:kicksrock:Elscouta wrote:We waited so long for this rebuttal? I'm disappointed by you, my friend.inHimshallibe wrote:The word choice is being blown way out of proportion, and I mean WAY.
unvote
vote: Beefster
Scummy spin when accusing me/easjo of prolonging the RVS.
On the other hand, i'm happy to see my vote in a good place.
I dont know why anyone hasn't picked up on this already, but this post is so incredibly full of WIFOM it's not funny. While I don't agree with inHim's reasons for voting ODD, I really dislike ODD's reply any more.ODDin wrote:Ooh yeah, I was certainly being devious. As devious as it gets.inHimshallibe wrote:Starting bandwagons isn't inherently scummy, as they are the town's main tool.However, when I read ODDin's post, I thought he was using devious means to get others to join the bandwagon.
Seriously, do you actually think that scum-me sat down and thought "hmm, yeah, I'm gonna use the word 'better' and that's gonna make the whole town follow me blindly onto the wagon"? How does that even make sense?
Also, I don't quite see how the setup makes sandman's actions any more intriguing than usual.
Although he is, I think, digging too much into things, like lots of people here. People really need to sit back and ask themselves "hey, do I actually think that scum-X sat and plotted and decided to do what he did as part of his scum strategy?"
This is, for instance, why I think scorp's argument on eas is pretty crappy. It doesn't really make sense for scum-eas to fool around any more than it does for town-eas.
I'm not debating whether or not this was planned or not, considering we're talking about easjo. What I am curious about is why we need to think "does it makes sense for this player to do this as scum." I doubt considering if scum would do this to be anything more than WIFOM because it does not assist in finding scum, but instead creates indecision that will not benefit the town in any way.ODDin wrote:If you wanna call it WIFOM go ahead and do, but what I'm saying stands. To say something is scummy implies that the one accused either planned whatever he did as part of a deliberate scum strategy or made an unconscious slip. Since the things discussed in my post don't really fall under the category of slips, they need to have been planned ahead in order to be scummy. And it'd be better for people to actually think if it makes sense.
What does scum look like?ODDin wrote:So, what I'm saying is, instead of blindly saying "this is a recognised scum-tell let's lynch", it might be smarter to think whether it actually looks like that player is scum or like that player is town.
Confidanon gave very little reason for placing inhim at L-3, only stating that he disliked inhim's use of word choice as a vote reason. I don't really see why there's much more to say.There's too much debate around easjo and not enough votes on inHim.
sounds like BS reasoning to justify what was, essentially, little better than a random vote. The vote on Beefster appears to be largely unprovoked.I did not jump on ODDin because he placed a "serious vote." I voted ODDin because he claimed his vote was better than a random vote. I would have been OK with "more than a random vote" or "finally, something besides a random vote" but "better"? No, that's dishonest.
how does this effect anything, what you mean when you say concidering its me?Chaos wrote:I'm not debating whether or not this was planned or not, considering we're talking about easjo.
QFTODDin wrote: People sometimes say "this and that is a scum-tell", but if you stop and think about it for a moment, it doesn't make any sense for scum to do such a thing. From a strictly logical point of view it is somewhat of a WIFOM, but sometimes you just need to use common sense. Because otherwise, every single argument can be called WIFOM, other than mod-granted info.
I don't like this post. It comes across as xScorpion claiming to be town, as well as knowing ODDin's alignment, both of which are scummy. The fact that there are two scum groups clouds this slightly, however, given that scum can catch scum as well and therefore everyone in the game is essentially scumhunting.XScorpion wrote:Which of course, doesn't account for WIFOM.
I honestly can't say I agree with your approach, but after this game if you manage to catch scum and I don't then maybe I'll adopt your method.
I think you're picking and choosing your targets. I don't like the inconsistency in your play. Why do you dislike the way I 'jump' on inhim, but you have no qualms with the 3 players that raised similar points before me? My point was that I saw a contradiction in what he had said.Chronopie wrote:Having reread the thread, I dislike the way that mr. sandman jumped on Inhim for jumping on oddin's use of 'better', its sounds, to me, of either a) Chainsaw defence of a scum buddy, or b) scum defending a townie, to earn town cred. (or at least someone not of his faction).
Why's it so scummy to place someone at L-3? He did give a reason. Do you have to give more indepth reasons for lynching someone the closer to the lynch they get? I don't see what's any different to ConfidAnon's reason for voting for inHim as anyone elses reason for voting him.Confidanon gave very little reason for placing inhim at L-3, only stating that he disliked inhim's use of word choice as a vote reason. I don't really see why there's much more to say.
Considering the style of VI your playing as. It deviates from the normal VI I would expect to appear, and sort of rocks in this gray area between VI and Normal play.easjo682 wrote:how does this effect anything, what you mean when you say considering its me?Chaos wrote:I'm not debating whether or not this was planned or not, considering we're talking about easjo.
XScorpion wrote:Hey Mr. Chaos, who is scum?
Is pretty much total defeatism and I dislike it. But it also gives me a small town vibe as well, which doesn't sit well with me either.OK, an actual attempt at scumhunting will come today. Lynch me otherwise.
I assume that even if ODDin is scum, he's scumhunting too, so at the end of the game I guess we'll see if he manages to discover who his enemies are.Sandman wrote: I don't like this post. It comes across as xScorpion claiming to be town, as well as knowing ODDin's alignment, both of which are scummy. The fact that there are two scum groups clouds this slightly, however, given that scum can catch scum as well and therefore everyone in the game is essentially scumhunting.
Actually, um, yeah, this came before Beefster, and could have been where the whole spin-fed nonsense of voting me came about.Elscouta wrote:Good. I'm happy to know you are town.Unvote
On the other hand, i'm unhappy with inhim jumping on the first person to place a serious vote (and i liked the vote)
Vote: inHim
This post is off. It's not really a contradiction.XScorpion wrote:I don't share your feelings, and I don't see why you need to unvote so quickly.
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Vote: Easjo
I don't like easjo's reasons for voting, and playing like a VI with "voices in your head" makes me suspicious.
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You should, because you just said that you were voting for inhim because "he came up with a reason to switch his vote in RVS which as we all know is the single most scummy thing ever," which ODDin did first.easjo wrote:I don't see any problem with Oddins vote, should I?
easjo wrote:I see a need to change my vote,Self-contradiction is a scumtell.easjo wrote: also no real reason for switching my vote.
No, there is no reason. I don't actually know why I left my vote on inHim because I think my particularly point against him had been cleared up and that people were starting push things unnecessarily. My vote would be on beefster now if my gut wasn't getting a stronger scum vibe coming from Chrono right now and he needs the pressure because he's barely contributing. I would like to push beefster further however, especially given his last post - further evidence of backtracking, admitting his case was weak, and saying that he was surprised that anyone actually believed him. Also, his confession of tunnelling. It's like he admits all the scummy things he's done. I think he's trying too hard to appear as townie and cover his back with all these apologies about his play.XScorpion wrote:I assume that even if ODDin is scum, he's scumhunting too, so at the end of the game I guess we'll see if he manages to discover who his enemies are.Sandman wrote: I don't like this post. It comes across as xScorpion claiming to be town, as well as knowing ODDin's alignment, both of which are scummy. The fact that there are two scum groups clouds this slightly, however, given that scum can catch scum as well and therefore everyone in the game is essentially scumhunting.
I think there is scum on Inhim's bandwagon. Beefster's argument is absolutely horrible yet people have been flocking to push it.
@Mr. Sandman: any particular reason that you haven't voted beefster despite your many suggestions that he does scummy things?
@Confid: What's your opinion on Beefster and his attack of Inhim? Do you have any reads on people other than Inhim?
@Elscouta: Do you share ODDin's opinion of evaluating strategy over scumtells? If so, why does Inhim's play constitute scum? If not, what scumtells has he given besides the obvious "he voted for the first person to leave RVS?"
@Beefster: Do you care to make an argument against Inhim that isn't filled with hypocrisy?
@All four of you: If Inhim is scum, who is scum with him?
Of the four, if I had to guess at one being scum, I would say Elscouta. I don't like his sudden unvote of easjo, his coaching of Beefster, and his relentless assault on Inhim.
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Vote: Elscouta
Definite New-Town read on Beefster.Beefster wrote:@ODDin:
About connections: it didn't seem relevant to comment on that. I see what you're saying.
To be honest, I'm kinda detached from this game. I'm putting too much focus on my other game. I'll fix that.
Anyway, here's some analysis:
ODDin:
casts the first real vote. Good.
You've been fairly pro-town this whole time.
What was I thinking?
Unvote
Easjo:
Voices in your head? Pfft! I hardly think that's valid just outside the RVS.
Self-contradiction. The need to lie is a scum trait, and you suck at lying.
FoS: easjo
inHim:
Isn'tanythingbetter than a random vote? Reasons start off few and far between, but then gradually build up and make mistakes. But really? Chewing him out overword choice? Your words and actions here don't seem characteristic of a 6th year townie.
He then defends himself in his stupidity. Is he playing village idiot or something?
He says he doesn't want to muddy the waters. What exactly does he mean by this?
Vote: inHim
Chronopie:
If his meta tends to be anti-town and he's being lurky, he's definitely a player to keep an eye on.
IGMEOY
