun wagon.

I dont get what are the bad intentions here, when "one scum in the wagon" its just a logical conclusion of a day 1 wagon that lynched scum based on non conclusive scumtells.

[dahill1]

Musical/SATs/APs are all these next two weeks.

So expect waaay less access.

[Shanba]

Hey Anon did you miss my addendum to iama's case?

Also people have responded to your response already.

To people not on the Anon wagon: why not? I'm pretty sure this is the strongest wagon we've had all game (yeah I know, ksun was scum and he was wagonned, but the case was not as strong as the case against Anon is, imho.)

[Furcolow]

he thinks im scummy because i made a case on him, it's as simple as him being a terrible player as mafia

[mipe]

I don't need prods, I'm here <_<

[Furcolow]

To people not on the Anon wagon: why not?

because you're on there and youre scummy

[zoraster]

Vote: RichardGHP

"read him in iso to find out why"? With no guidance? It sounds like someone wants to get credit for leading a wagon without any of the risks that come along.

I don't think Richard is genuinely concerned with lynching scum, so I have to conclude that he is scummy.

[Mr. Chaos]

To people not on the Anon wagon: why not? I'm pretty sure this is the strongest wagon we've had all game (yeah I know, ksun was scum and he was wagonned, but the case was not as strong as the case against Anon is, imho.)

I'm not entirely sure of Anon atm, but I will look at him in ISO if I have time tommorrow.

Also, Izzy, if you have meta regarding Dicks play, plz share kthx.

[The Fonz]

Yeah, to be honest, Anon, claiming that your previous post should have allayed all suspicion of you doesn't really cut it for me. Especially since Iam's case has very little to do with why I'm voting you.

That said, I don't really see how ksun's early play could be characterised as 'dicking around' and mipe's not, especially considering mipe said this:

Shanba should know me well enough that if any of my actions make you think "is he serious?" the answer is "no"!

You went out of your way to make the mipe wagon look inevitable:

Do people really think, shanba et al, that there is another viable wagon besides mipe and that the voters are going to look even at it without a claim or a lynch?

And also said this:

He is basically a distraction that needs to be dealt asap

Which really does beg the question, why is this true only of mipe? Also, a certain amount of have your cake and eat it reasoning here:

Mipe is one of these players that will never replace out and has a stupid playstyle that requieres extreme decisions.

IE, his playstyle is so antitown he requires policy lynching

and yet

And since I think he is faking his easytargetness then I want this to be solved asap.

Well which is it? If he's just a terrible player with a horrible playstyle, that's one thing. If he's capable of playing better, but is playing like a walking newbie card, that's a completely different matter. And, as noted earlier, thinking that forced-replacement is the best way to deal with ksun, but death best for mipe is particularly scummy in the context of what we know.

Also, the idea that he suddenly became worse from ISO8 doesn't, I think, hold water: he appears to be dicking around plenty earlier on.

You claim your reason for supporting the ksun wagon is that 'the mipe wagon basically stank' but you make no reference to this until very late on. It didn't stink when you were pushing it right up to l-2. Or did it?

Also, you are misrepresenting your role on the ksun wagon. You claim this:

..I think this is an extremely important votecount, before I voted ksun and the wagon that lynched him grew inmediately.

ie, that you voted, then it grew rapidly after that. In fact, yours was the very last of four votes placed in quick succession: Izzy, Vasude, Richard, then you. Pretty much the definition of 'piling on.' Izzy votes at 12:02AM BST, Vasude at 12:54, Richard at 1:00, and you at 1:20.

[DizzyIzzyB13]

To people not on the Anon wagon: why not? I'm pretty sure this is the strongest wagon we've had all game (yeah I know, ksun was scum and he was wagonned, but the case was not as strong as the case against Anon is, imho.)

I'm not entirely sure of Anon atm, but I will look at him in ISO if I have time tommorrow.

Also, Izzy, if you have meta regarding Dicks play, plz share kthx.

One game does not make a meta. His play in this game, however, is entirely consistent with his terrible play in a game in which he was confirmed to be a town-aligned Jack of All Trades.

[DeathNote]

Vote Count

PaltryExcuse- Anon, Yosarian2 (L-7)
Furcolow- mipe, dizzyizzyB13, RichardGHP (L-6)
Yosarian2- Quagmire (L-8)
Quagmire- inHimshallibe (L-8)
Anon- iamausername, Shanba, VasudeVa, The Fonz (L-5)
inHimshallibe- dahill1, PaltryExcuse, Furcolow (L-6)
RichardGHP- scottmany12, zoraster (L-7)

Not Voting:

Mr. Chaos

With 17 alive, its 9 to lynch.

~They are all couples.~

[The Fonz]

I'm voting Anon, not inHim.

[The Fonz]

Oh, and nowNewbie 926 is done, I suggest at the very least those of you voting him go and look at it. Because, Izzy, 'he always plays this badly' is at least as appropriate a defence of Furc as it is of Richard.

[Yosarian2]

Actually, other then the unnecessary semi-claim, I don't even think furclaw is playing badly.