SGRaaize wrote:Alright, guys, I know I'm sounding very scummy here, but I wanna get replaced, exams are starting and I can't bother to be ISOing on a Mafia game all the time
Sorry, but I will only start playing Mafia games again when holidays start
Really? Maybe you want to replace out because you used a kill that didn't go through? But asking someone to replace into a role that was roleblocked on the Night that there was a missing kill is really mean. You wont be that mean will you?
Parama wrote:Haha, only one kill? From the flavor it sounds like the werewolf kill, too. Hmm... who would want to kill Vi? I think I need to ISO him.
inb4NKWIFOM
Yes, it does seem that the Mafia kill didn't happen. But that's just stating the obvious. And you are the first person to mention NK WIFOM... Hmmm...
Super Smash Bros. Fan wrote:I had a really strong town read from Vi, as did most other people. This is something worth looking into. We need to look at people who conflicted with him and who thought Vi was scummy.
I was thinking that he was killed because almost nobody saw him as scummy, and he was producing content and good reads. Why would looking at who thought he was scummy help?
vezopiraka wrote:We must find out who the mafia targeted. I think the werewolfs killed Vi because they thought it was from an opposing faction.
Really? That's why you think they targeted Vi? Wow... I saw his kill and immediately assumed that they were aiming for Town...
As for who the Mafia targeted? Why does it matter? I see 4 possibilities for why their kill would not have occurred.
A) I roleblocked the Mafia Kill. Who it targeted doesn't matter. We know SGR is scum
B) NK WIFOM as Parama brought up. I find this highly unlikely.
C) They targeted an NK-Immune player. These types of roles don't occur very often. And the chances of just happening to hit someone with this role are small. So, I also find this unlikely.
D) A Doc protected their target. Unfortunately, this is likely, as there were claimed PRs. If D is the case, I am guessing the Mafia either targeted me or you, and a Doc correctly protected.
In the first two, the target does not matter. In the last two, we find out the target when someone claims. Why do we need to find the target now?
Leafsnail wrote:You are pretty much the most active-lurkery player I have ever seen.
Leafsnail wrote:I wouldn't say you've posted the least content, but I would say you've posted the most posts with none, and the most posts masquerading as content.
*cough* askbob *cough*
Leafsnail wrote:Is it possible for you to defend in a way that isn't just undermining your attacker?
Ummm? Isn't that the whole point of a defense? I don't understand this. At all.
Midnight's Sorrow wrote:Because Vi, while adamant about him being scum, switched votes on a dime. It was hard to discern if he was being serious, or throwing everyone through a loop. That he was revealed town suggests to me otherwise, and thus I look at the Vi/Sevis tango in a more harsher light.
I refuse to throw away a night kill as possible evidence because of WIFOM tendencies. There is some truth in its silver linings, and I think we should look at this in a more, open, approach then what is being made today. I mean, GOD! we have some days to kill. We don't need to jump on every little thing and make big deals out of it. I say look at other avenues of scumminess, instead of focusing on one? I don;t think it would hurt. In fact, it would probably be far more beneficial right?
I have learned the hard way that a dead Townie's opinions have a tendency to be right. And sevis was already on my shortlist.
@Leafsnail 928 Attacking all of the players that vote him? Where has he been doing that? The entire problem with midnight is that he hasn't attacked ANYONE. He just keeps attacking the cases, and not the players. Including when the case is against him. When he finally presents a case on sevis, it isn't even his case; it's Vi's case. But I don't see any attacks on players that are attacking him, except a brief mention of Vi's case against you and now his latest post. You really like to accuse players of OMGUS don't you?
Faraday wrote:hmm about half the game are looking pretty town to me, i'd put a bullet in the other half in pretty much any order if I could though.
You have no idea how much I agree with you. Deciding who to roleblock was the most difficult decision I have had in the time I have been on this site, because there are so many players that have behaved scummy. askbob, SGR, and sevis are just awful. pman, robotnik, Lowell, Goat, and Timeater are superlurkers. midnight had been buddying me from the moment I made my claim (trying not to be RBed?), and Unsight had been hiding in the background, which is not the playstyle I saw in NY 110.
Faraday wrote:need to re-read too as there;s people not even registering on my radar either way, e.g. askbob and dr robotnik.
askbob is very scummy and was my top suspect up until the missing kill this morning. The only reason I did not RB askbob is because I figured that after the way I attacked him yesterday, no scum in their right mind would have askbob send in their kill.
Faraday wrote:the midnight sorrow bandwagon is interesting btw. the intiial reasons were b/c he didn't do fuck all? same could be applied to the guy people are currently switching too. so yeah.
That is the defense he has been using too. I agree with this actually. The way Leaf has been pushing this and not pushing others with similar behavior is somewhat scummy. And here I had a town v. town vibe from leaf v. foilist yesterday...
Leafsnail wrote:On the other hand, he's been trying to look helpful while not doing anything (scumtell at any level of experience)
And you think SGR hasn't? What about askbob?
Leafsnail wrote:has been deflecting, undermining attackers and all sorts of other horrible stuff. In short, scum.
undermining attackers isn't scummy. In fact, it can be very pro-Town. As long as you scumhunt as well... But I find undermining attackers by itself to be more of a newbtell than a scumtell. Especially considering that you have done this in the past: especially your ISO 8, where you undermine someone's case by calling it reaching. And yet, when Midnight does the exact same thing you have done, you call it scummy.
@Leafsnail At one point you stated you were suspicious of askbob. Are you still suspicious of him? If so, why are you more suspicious of midnight than askbob? At one point you stated you were suspicious of sevis. Are you still suspicious of him? If so, why are you more suspicious of midnight than sevis? What is your opinion of SGR? If a player uses OMGUS, is this a scumtell? Why?
By any means.~
