Open 219: Neighborhood Watch (Game Over)

[Thief]

Vote Count

Sleepless Assassin (3) - don_johnson, Pomegranate, Thief
Beloved Princess (2) - Empking, guy0
Pomegranate (1) - Sleepless Assassin
Empking (1) - ConfidAnon

Not Voting (2) - Beloved Princess, Primate

With

9

players alive, it takes

5

votes to lynch.

Beloved Princess

has been prodded.

Pardon my absence, I was grimly fending off the Illuminati with nothing but a subscription to netflix.

The deadline for Day 2 is

Wednesday, June 9, 2010 at 6:40:00 PM CDT

.
If no player is lynched by that time, a no lynch will occur.

I was kidding about claiming, all that matter is I'm town.

and

Vote: Sleepless Assassin

He's not.

[Thief]

No, wait, I re-read the thread.

I'm pretty sure Opposed Force was killed because he was starting to get on to Primate.

Unvote:
Vote: Primate

Yeah NK speculation. Things you can do as confirmed town are awesome.

His ISO is really lacking. His position on Chrono was "leaning town with doubts" scummy position to take. He hasn't really scumhunted outside of that.

[Sleepless Assassin]

SA can you please explain why you hammered chrono so quickly

He was pretty scummy, got ran up to L-1, and claimed vanilla. Seemed like the day's lynch to me. No sense starting a new wagon and risking another power role being outed on Day 1. Then again, in a game with watchers, maybe that wouldn't be as serious an issue as it might be in another game. Still, not something I want to do when we have a perfectly good lynch sitting right in front of us.

SA and Pom are the prime suspects here of course.

You think I've been bussing Pom for no reason?

last night I hid behind Thief. So he's confirmed as clean

Sweet. Confirmed town barring a guy scumflip at some point. Or a hider flip from anyone else.

It seemed like you wanted to start a wagon; I think that that's what's being referred to.

What's wrong with that? If I think someone is scummy, I want them lynched. If I want them lynched, damn right I want to start a wagon.

Also, can we talk about SA please? We need him to explain his premature ejaculation

0_o

[guy0]

@ SA

1. No one has mentioned the possibility of me lying about hider at this point, because counterclaiming hider would have been a pure pro-town choice. If anyone counter-claimed hider at this point it would be a very scummy move since they didn't do it at d1. The fact that you're telling everyone that me and thief could still be scum worries me a lot.

2. It was, evidently, not a good lynch, so what you said is meaningless.

3. Your joke was not funny

[Thief]

SA you better explain your Pom case and your other suspects quickly or my vote will wind up right back on you.

[ConfidAnon]

Guy0, you should claim. We've got watchers, they're not going to get killed.

Vote: Beloved Princess

Way to show up when your name gets called into attention.

Sweet. Confirmed town barring a guy scumflip at some point. Or a hider flip from anyone else.

This bothers me. Trying to cast doubt on a cleared townie seems like a scummy action to take.

Unvote: Empking (L-5)
Vote: Sleepless Assassin (L-1)

Also, Thief has made me want to iso Primate (and heck, I could probably do everyone later tonight.) So I will.

[Empking]

Guy0, you should claim. We've got watchers, they're not going to get killed.

Vote: Beloved Princess

Way to show up when your name gets called into attention.

You mean "way to show up when the thread is opened for a new day" right?

[Beloved Princess]

Can we please go a little slower? The thread has been open for what, three days? And we have yet another person at L-1?

You think I've been bussing Pom for no reason?

This looks like a major scumslip.

This bothers me. Trying to cast doubt on a cleared townie seems like a scummy action to take.

It's not.

I'm going to take a stand as devil's advocate here and

vote: ConfidAnon.

I said yesterday that one of the people not voting at a certain time was scum. And since OF is dead, we know that person is ConfidAnon.

[ConfidAnon]

BP

- I asked why that was, and you didn't answer my question.

So I'll ask again. Why does not voting at that point in time mean scum? This is a pretty baseless claim without some logic to back it up.

[Thief]

Confid, as confirmed town I command you to unvote Sleepless Assassin. I don't want someone at L-1 with so many V/LAs and people who haven't posted yet.

This bothers me. Trying to cast doubt on a cleared townie seems like a scummy action to take.

Is also a horrible reason to vote put someone at L-1.


You putting him at L-1 while saying "well I'll get to Primate later tonight" rings of distancing in my mind while trying to force another claim out of town.

Unvote:
Vote: ConfidAnon

Primate+CA+NEEDMOARINFO

[Thief]

Hmmm actually I unvote SA, so he's at L-2.

So you just outed yourself without even putting a possible Watcher at L-1.

Nice job.

[Pomegranate]

So you just outed yourself

without even putting a possible Watcher at L-1.

What do you mean by this?

[ConfidAnon]

Confid, as confirmed town I command you to unvote Sleepless Assassin. I don't want someone at L-1 with so many V/LAs and people who haven't posted yet.

This bothers me. Trying to cast doubt on a cleared townie seems like a scummy action to take.

Is also a horrible reason to vote put someone at L-1.


You putting him at L-1 while saying "well I'll get to Primate later tonight" rings of distancing in my mind while trying to force another claim out of town.

Unvote:
Vote: ConfidAnon

Primate+CA+NEEDMOARINFO

It obviously wasn't the only reason - the hammer and the Pom case also contributed to that. I just didn't feel the need to restate what others had said.

Also, looks like I didn't have the time I thought I would to iso tonight. I'll get to it tomorrow.

Mod Edit: fixed quote to avoid confusion

[ConfidAnon]

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Unvote, Vote: Sleepless Assasin

Obviously the quote tags were messed up, just don't want that to accidentially get counted as a vote.

[Gayle]

Vote Count

Sleepless Assassin (3) - don_johnson, Pomegranate, ConfidAnon
Beloved Princess (2) - Empking, guy0
ConfidAnon (2) - Beloved Princess, Thief
Pomegranate (1) - Sleepless Assassin

Not Voting (1) - Primate

With

9

players alive, it takes

5

votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 2 is

Wednesday, June 9, 2010 at 6:40:00 PM CDT

.
If no player is lynched by that time, a no lynch will occur.

[Sleepless Assassin]

1. No one has mentioned the possibility of me lying about hider at this point, because counterclaiming hider would have been a pure pro-town choice. If anyone counter-claimed hider at this point it would be a very scummy move since they didn't do it at d1. The fact that you're telling everyone that me and thief could still be scum worries me a lot.

2. It was, evidently, not a good lynch, so what you said is meaningless.

3. Your joke was not funny

1. It's possible. Unlikely, but possible.

2. Not every lynch is going to hit scum. Looked like a good lynch before we actually

saw

the flip.

3. I disagree.

SA you better explain your Pom case and your other suspects quickly or my vote will wind up right back on you.

I explained the Pom vote yesterday.

This bothers me. Trying to cast doubt on a cleared townie seems like a scummy action to take.

Pretty sure that is the exact opposite of what I was saying. I just said that Theif was confirmed barring the chance that guy is lying. Meaning that is the ONLY way Theif can be scum. Meaning we treat Thief as confirmed town unless we find out guy was lying. Which we haven't. So anyone voting Theif at all today is scum/retarded.

This looks like a major scumslip.

No.

Someone said Pom and I were scum. For that to be true, I'd have to be bussing for no reason. So I asked if that was what that person suspected.

Looking back, that was guy.

[Empking]

SA: Why spend time saying in case guy is lying, when you don't (or anyone else does) think there's much chance of him lying?

BP: Why do you want it slower?
Why did one of OF or CA have to be scum?

[Sleepless Assassin]

SA: Why spend time saying in case guy is lying, when you don't (or anyone else does) think there's much chance of him lying?

Because it is the only possible way that Theif isn't town. I said he is confirmed town unless guy is lying. Basically, chances that Theif isn't town are extremely low because:
-Guy would have to be lying scum (unlikely)
AND
-He would have had to claim an innocent on his buddy rather than a townie.
OR
-Guy would have to be lying town (unlikely).

So basically Theif is about 95% confirmed as town.

[ConfidAnon]

Because it is the only possible way that Theif isn't town. I said he is confirmed town unless guy is lying. Basically, chances that Theif isn't town are extremely low because:
-Guy would have to be lying scum (unlikely)
AND
-He would have had to claim an innocent on his buddy rather than a townie.
OR
-Guy would have to be lying town (unlikely).

So basically Theif is about 95% confirmed as town.

So what was the point of bringing all this common sense up?

I'm pretty sure everyone in the game realized this, and realized how unlikely this is. No offense, but it's not a groundbreaking revelation. The way you said this sounds like you were trying to reduce the number of confirmeds we have.

[Primate]

I treally don't think SA is scum.

Vote BP

Pom needs to be meta'd by someone who knows what they're doing. I'll do it but I don't have time today.

Primate+CA+NEEDMOARINFO

I naturally play pretty concisely, but I do respond to questions and am more than open to topical discussion.

[Sleepless Assassin]

So what was the point of bringing all this common sense up?

Just an afterthought. My mind went like "oh sweet, confirmed town unless blah blah", so that's what I posted.

I'm pretty sure everyone in the game realized this, and realized how unlikely this is. No offense, but it's not a groundbreaking revelation.

I realize this. That's why I was kind of confused when a few people started asking about it.

The way you said this sounds like you were trying to reduce the number of confirmeds we have.

Again, exact opposite of what I was saying.

[Pomegranate]

Post later.

[Thief]

Thief wrote:
So you just outed yourself without even putting a possible Watcher at L-1.

What do you mean by this?

Hmmm I'm wondering is this is slight role fishing or not.

Anyway I mean that watchers are the only PRs left. SA is "

Possibly

" a Watcher so when Confid outed him I saw it as scum motivated to try and narrow down the watchers.

That said your lack of content and promising catching up posts are really irritating me

FoS: Pomegranate

[Thief]

My god Primate and Confid are simply obvious now.

No one wants to listen to confirmed town huh?
BP gets my confirmed town-TOWN read seal for voting Confid.

Pomegranate and D_J need to unvote SleeplessA now and vote either Confid or Primate.

Beloved Princess is also a fail wagon.

[Thief]

Confid, I'll take that ISO of Primate ASAP.

Primate, you better do more than ask someone to meta Pom.

Meta is fail, I want full player list analysis from you.