NY 114: Mafia vs. Werewolves (Game Over)

[Midnight's Sorrow]

I got that...but is there anything else missing?

[Super Smash Bros. Fan]

I'm making myself look bad because foilist is lacking any sort of logic in his posts and instead seems satisfied with calling me a VI and calling my points crap without giving reasons. Right. You're a terrible scumhunter then, sorry to tell you.

To be honest, you yourself haven't been making too much sense with your case on foilist13. Also, foilist13 has been using some sort of logic. It seems like you're pushing suspicious on him.

[Parama]

Oh yeah.
I am right and you are wrong. That's what I forgot to add.

Seriously sometimes I feel like you guys aren't even hearing a word I'm saying because I make the scum obvious and you guys decide to ignore my cases anyways.

[Parama]

I'm making myself look bad because foilist is lacking any sort of logic in his posts and instead seems satisfied with calling me a VI and calling my points crap without giving reasons. Right. You're a terrible scumhunter then, sorry to tell you.

To be honest, you yourself haven't been making too much sense with your case on foilist13. Also, foilist13 has been using some sort of logic. It seems like you're pushing suspicious on him.

He's incriminating himself while defending nhammen by calling my case crap - he admitted to what nhammen accused him of under the assumption that nhammen was accusing him of a lesser offense.

[Midnight's Sorrow]

...it's annoying isn't it? :/

It's like trying to talk to a brick wall >:P

[Parama]

For others' convenience, here is a list of brick walls in this game:

* Chronopie
* daniel94581
* Dr. Robotnik
* foilist13
* Midnight's Sorrow
* nhammen
* Seraphim
* SGRaaize
* Super Smash Bros. Fan
* Unsight
* vezopiraka

[Midnight's Sorrow]

But a crap case is by any other word...is only a crap case? How else would you like him to word it?

[Midnight's Sorrow]

That list makes me feel special somehow :3

I'm honored~

[Super Smash Bros. Fan]

I'm making myself look bad because foilist is lacking any sort of logic in his posts and instead seems satisfied with calling me a VI and calling my points crap without giving reasons. Right. You're a terrible scumhunter then, sorry to tell you.

To be honest, you yourself haven't been making too much sense with your case on foilist13. Also, foilist13 has been using some sort of logic. It seems like you're pushing suspicious on him.

He's incriminating himself while defending nhammen by calling my case crap - he admitted to what nhammen accused him of under the assumption that nhammen was accusing him of a lesser offense.

I really don't see the problem in admitting that you've commited a scum tell. That means that the person who is pushing the case is doing something beneficial to town.

[Seraphim]

bleah, catching up, this game really isn't on my radar, the entire mason incident really took the wind out of my sails for this game.

[Midnight's Sorrow]

There there Sera Sucks that you had to do that imo.~ Still don't understand why you did though :/

[Unsight]

Reading through ISOs looking for things that haven't been mentioned a bazillion times already.

Now obligatory mod gaming from me. Lowell is scum.

If anyone knows how I deduced this gets 6 vez points.

Because it takes one to know one?

Lowell, what does this mean?

[Chronopie]

Parama: I'm a brick wall on your side.

[foilist13]

@Parama: I analyzed your case in detail. You are accusing me of just calling your case crap without giving reasons. Lets take a closer look at that claim.

1) I put up a wall post going post by post through all your posts regarding nhammen.
2) You vote me based on me somehow having admitted being scum.
3) I respond to that, also in detail.
4) You resume calling me scum saying I'm not providing any reasons.

Are you that dense?

[foilist13]

I'm really annoyed that I have to continue to clarify this.

I do not now, nor have I ever admitted to committing a scum tell, blatant or otherwise.

I wanted to know vezo's role for the benefit of the town. I made it clear why that was to the benefit of the town, and did not have the negative affects normally associated with giving up one's role.

[Chronopie]

It sounds like lowell is admitting scum, and trying to drag Vez (the Mason/Monk), with them.

ofc considering that Masons =/= Mafia, Monks =/= Werewolves, and Vez = Mason + Monk, therefore vez =/= Mafia or Werewolf. Vez isn't a good target for this.

We can lynch Lowell to verify whether or not He's scum, doesn't mean anything about Vez, the closest thing to confirmed...

[Dry-fit]

Dr. Robotnik's hopping has been noted before. He seems to be mostly targeting VIs. His list of suspects, other than SSBF and daniel, includes LMP -- who, although he certainly isn't a VI, is new. Doesn't look all too good.

I don't like this attack. What's scummy about this? Robotnik's only voted for two people.

Because Foilist looks fairly scummy on a quick-ish reread. Dislike Sevis too. (For all that I sound like a parrot).

Care to elaborate?

We can lynch Lowell to verify whether or not He's scum, doesn't mean anything about Vez, the closest thing to confirmed...

We can also lynch any other player to verify whether or not they're scum.

[Chronopie]

Difference is that Lowell claimed scum.

[Lowell]

Chrono and vez need to pay more attention and realize how awesome I am. You're barking up the wrong tree.

[Midnight's Sorrow]

Theres a tree now? <ish confused

Should we vote for it?

[nhammen]

Chrono and vez need to pay more attention and realize how awesome I am. You're barking up the wrong tree.

You need to pay more attention and realize that you haven't answered my question:

@Lowell what are your reasons for voting me?

Also, can you name the 6 scummiest players, in your opinion? If your list is shorter that's OK, but I'd prefer a large enough number.


A longer post is in the middle of being written, but it has taken too long, and now I need sleep, so I'll finish it up in the morning.

[Sevis]

Finally someone who bothers to comment on my points, instead of simply calling me obvscum.

An example of rather poor logic:

The mod didn't want to start the game early because lowell hasn't confirmed via PM. He then says that after lowell confirmed wants to give more time to the people with night talk abilities.

He is not a mason or a monk therefore he must be scum.

The entire piece looks horribly far-fetched, with the last part especially standing out. Should we be lynching everyone who isn't a mason/monk? And why in the world would Vezo want to give hints about who isn't in the monk group, thereby making it easier for the scum to pick out the right one?

My comment on Midnight means that I clearly had the feeling there was something important (important, not necessarily scummy) about him, but that I couldn't figure out what it was again.

I find that only targeting newer/VI players is a scumtell, yes. He voted SSBF without stating any reason at all. His next vote, on daniel, had somewhat better reasoning, but he's kept it up for a rather long time without adding anything. I don't think him missing the nhammen wagon was accidental: nhammen is a far more experienced player, not someone Dr. Robotnik would want to go up against.

LMP, could you please name someone more suspicious, alphabetically up to nhammen? Chronopie is close due to rolefishing, lack of content in the early game, and his jump on the nhammen wagon.

[SerialClergyman]

Wow, deliberately or not you totally missed the point of that statement.

The entire point was -

1) Lowell was trying to get more time for night talking.
2) Lowell is not a town-based role that can night talk (he is not a mason or a monk)
3) Lowell therefore is likely to be a scum-based role that can night talk.

Now that I've spelt that out for you, does your opinion on Vezo and his statement change?

[vezopiraka]

@foilist: Your case on chronopie is BS. The first quote in your post is from SSBF not chronopie. Your case is down.

Unvote:Lowell
Vote: Foilist13

[MichelSableheart]

Eleventh vote count of day 1:

askbob (0):
Chronopie (6):

Unsight, Leafsnail, Timeater, The Goat, Dry-fit, foilist13

daniel94581 (1):

Dr. Robotnik

Dr. Robotnik (2):

Super Smash Bros. Fan, Sevis

Dry-fit (0):
foilist13 (3):

Parama, Chronopie, vezopiraka

Leafsnail (0):
Lowell (0):
LynchMePls (0):
Midnight's Sorrow (0):
nhammen (5):

SerialClergyman, Seraphim, pman5595, Lowell, daniel94581

Parama (1):

Midnight's Sorrow

pman5595 (2):

nhammen, askbob

Pomegranate (0):
Seraphim (0):
SerialClergyman (0):
Sevis (1):

LynchMePls

SGRaaize (0):
Super Smash Bros. Fan (0):
The Goat (0):
Timeater (1):

Vi

Unsight (0):
vezopiraka (0):
Vi (0):

Not Voting (2):

Pomegranate, SGRaaize

With 24 players alive, it takes 13 votes to lynch someone.

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