NY 114: Mafia vs. Werewolves (Game Over)

[Vi]

First Post Mind H4x: Seraphim is scum

You're just scared of my elite scum hunting mind games which of course only scum would have reason to fear.

Here's a mind game for you.

Hi guys. I agree with Vi,

You agree with me only so far as it lets you avoid the not-likely-to-succeed wagon on SSBF, but you don't agree with me about Parama or anyone else, including the really big point I made about vezo. Your excuse for not looking at the "wagon" is hideous, considering
*it shows you didn't bother to read much of the thread; i.e. hunt scum
*it shows again that you agreed with me but didn't actually read my post, because I already did it for you!

Humor and fluff makes you likable ^.^ but doesn't help at all.

Or in shorter and more compact terms, First Post Mind H4x.

[Seraphim]

Psh, I looked at the "wagon" and I never said that I didn't. It's simply that votes are more concrete than simple talking, making analysis more difficult. It's regret, not an excuse. Nice try at a misrep, though.

I agree with you as far as SSBF is concerned but not any further than that.

Your case on Vezo is weaksauce, sorry. Not buying it.

[Parama]

So, tell me Parama, why is SSBF scum?

Read the thread.

[Seraphim]

So, tell me Parama, why is SSBF scum?

Read the thread.

All I see is you saying "lol SSBF is scum" with nothing backing it. Don't dodge the question.

[Midnight's Sorrow]

your mind games are making my head hurt x.x

But not for the reasons you hope for

[Unsight]

The more Parama talks, the more I want to rescind my initial Town read on him and/or smack him through the Internet.

SSBF is most likely naive VI-Town. Emphasis on all of naive, VI, and Town.

I don't know if Chronopie is

trying

to look scummy, or if this is just normal, but stuff like 131 makes me twitch.
My favorite scumhunting tool told me "

Prediction hazy, ask again

".

But let's take a look elsewhere at what I was seeing earlier.
askbob, vezopiraka, SGRaaize, and LynchMePlz all softly egged on the SSBF wagon without actually taking the active role Parama did and/or tried to use their own "unique" brand of arguments against SSBF (askbob 65, vezo 77, LMP's MASSIVE fence-sit in 88). The chance of all of them being Town is nil.

My vote's going to the one who IMO had the most weak comments of them all

on top of

lurking in New York while not posting earlier. (I've already looked at the other games in this subforum; he's not in any of them.)

Vote: vezopiraka

(L-11)

Why did you make some text blue and some text purple? It seems like you're trying to draw more attention to your post than might have gotten otherwise.

[Parama]

So, tell me Parama, why is SSBF scum?

Read the thread.

All I see is you saying "lol SSBF is scum" with nothing backing it. Don't dodge the question.

If you would read carefully, you'd see the question has already been answered.

LOL chainsaw attacks.

[Super Smash Bros. Fan]

If you would read carefully, you'd see the question has already been answered.

I think what they were meaning was that they wanted a better case on me to get them to convince that I am acting scummy. So far, your case on me is not very good. This is especially supported because multiple people are rebutting your comment.

[Seraphim]

If you would read carefully, you'd see

the question has already been answered.

that I'm beating around the bush and my attack is bullshit.

LOL

chainsaw attacks.

my case has no real substance.

Fixed for you.

Why is SSBF scum? I've read your case and it lacks in several departments, like the 'evidence' and 'content' ones.

[Parama]

Read the thread.

[Vi]

*lame attempt to discredit Vi*

ok

@Unsight 155: The former is a reference to the Magic 8 Ball. The latter is something held over from Rainbow Robot etc.

It seems like you're trying to draw more attention to your post than might have gotten otherwise.

W...hat kind of accusation is this?

[Seraphim]

I've read the thread. I've read your case. It's weak. You've been pushing for SSBF's lynch since before the day started. Simply telling me to read the thread is not helpful and annoying. So, let's take your case then...

Why are the posts you link to scummy?
Who cares that his posts were "pointless info about himself that nobody cares about"? It was the pre-confirm stage, how is that scummy?
How is OMGUS scummy?

ANSWER THIS CRAZY SHIT MOFO

[Parama]

Why are the posts you link to scummy?

Nervousness - if you can't see it then you're not reading OH WAIT

Who cares that his posts were "pointless info about himself that nobody cares about"? It was the pre-confirm stage, how is that scummy?

Trying to detract from the nervousness in his posting - something factual is easier to talk about.

How is OMGUS scummy?

The reason for one player voting another is that the other player voted for the first. That exclusively = OMGUS = no reason to vote.

[Seraphim]

nervousness =/= scum

It's entirely possible for town to be nervous about a game. That alone does not a case constitute. And if he's nervous, as you state, why does he unveil this massive new "list" of sorts as scum? Wouldn't that increase the scrutiny on him and draw attention to himself?

As for OMGUS, no vote is ever strictly OMGUS. If you don't see that, maybe it's YOU who is not reading the game.

[Lowell]

vote parama

. WINCON.

I love early bandwagons, but not SSBF. Games need one or two overeager go-getters early on.

[SerialClergyman]

Vote unsight

I am so not even close to getting the SSBF hate. The arguments about his system being an overcorrection would be awesome if it wasn't for the fact that he's applying this system to all his new games and it's not a terrible system at all, at least it's open. And given it's a cut and paste job, that makes that argument about hidden threats to those in the scummy area even more stupid than it already was (presumably if he was town there WOULD be a threat, he'd want to vote you ><)

I doubt Parama is scum though. It reminds me very much of our last game when Hoopla and I hydrad and they lynched someone in about 4 pages.

Now - back to my vote. Unsight has some ungly posts. (that was a typo but I left it because ungly is a cool word.)
First content post is a joining of the SSBF wagon with overjustification:

We should be lynching SSBF D1 anyways, I don't see why it's important.

If you quick hammer me, you run a higher risk of killing a townie.

Let's run Day 1 ful or at least almost full course before deciding on the list.

I read the colored as: "Don't lynch me, I

might

be town."

vote: SSBF

Then second post is calling out Vi for colouring parts of his posts.

Why did you make some text blue and some text purple? It seems like you're trying to draw more attention to your post than might have gotten otherwise.

So that's a lame attack, and the first one is a covering your arse bandwagon vote - so already I'd be thinking about a vote, except it is also flamingly contradictory - presumably the 2nd post here is meant to suggest that colouring one's post in an attempt to get them noticed is somehow suspicious behaviour but that's EXACTLY WHAT YOU JUST DID in your first content post.

People who scumhunt themselves are awesome. Gogo Unsight wagon.

Timeeater gets a special mention for scummy 121 as well.

[pman5595]

SSBF is idiot town, a Lowell like character (OOOOOHHH BURNNNNNEDD). Quick wagon is super scummy.

Vote: Dr Robotnik

[LimMePls]

But let's take a look elsewhere at what I was seeing earlier.
askbob, vezopiraka, SGRaaize, and LynchMePlz all softly egged on the SSBF wagon without actually taking the active role Parama did and/or tried to use their own "unique" brand of arguments against SSBF (askbob 65, vezo 77, LMP's MASSIVE fence-sit in 88). The chance of all of them being Town is nil.

I like this fence. I think SSBF is either scummy or over eager town, and I haven't made up my mind yet. I also think egging the whole thing on has been good for town. I'd be surprised if Parama AND SSBF are both town. I wanted to see how it shakes out.

My vote's going to the one who IMO had the most weak comments of them all on top of lurking in New York while not posting earlier. (I've already looked at the other games in this subforum; he's not in any of them.)

I dont get the argument against vezopiraka, can you explain it again? What do you mean by lurking in NY? Do you mean he was lurking in pre-game? Which comments were weak?

[Unsight]

*lame attempt to discredit Vi*

ok

@Unsight 155: The former is a reference to the Magic 8 Ball. The latter is something held over from Rainbow Robot etc.

It seems like you're trying to draw more attention to your post than might have gotten otherwise.

W...hat kind of accusation is this?

Huh. Well, it's an observation. You didn't use colors like that in your last several games or at all in fact. Blue and purple text certainly did catch my attention though so I was wondering if that was the purpose.

[SerialClergyman]

I'd be surprised if Parama AND SSBF are both town.

I'd be surprised if they weren't. What about the scenario of 'overeager, inexperienced town gets pounced on early by townie with a read' is unlikely to you?

[Vi]

But let's take a look elsewhere at what I was seeing earlier.
askbob, vezopiraka, SGRaaize, and LynchMePlz all softly egged on the SSBF wagon without actually taking the active role Parama did and/or tried to use their own "unique" brand of arguments against SSBF (askbob 65, vezo 77, LMP's MASSIVE fence-sit in 88). The chance of all of them being Town is nil.

I like this fence. I think SSBF is either scummy or over eager town, and I haven't made up my mind yet. I also think egging the whole thing on has been good for town. I'd be surprised if Parama AND SSBF are both town. I wanted to see how it shakes out.

Go ahead and talk more about this. Why is it unlikely that Parama and SSBF are both Town?

My vote's going to the one who IMO had the most weak comments of them all on top of lurking in New York while not posting earlier. (I've already looked at the other games in this subforum; he's not in any of them.)

I dont get the argument against vezopiraka, can you explain it again? What do you mean by lurking in NY? Do you mean he was lurking in pre-game? Which comments were weak?

ALL of his comments have been weak, without exception. #0 and #1 were just egging on the existing argument between Parama and SSBF without actually adding anything. #2 is a laughable excuse for an argument against SSBF's list. #3 looks like another attempt to attack the list, though at this point it's a pretty easy target.

Yes, he was lurking pregame in this forum. Watching stuff going on ITT, not posting.

Would you like to place a vote?

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Huh. Well, it's an observation. You didn't use colors like that in your last several games or at all in fact. Blue and purple text certainly did catch my attention though so I was wondering if that was the purpose.

"Last several games"? I thought I was supposed to be the one stalking you
Come on, I really don't want to have a repeat of the last game. (Unless you're scum.) What have you noticed going on ITT that scum are more likely to do?

[LimMePls]

But let's take a look elsewhere at what I was seeing earlier.
askbob, vezopiraka, SGRaaize, and LynchMePlz all softly egged on the SSBF wagon without actually taking the active role Parama did and/or tried to use their own "unique" brand of arguments against SSBF (askbob 65, vezo 77, LMP's MASSIVE fence-sit in 88). The chance of all of them being Town is nil.

I like this fence. I think SSBF is either scummy or over eager town, and I haven't made up my mind yet. I also think egging the whole thing on has been good for town. I'd be surprised if Parama AND SSBF are both town. I wanted to see how it shakes out.

My vote's going to the one who IMO had the most weak comments of them all on top of lurking in New York while not posting earlier. (I've already looked at the other games in this subforum; he's not in any of them.)

I dont get the argument against vezopiraka, can you explain it again? What do you mean by lurking in NY? Do you mean he was lurking in pre-game? Which comments were weak?

[Unsight]

@SerialClergyman

Please explain what you meant when you said that my first post was an "overjustification." I do not think that word means what you think it means.

Your second part is a pretty blatant misrep. I asked Vi what the purpose of his coloring was. I didn't say it was suspicious. I'm well-aware of my own use of magenta in place of bold/underline.

You come out swinging at me but your argument amounts to you not "getting" SSBF wagon and a misrep.

But you know... since you're not getting a scum read on SSBF, I'd like your opinion on this post, specifically the last sentence.

[Pomegranate]

Catchup from page... 2 or so, I think.

[SerialClergyman]

The overjustification is because everyone was jumping on the wagon, we all get why. But you had to find a little reason, find a specific point that you could rely on in case public opinion turns.

Well, rather than presume, I'll ask - why did you mention Vi's use of colour?

My opinion on that post is that almost all of it fits perfectly with my opinion of SSBF at the moment. But that last line is utterly bizarre, I'll give you that.