mini 943- Greek Mythology! (And the winner is... ?)

[Iecerint]

I vote for a Pikachu-attacks-crying-ball avatar.

[CryMeARiver]

I vote for a Pikachu-attacks-crying-ball avatar.

Or...

[CryMeARiver]

For some reason, I doubt the mod would have a problem with this, so I'm going to go ahead and make the account and send Almaster the password...suggestions for a name?

[ooba]

Fine. I am Poseidon. I am a JOAT with 1 shot protect, 1 shot investigate, and 1 shot roleblock. Flavor regarding my role amounts to me having many skills. I want to take revenge for the death of Zeus and stop Hades. My special power is to roleblock everyone.

Trust me now? And ooba, your double scum theory with Poseidon and Hades in each of them is rubbish.

Something which seems contradictory to me .. Should have caught this when you claimed JoAT ..

Everyone has

one power

and one special power.

Are ye a scum roleblocker?

[Iecerint]

^ I thought about that, but I also thought about the circumstance with VV's ability.

[LordChronos]

@ooba

Not contradictory, as my one power is to be a JOAT. If you find my claim contradictory, why not go after Iec and SD for being masons who also got to make an investigation?

No, I am not a scum roleblocker.

[Shadow Dancer]

Normally I would oppose a Hydra player, but right now it does not matter that much, I think, so I endorse it if it helps to keep a player actively in game.

@LC:

thesis:
Thanks, LC, great claim. We know that Poseidon is in game and if there is no counter claim it means it is genuine. That also validates FF's town investigation.

That also eliminates 2:2:8 theory and makes the two scum among JohJackPlum theory very likely.

antithesis (WIFOM theories):
2:2:8 is correct and LC, probably with FF is scum. By full claiming he tries to take the bull by the horns, make us trust him, even possibly protect him (Poseidon counter).

I cannot think about any other possibility right now. And I do not think my antithesis is very evident... So... JohJackPlum is the cattle of the day.

My opinion right now: Let's quicklynch Joh and see waht happens.

Other's thoughts?

[ooba]

@ooba

Not contradictory, as my one power is to be a JOAT. If you find my claim contradictory, why not go after Iec and SD for being masons who also got to make an investigation?

No, I am not a scum roleblocker.

Just wanted to clear that from your end.

I was assuming that their one-shot was not part of their role but something else (Don't want to go into too much detail here).

Hmm .. I believe your claim - because your play on D2 gives me town vibes for the most part. This also means I've got to rethink the game setup. either the mod ignored the case of you getting the Zeus counter and hammering Hades to be negligible or there's some other factor in play.

SD: Why quicklynch him? Lets wait for his claim - evaluate - and then see if he is the play for the day ..

[Iecerint]

We've sorta been waiting for his claim for ages innit.

[LordChronos]

Joh won't claim cause he isn't at L-1, right?

[ooba]

I guess thats what he means when he says this ...

You also seem to become a bit restless and want me to claim ahead of schedule in post 715.

@LC, But if you're planning to vote, I think you should hold on - I think our best move would be to have you hammer? Others, thoughts?

[Iecerint]

V/LA this weekend. I'm visiting family. I'll try to get a post or so in.

I'm OK with LC hammering. Hades is less likely to be the JohJackPlum scum IMO, though.

[Andrius]

There was only one kill N1, which Alma had claimed. I had a town result on Alma, but I was leery of GFs and so on. So I was trying to figure out why there was only one kill. Knowledge that there may have been a blocked kill ("or something") would support my town result on Alma.

Ooba's probably right; LC was probable why the NK stopped N1, with the protection. Assuming that the mafia hit Ooba, that is.

@Andrius: You must have been really tired when you wrote your post, right?

It was 2am. And I might have altitude sickness, from the adjustment. I always seem to get altitude sickness when I drive from here to there. So yeah. I'm not feeling "peachy".

Why do you think Ooba might be scum?

I didn't mean: "he's scum". He just isn't a confirmed townie.

He did not. It was a trap to porvoke a discrepance in Alma/Cry's claims, possibly revealing a lie/gambit by Alma/Cry.
From a WIFOM point of view it was either Jack scum hunting or scum Jack trying an easy blind shot at an innocent and anive townie...

Yeah, I picked that up the second time 'round.

Fine. I am Poseidon. I am a JOAT with 1 shot protect, 1 shot investigate, and 1 shot roleblock. Flavor regarding my role amounts to me having many skills. I want to take revenge for the death of Zeus and stop Hades. My special power is to roleblock everyone.

Trust me now? And ooba, your double scum theory with Poseidon and Hades in each of them is rubbish.

At first I thought it was believeable.
Then I wondered if the Poseidon would be a JOAT. It seems a bit weak.

I am against a quicklynch. I, personally, would love to sleep on it, and hope I'm not still dizzy and nauseus tomorrow, and move on from there.

[CryMeARiver]

Can someone organize the flavor claims as well as powers in one place for me please? I would do it myself, but I'm cramming for the AP US History exam. Thanks

[Shadow Dancer]

We need to get Joh at L-1 with some one willing to hammer, then he will claim (he said so). We can still start a ne waggon or rearrange the hammerer depending on his claim then. However, we need to get a majority quickly, because time is running short.

@Cry: R = Rolename; P = Power; SP = Special Power

D1:

- Alma, former SV, now you, claims R Ares, P Vig, SP unstoppable Vig.
- VV claims P Rolecop, SP Bomb. Bomb is obviously fake, he is lynched, reclaims rolereveal of hammererer/killer (VV was town).
- Ooba is revealed as Athena for hammering VV (most likely town alligned)

N1:

- only 1 kill occurs (townie SB)

N2:

- D2 is skipped (some one using his SP?), N2 is a no kill night (all killing abilities disabled) and other things happen (p.e. a shit load of invetigations flying around, I also do not understand the hidden mechanics behind it ), so the dayskipper was probably protown.

D3:

- Alma claims SB kill, loss of his Vig P and gain of a new P
- Ooba confirms that Alma had killing ability (so he is power cop or some kind of tracker)
- Iec and me claim P town confirmed mason
- also both of us claim 1 shot investigations in irregular N2 (as I said: lots of crazy stuff, do not ask, 'cause I do not know either , could be modding bastardry), Iec on Alma, me on Andrius, both with "town" results
- LC claims R Poseidon, P JOAT (1 shot doc, 1 shot allignment cop, 1 shot roleblock), SP universal roleblock. He also claims N1 protection on Ooba (hence explaining why there was only 1 kill N1) and N2 "town" investigation on FF.

That leaves us with

- me an Iec confirmed town (masons)
- Ooba most likely town (we know he is Athena and Athena is most likely a town role)
- SV/Alma/you likely town (all claims fit, innocent investigation by confirmed townie Iec)
- Andrius investigated innocent (by me, also confirmed townie), either genuine townie or mafia GF/SK (the same goes for SV/Alma/you and probalby FF)
- FF investigated innocent by LC, see below.
- LC either being genuine town poseidon or being mafia poseidon with Alma and probably FF
- that leavs JackJohPlum with neither claims nor invetigations nor (that's the pity) any solid cases on their sleeves...

What could prevent a poseidon counter claim would be SB having been poseidon. In that case LC would also be scum.

Anything I forgot?

We try to make Joh claim ATM, btw, so if you just voted him it would help us a lot.

[Shadow Dancer]

LC, I am not sure if I understand your SP claim 100% correctly. If you used your SP this night, what would happen? Would it disable all Ps? Or all Ps and SPs? Or only all scum Ps or alls scum Ps and SPs? Or some other combination?

[ooba]

Can someone organize the flavor claims as well as powers in one place for me please? I would do it myself, but I'm cramming for the AP US History exam. Thanks

I was about to say it'd help scum but I am pretty sure they are already on top of these things

What we know of roles due to claims\confirms so far:

CMAR(AlGm)

Role Name:

Ares

Power:

Vig

Super:

Unstoppable Vig

Authenticity: Vig power confirmed by ooba claim

VV

Role Name:

Aphrodite

Power:

Cop (apparently has seduce in the wording )

Super:

Reveals rolename of hammerer\killer on death

Authenticity: Super confirmed by Mod action. Other stuff also confirmed since he had no reason to lie.

Ooba

Role Name:

Athena

Power:

??

Super:

??

Authenticity: Rolename confirmed by Mod action (VV's special)

LC

Role Name:

Posiedon

Power:

JoAT with one-shot protect, investigate and roleblock

Super:

Roleblocks all normal powers for one night

Authenticity: Indeterminate. Lack of kills on N1 points to a protect though.


Iece and SD masons with each other. Alignment confirmed.

What we know of night actions due to claims\confirms so far:

N1:

Claim:

CMAR(AlGm) kills SB - unstoppable vig special

Claim:

LC protects ooba - JOaT:One-shot protect

N2:

Claim:

Iece investigates CMAR(AlGm) - ??? - Town-aligned

Claim:

SD investigates Andruis - ??? - Town-aligned

Claim:

LC investigates FF - JOaT:One-shot investigate - Town-aligned

Claim:

Ooba "investigates" CMAR(AlGm) normal power - ??? - knows it was(is?) a "Vig" ability

I've just revealed the confirmed\claimed parts. Not going to mention speculation or non-claimed parts here since it requires a re-think.

[Shadow Dancer]

Claim:

CMAR(AlGm) kills SB - unstoppable vig special

Did he claim using his SP? Why should he have done that?

Claim:

Ooba "investigates" CMAR(AlGm) normal power - ??? - knows it was(is?) a "Vig" ability

I thought it just cofirmed a

killing

ability, not neccesarily "Vig"?!

[Shadow Dancer]

@mod: Votecount please.

@Joh, Jack Plum, FF (especially FF): Please contribute.

[ooba]

Claim:

CMAR(AlGm) kills SB - unstoppable vig special

Did he claim using his SP? Why should he have done that?

Yup - he used his unstoppabale. Not sure if he claimed it (could have missed it). But CMAR said so in the last page.

Claim:

Ooba "investigates" CMAR(AlGm) normal power - ??? - knows it was(is?) a "Vig" ability

I thought it just cofirmed a

killing

ability, not neccesarily "Vig"?!

Vig for all purposes - can kill one player unless in the cases of roleblock or protection. The power did not have the word vig though. Hence the "".

[LordChronos]

LC, I am not sure if I understand your SP claim 100% correctly. If you used your SP this night, what would happen? Would it disable all Ps? Or all Ps and SPs? Or only all scum Ps or alls scum Ps and SPs? Or some other combination?

IF I use my power, it blocks all normal powers from being used. Not supers, just normals. This includes mafia kills.

[ooba]

LC, I am not sure if I understand your SP claim 100% correctly. If you used your SP this night, what would happen? Would it disable all Ps? Or all Ps and SPs? Or only all scum Ps or alls scum Ps and SPs? Or some other combination?

IF I use my power, it blocks all normal powers from being used. Not supers, just normals. This includes mafia kills.

Does it specifically say Normal powers AND mafia kills? In that case, the theory that CMAR's power might be a proxy for the mafia kill might be wrong..

[DeathNote]

Vote Count

AlmasterGM- Johoohno (L-5)
Jack- AlmasterGM (L-5)
Flava Flav- Andrius, Jack (L-4)
Plum- Flava Flav (L-5)
Johoohno- Iecerint, ShadowDancer, Plum, Ooba (L-2)

Not Voting:

Lord Chronos

With 10 alive, its 6 to lynch.

Prods going out as necessary.

CryMeARiver and AlmasterGM have now been allowed to post on a hydra. Please only use that Hydra though and not your actual account.

[LordChronos]

LC, I am not sure if I understand your SP claim 100% correctly. If you used your SP this night, what would happen? Would it disable all Ps? Or all Ps and SPs? Or only all scum Ps or alls scum Ps and SPs? Or some other combination?

IF I use my power, it blocks all normal powers from being used. Not supers, just normals. This includes mafia kills.

Does it specifically say Normal powers AND mafia kills? In that case, the theory that CMAR's power might be a proxy for the mafia kill might be wrong..

No, I asked the mod whether mafia kills were both blocked and he said they were.

[Johoohno]

@ Poseidon:

Do not counter claim LC.

Unvote; Vote: LordChronos

Might as well claim here since it serves town: I have the ability to look for counters and LC does not have one (I found out N2). I'll keep my N1 choice secret for now.

@ LC:

Explain yourself.

I will be on for an hour or so now, while reading up on another game.