Mini 932: Let's all be friends (Over)

[Hoopla]

Cue/Don/Sotty - what do you make of Sean suddenly claiming to have received no result after two nights in a row of investigations?

I won't say it isn't strange but it could be the result of any number of things. If we are in a 2:1:9 setup I'd have to believe the scum have some kind of power, maybe they have been using a roleblock on the docs.

What's the point in roleblocking the doctors if they aren't killing who they're protecting? It seems quite obvious to me scum are using Snow White as a reason to keep the Gunsmith-fakeclaim alive, and the questions off him.

There are two options left; scum has a roleblocker, or Sean is scum.

If you think Sean is town, then you need to explain why scum are blocking Sean now, and have chose to leave him alive all this time, when they could have blocked Snow and killed Sean any time before then. Hell, a Snow block N1, and Sean kill then would have been a pretty standard scum move to get a Snow mislynch the next day and prevent a lucky investigation on themselves.

One possibility is scum's other role is also a powerrole that investigation immune to Sean and were fishing for an innocent on themselves to take home to endgame. But is this as likely as Sean-scum? No way.

[Cuetlachtli]

From what Sean has said, it looks like a role block with two purposes.

1. To push suspicion on to Sean.

2. To push suspicion on to whoever Sean investigated as a possible "role blocker."

vote: no lynch

[Hoopla]

Why wasn't he blocked (or anyone else?) on previous nights then?

[Cuetlachtli]

There are two options left; scum has a roleblocker, or Sean is scum.

Actually there are three options.

The scum could have a bus driver, who could manipulate Sean's reports.

[Hoopla]

So scum has a roleblocker AND a busdriver?

[Cuetlachtli]

A bus driver could see an advantage in keeping Sean around. Maybe the bus driver could get lucky and manipulate Sean to falsely clear himself or his buddy.

[Cuetlachtli]

So scum has a roleblocker AND a busdriver?

I dunno, I am assuming that the scum are powerful since there are only two of them.

[Hoopla]

Or maybe they don't need to be so powerful if a gunsmith doesn't exist. I find it really weird how you're not looking at any possibilities of Sean-scum, but are perfectly okay with Bus-Driver (and whatever else) speculations.

[don_johnson]

maybe scum has a "priest" and was hoping to get investigated. weren't you the one who mentioned the possibility of a priest over and over before you claimed to an fbi agent?

also, how is scum supposed to know who snow white is protecting? because she says she's going to do something doesn't mean she's going to do it. scum may have been blocking her to remove the chance that she tried to protect someone else.

also, what other roles might scum have besides roleblocker considering you don't think sean is town? there wouldn't be any point in having a "priest" role if town doesn't actually have a gunsmith, would there? the role which counters motion detector is something like "ninja", isn't it?

willing to lynch hoop. she's flailing. someone hammer the no lynch and let scum make their shot.

snow white, do not protect anyone. scum, if you no kill i am replacing out.

[Cuetlachtli]

Or maybe they don't need to be so powerful if a gunsmith doesn't exist. I find it really weird how you're not looking at any possibilities of Sean-scum, but are perfectly okay with Bus-Driver (and whatever else) speculations.

Because if I act like there are clears maybe the scum will kill him tonight.

So why push suspicion on SW? Well, I needed to tell everyone that theory in case I died tonight.

[Cuetlachtli]

Ok so Sean is voting Hoopla and DJ and Sotty have said they are willing to lynch Hoopla.

Remember guys, if Hoopla is inno, it only takes two townies to fail...

I personally would like to see thorough cases from Sean, DJ, and Sotty on Hoopla. Accountability is the town's number one tool against scum LYLO blitz lynches.

[Hoopla]

It's okay Cue. Sean is scum, so there won't be a speedlynch.

[don_johnson]

interesting. let's test the theory.

i'm going with hoop/cue.

fuck it.

unvote, vote: hoopla

cue: i spent the entire day yesterday building a case against hoop and you completely ignored it. now you guys are talkin like buddies. makes no sense unless you are both scum.

[Cuetlachtli]

interesting. let's test the theory.

i'm going with hoop/cue.

fuck it.

unvote, vote: hoopla

cue: i spent the entire day yesterday building a case against hoop and you completely ignored it. now you guys are talkin like buddies. makes no sense unless you are both scum.

I didn't ignore your case. I just didn't buy it.

Can you explain why Hoop and I are scum buddies?

[don_johnson]

that question is a bit irrelevant at the current time. you could be hoop's partner, it could be sotty, or it could be snow. i doubt its ds, two scum claiming power roles would be an awfully risky gambit me thinks. do you think hoop is scum? you claim that accountability is important here, so why don't you tell us what you think? what about my case didn't you buy? have you read the particular post i referenced in my case(i believe it was 382, maybe?) read it and tell me if that post and the few after it come from someone who has the role of "fbi agent". then we can talk. i'm pretty sure you "ignored" my case yesterday because i don't remember engagin in any pertinent discussion with you about that post and imo its very telling.

[Sotty7]

Sorry I have been swamped these last few days. Tomorrow should be better and I can give this game a proper re-read.

[julienvonwolfe]

Good news: there's light at the end of the tunnel in mod's busy student world. Bad news: it's a long tunnel. Sorry about the lack of a deadline or votecounts so far, but there is now a deadline and I will really try to be better about votecounts.

Vote Count No. 27:

No lynch (2) - Hoopla, Cuetlatchtli,
Hoopla (2) - DisgruntledSean, don_johnson

Not Voting: Snow White, Sotty7

With 6 alive it takes four to lynch.

Deadline

Mod, can you tell us the flavor of the SK kills? Gun shot? Stabbing etc?

I have no system for designation of kills as you describe.

[Hoopla]

Appologies for the lack of activity on my behalf recently - I've been having real problems accessing the site for any substancial period of time (I suspect others might be having this problem too).

Anyway, I'm here to say, lets no lynch this baby up - my wagon is going to LOSE the game. Sean has claimed 'no result' without any evidence of a roleblocker existing in this game. Why wouldn't scum roleblock him earlier, or even roleblock Snow and kill Sean after? How can you guys simple gloss over this detail and be satisfied with my lynch. My claim syncs with the set-up. Sean's doesn't. There isn't even any flavour for kills to indicate his role is truthful.

[Sotty7]

Board slowness has hampered my re-read. I will try again tomorrow.

I actually hadn't noticed that the kills were just "so-and-so was killed" that is kinda strange with a confirmed SK in the game. I would have thought there would be distinguishing kills. Hoop why do you think scumSean would suddenly claim no result when he could claim a gun on someone for the near win?

I am happy to no lynch, but I still need to do some reading.

[don_johnson]

unvote, vote no lynch

hoop has points here and no lynch can't hurt. ds scum would be running out of targets here and claiming roleblock would be the best move. lets see what happens.

[Hoopla]

Hoop why do you think scumSean would suddenly claim no result when he could claim a gun on someone for the near win?

I don't know. It seems like a big risk claiming a gun result in mylo, no? I certainly wouldn't trust it - in the same way I wouldn't trust a cop claiming a guilty in mylo, because it makes it too convenient. Remember, if Sean claims a gun on someone, and HE is lynched instead, then it almost certainly confirms that player as innocent. Claiming no result is a much safer option to prevent his own lynch, and especially if his partner is someone unlikely to be lynched too.

The sudden claim of no result, seems like an attempt to set someone up as a roleblocker, maybe me, or someone who hasn't been cleared by Budja. Don also has a point, that Sean is running out of targets, and if they deemed claiming a guilty on someone in mylo too risky, then this isn't a bad play, because the immediate question people would ask is, why would scum do that? But then, Sean would need a pretty competant teammate to pull this off, because it is pretty gambity.

I just can't find a way to balance a set-up with a Gunsmith for a 2-scum team. A roleblocker and a role-immune scum is a must, but then what is the point of having a gunsmith if he can only find one scum? Seems pointless. How does this role fit for town?

[Sotty7]

You make some good points.

Unless there is anything else to talk about I will hammer no lynch.

[DisgruntledSean]

i just can't accept all the PR's are real
by process of elimination hoop must be scum
and i get this puzzling result and she comes charging forward, gameplan in hand,
just like she's been a big part of the last two mislynches

if scum tried to Nk Cruelty N1, they would know he was bullet proof, as he survived.
fbi agent is risky as there could be another, but budja's motion detector serves well as the counter-part to the SK
the fact that Cruelty attacked hoopla late Day 1 makes the theory sit well

while at first i the thought the gun-carrying fbi agent was a funny game mechanic with my gunsmith, now i just think it's cleverly reactionary to my role,
so long as we didn't lynch her the claim would be accepted.

hoopla: if you think i'm scum why aren't you voting for me?

Cue, why did you vote for Budja yesterday?

[don_johnson]

*yawn*

soooo.....

[Hoopla]

That's nice Sean. Someone hammer no lynch and we'll deal with it tomorrow.

MOD:

Prod Snow White please.