Riddle Me This! NY111 - mafia dead - Town wins!

[Shanba]

Unvote

definitely worth keeping around for a while.

Vote RickyGHP

[The Fonz]

Bah,

unvote, vote: VasudeVa

I stand by what I said about at least one of the three being a bus, so I don't hate on the Richard wagon, but tbh I don't want to lynch one of the very few people clearly making an effort when there's a lurker who's as scummy.

[zoraster]

Deadline is in two days. Do you think you can successfully lead a lynch on VasudeVa with that type of "meh" attitude in that time?

unvote. Vote: RichardGHP

[The Fonz]

Deadline was in three days when I replaced in and got ksun lynched, wasn't it? I think that this game might well die if we lynch an active player, and a couple of other actives die overnight. My big worry before the claim was that we'd end up with default wagon of anon followed by default wagon of Richard if he flipped town. Default wagons are bad, and rarely hit scum. Vasude is at least as scummy as Richard, and less useful if he's town.

Really, though, we shouldn't be required to lynch with half the town absent.

[Mr. Chaos]

If any townie is still inteterested in winning, you should prob wait for a replacement.

Im an even night vigilante.

Snap.

Unvote; Vote: Richard

Most of his "case" against Fur is Ricky pointing out Fur's vote jumping, something Rick is just as guilty of.

Deadline was in three days when I replaced in and got ksun lynched, wasn't it? I think that this game might well die if we lynch an active player, and a couple of other actives die overnight. My big worry before the claim was that we'd end up with default wagon of anon followed by default wagon of Richard if he flipped town. Default wagons are bad, and rarely hit scum. Vasude is at least as scummy as Richard, and less useful if he's town.

Really, though, we shouldn't be required to lynch with half the town absent.

I have an idea. If Anon is really the ENV, then let him knock out Vas tonight instead. If we want the ricky wagon to come out on top in 2 days we need all the active people we can get on it.

[The Fonz]

I'm not short of time over the next two days. If that's the only game in town, fine, but i think it being the only game in town is a disaster.

[Shanba]

I'm not short of time over the next two days. If that's the only game in town, fine, but i think it being the only game in town is a disaster.

I agree, but that doesn't stop mr chaos' point being true. We've had woeful activity thus far in this game.

Deadline rules mean it shouldn't matter too much, though, as plurality lynches. Only thing to look out for is a residual anon wagon being the largest one at deadline.

Fonz: what's your case on VaVa? I know there have been a few thrown around and I don't really agree with many of them, so I'd like to hear what you're thinking.

[DizzyIzzyB13]

Hmmm.

vote: VasudeVa

, I guess.

[The Fonz]

3) What do you perceive as optimum scum strategy given a large normal setting on day one?

Thank you.

3) Hide in large bandwagons. Too good to resist. Will be watching for that.

Vasude was on the dahill wagon, on the mipe wagon, and jumped the ksun wagon after it had become the largest wagon. Today, he has voted for both Richard and Anon.

I'm going to leave the *badtheory* part, since it's been done to death.

I wasn't convinced before, but I am now. He does try to get attention away from him(and does a bad job at it). I'm comfortable with the attention I have on me(Although I do piss poor job at posting my reactions to them), but he is trying to save his ass by getting mine lynched.

Vote dahil

BTW, thanks for the insightful posts.

OMGUS, and also the faint smell of 'too defensive.' Town under attack

should

still be scumhunting.

Finally, activity seems to be picking up. mipe's wagon is still legit. However Paltry seems promising. I am liking Anon's accusations so far: every accusation he has make sense and do not feel like accusations for the sake of accusation. I disagree with ksun, he seems more likely to be a VI rather than scum.

Vasude subsequently votes both ksun and Anon. Note that Vasude clearly indicates a preference for mipe over ksun here, but later switches to ksun with no reasoning. He also says he's fine with (in his own words) policy lynching FFFF, but defends ksun on the grounds that he's just a VI. Difference between ksun and FFFF; negligible, and what difference there was made ksun scummier.

I'm thinking of a possible scum group effort to steer away from mipe's lynch. Votals feel so chainsaw defense-ish. . Although, it really sucks that we know nothing of anyone's alignment so far, hence these theories are baseless.

This close to deadline though, I think I'll go with the wagon with the townier vibes.

vote: ksun

I pointed out the scummishness of this post before; having cake and eating it syndrome of calling the ksun wagon the 'one with townier vibes' at the same time as saying it feels like a chainsaw defence of mipe. Also, placing his vote on ksun on the first opportunity after it had become the leading wagon.

Yos is definitely scummy. His post here feels like it's grasping, and I disliked how he handled D1. Although, I still would like to know mipe's alignment, to further analyze the votals D1.

Today, more scummy wagon-for-information reasoning.

I like how Fur saw the connection between ksun/Anon/Richard with the requests for replacement though. Players don't PM mods for replacements, and town couldn't care less about ksun's shitty play. Scum do since ksun was a power role hence the requests. Good call, good call. Richard completely had me fooled though, he was a town read for me because I empathized with all the newbie bashing going his way but not anymore so I think I'mma ride the bandwagon thataway.

So, we have Vasude arguing that Yos' tunnelling is scummy, and voting the same player for similar reasons.

I can't help but feel that I'm a good choice for competing wagon so here's to discourage scum. Don't do it.

Why would he want to discourage SCUM? That's just weird. Not scummy, but seriously odd.

I cannot seem to get into this game as much as I would want to. But Anon lynch sounds pretty good right now. Mostly due to iamusername's case.

Vote:Anon

Person C.

Also, note the same thing you saw in Richard: anytime anyone puts particular effort into making a case, he goes along with it. Any time anyone confronts him over anything, he backs down or makes excuses.

[scotmany12]

scotmany, exactly how confident are you that I'm scum? What about you, Yos?

Very confident.

I'll comment more on other stuff in a little bit. I have a headache now and have to meet someone in about 2 hours.

[VasudeVa]

@Fonz: Is the reason why you are organizing a sudden deadline lynch on me only because I have been inactive and not posty? To tell you the truth, this game is moving far too slowly and it simply hasn't caught on to me internally. I kept promising some rereads and w/e, but the lack of overall player involvement is seriously de-motivating and thus procrastination ensued. >.>

I'm town though. I think my involvement in what eventually lead the ksun lynch should have given me some town cred. Check it out. See here, Izzy votes and thus making ksun the top of the votals by one over mipe and Richard. Now, if I were scum, why would I make one of the decisive votes that led to ksun's eventual lynch? More over, why would I bus my partner who would probably be replaced soon anyway? Unless of course, the scum team is {mipe, Richard, me, ksun}(lol, worst scumteam ever), there was no reason to bus this early.

I think this has given me enough town cred to last me this day at the very least(more probably, due to the activity level of this game >.>).

Further questions?

In other news, this game needs more activity. And

unvote

. I somewhat believe the claim.

[Anon]

While Deathnote searches for my replacement, Id go ahead and say that Vasudeva is prob town, mostly for day 1 massive interactions with shea. The guy is not scared of answering.

I def think Richard is more likely to hit scumbag. And Paltry but nobody listens.

Unvote Vote: Richard.

Shanba might as well be scum as well.

[The Fonz]

Hey, CANDYMAN!

@Fonz: Is the reason why you are organizing a sudden deadline lynch on me

only

because I have been inactive and not posty?

Of course not, and no-one who's put one iota of effort into reading what I just said, or what i said earlier, could think so. My main reason for suspecting you is that you seemed to support policy lynches on all the lurkers EXCEPT FOR THE ONE WHO WAS SCUM, and then abruptly changed your mind when he became the leading wagon.

I'm town though. I think my involvement in what eventually lead the ksun lynch should have given me some town cred. Check it out. See here, Izzy votes and thus making ksun the top of the votals by one over mipe and Richard.

Yes, I saw that. Did you miss the bit when I said 'I am basically certain that at least one of Richard, Anon and Vasude is bussing?' On the basis that all of you piled on immediately after ksun became the leading wagon with little or no reasoning. The reason you would do it as scum is obvious- PRECISELY because you thought it would give you town cred.

Now, if I were scum, why would I make one of the decisive votes that led to ksun's eventual lynch? More over, why would I bus my partner who would probably be replaced soon anyway? Unless of course, the scum team is {mipe, Richard, me, ksun}(lol, worst scumteam ever), there was no reason to bus this early.

I think this has given me enough town cred to last me this day at the very least(more probably, due to the activity level of this game >.>).[/quote]

Craplogic. Your partner was in the lead, was the wagon with most momentum, and deadline was impending. He might have been in line for replacement, but it wasn't going to be before the deadline, and there were other players in line to be replaced before him.

Further questions?

Can you please read the motherloving case?

[Anon]

Chaos and Fonzie are also prob town for reaction to my claim.

[Mr. Chaos]

Chaos and Fonzie are also prob town for reaction to my claim.

Interesting. Any reason Zoraster and Shanba are not included in this?



Also, @Fonz:

I really don't think a Vas counterwagon is going to gain too much steam at this point, and while I appreciate someone making a counterwagon, IMO I'm kinda doubtful it will happen today.

[Mr. Chaos]

Chaos and Fonzie are also prob town for reaction to my claim.

Interesting. Any reason Zoraster and Shanba are not included in this?



Also, @Fonz:

I really don't think a Vas counterwagon is going to gain too much steam at this point, and while I appreciate someone making a counterwagon, IMO I'm kinda doubtful it will happen today.

[Anon]

Chaos and Fonzie are also prob town for reaction to my claim.

Interesting. Any reason Zoraster and Shanba are not included in this?

fonz started the unvote wagon and you blatantly tried to direct my kill.

it might also help the prob town read I had from both of you before these events.

[The Fonz]

Also, @Fonz:

I really don't think a Vas counterwagon is going to gain too much steam at this point, and while I appreciate someone making a counterwagon, IMO I'm kinda doubtful it will happen today.

You're forgetting something very important.

[VasudeVa]

Of course not, and no-one who's put one iota of effort into reading what I just said, or what i said earlier, could think so. My main reason for suspecting you is that you seemed to support policy lynches on all the lurkers EXCEPT FOR THE ONE WHO WAS SCUM, and then abruptly changed your mind when he became the leading wagon.

Sooo, I can't change my mind if I'm town? And that was one post. Eventually, I changed my mind. Plus, ksun was the VI-iest of the lurkers(has the least posts and the least intelligent ones too). In fact, I was surprised he flipped scum.

Yes, I saw that. Did you miss the bit when I said 'I am basically certain that at least one of Richard, Anon and Vasude is bussing?' On the basis that all of you piled on immediately after ksun became the leading wagon with little or no reasoning. The reason you would do it as scum is obvious- PRECISELY because you thought it would give you town cred.

...at the cost of a Mafia power role at D1? Uh, okay. I still hold that I am one of the more decisive votes that lead to the lynch though.

Craplogic. Your partner was in the lead, was the wagon with most momentum, and deadline was impending. He might have been in line for replacement, but it wasn't going to be before the deadline, and there were other players in line to be replaced before him.

What do you mean 'craplogic'?. Three wagons:

mipe - PaltryExcuse, VasudeVad, ksun482, sorasagoof, RichardGHP, FeFiFoFum (L-5)
RichardGHP- scotmany12, Mipe, Yosarian2, Quagmire, korts (L-6)
ksun482- Shanba, dahill1, The Fonz, inHimshallibe, iamausername (L-6)

Dizzy votes -> ksun(L-5) leading wagon -> Instead of voting for Richard, (L-6 would be put to L-5 to tie with ksun wagon)...I move my vote from mipe to my alledged power role partner ksun(L-4)....?

Mipe(L-4) is now effectively out of the wagon race and ksun now has a clear 2 vote lead over the Richard wagon and was the likely lynch. Richard and Anon votes lead to eventual conclusion of the ksun wagon (L-2).

Well it's a damn good bus if I saw one. No awkward bus tension(especially since he was a PR), just a ruthless vote on early and on top of the others. Too bad it isn't one.

Also note that I was at a damn good spot to try and dissuade town and go for a Richard lynch(he had enough communal hate to be the lynch of the day anyway). But I didn't, so this is why I'm town.

Is this still craplogic?

[VasudeVa]

EBWOP: Mipe(L-6). Math fail. D:

[VasudeVa]

That's at...paragraph 4. D: Why didn't I post this with the other one on top? >.>

[Anon]

Fonz, do you really think Vasu is a better lynch that Richard in terms of contribution to the game?

[The Fonz]

Sooo, I can't change my mind if I'm town? And that was one post. Eventually, I changed my mind. Plus, ksun was the VI-iest of the lurkers(has the least posts and the least intelligent ones too). In fact, I was surprised he flipped scum.

Of course you can change your mind. Nothing changed in between those two posts, though, other than ksun looking like a likely, rather than longshot, lynch. I don't

think

either of mipe and ksun even posted. The cases were the same, and you'd indicated a preference for mipe. I'd expect you to fight for the mipe wagon, if what you had said about him before was true.

...at the cost of a Mafia power role at D1? Uh, okay. I still hold that I am one of the more decisive votes that lead to the lynch though.

Well, you could have run him up expecting his claim to save him. Or believed that he was going to be lynched anyway, and you might as well get some distancing in. It's unusual for a scum to be lynched with absolutely no bussing. And those three votes (no good reason, after he became the leading wagon) look the most likely candidates. Do you dispute this?

Craplogic. Your partner was in the lead, was the wagon with most momentum, and deadline was impending. He might have been in line for replacement, but it wasn't going to be before the deadline, and there were other players in line to be replaced before him.

What do you mean 'craplogic'?

You're making it look like your vote was this massive, crucial thing in getting ksun lynched. In fact, you voted him at precisely the point where it looked like he became more likely than not to be lynched, irrespective of your efforts. The mipe wagon was dying- no-one new was going to join it. So the only other option was to try to counterwagon Richard, which was a very risky path to take- odds were against it working, and if it didn't, it looks really bad. Even if it does, ksun was going to die and come up scum sooner rather than later.

[The Fonz]

Fonz, do you really think Vasu is a better lynch that Richard in terms of contribution to the game?

Yes. Richard has been clearly making an effort, Vas has lurked and then shown up when he's under suspicion (which cicero calls the candyman scumtell, hence the reference in my earlier post).

[Anon]

After an Iso, I dont find myself agreeing as I remembered with richard lynch.

Can we get a Paltry thing here?