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First of all, I'm not taking the setup into account at this point, as it is Day 1 and we should concerned with finding scum.
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This isn't very good posting. First of all, seeing how I trust Korejora assigned roles randomly, there is no connection between longevity on site and role. Second, who are you to decide when RVS starts and ends? Third, you seem to be hypocritical in the fact that you are changing your vote during this apparent RVS.easjo862 wrote:I see a need to change my vote,
vote: inhim
because he's been on this site the longest out of anyone else playing the game (I just lost the game) and is therefore is automatically more scummy, that and he came up with a reason to switch his vote in RVS which as we all know is the single most scummy thing ever
easjo's responses definitely did not make him town. Comically, he talked about voices in his head, which isn't really a town thing to do, and seriously, I see no correlation between his responses and normal town behavior.Elscouta wrote:Good. I'm happy to know you are town. Unvote
On a statistical level, I see inHim's point here. 1 out of every 3 players is scum. Therefore, one would have to be more than 33 percent sure to make a serious vote "better" than a random vote. However, players rarely delve this deeply into vote statistics, and I'm doubting that inHimshallibe would have really not voted ODDin had he stated it differently.inHimshallibe wrote:I did not jump on ODDin because he placed a "serious vote." I voted ODDin because he claimed his vote was better than a random vote. I would have been OK with "more than a random vote" or "finally, something besides a random vote" but "better"? No, that's dishonest.
On the first sentence, Xscorpion had a point about easjo's contradition. On the second and third sentences, joking around after we have serious stuff to discuss isn't a town motive.ODDin wrote:You're trying too hard. eas' actions feel to me like he's trying to joke around. Don't really see a deep scum motive behind them.
You say this; however, you did answer the questions. You are contradicting yourself.xScorpion wrote:As far as I'm concerned, RVS ended on page 2.
I find RQS is only useful when scum are sloppy, i.e. a scum says something later in the game that contradicts one of their RQS answers.
I'm not sure I see the misquote here. When I first read your post, I thought easjo had voted again and that's why he said that. Yet when I go back I see he did not. Could you please explain?Beefster wrote:Misquoting is also a scumtell.
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Not as much as I thought I would say, but as it's been iterated multiple times in the thread, this game is lacking. I'm not sure I could pick out four scum, but I'm going to start with avote: easjo862.
Other than easjo, I have slight scum feelings about:
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http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13537Mr.Sandman wrote:I'd like to see some links to Scott's completed games to see if he's this reluctant to say anything as town
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12108
I can be brief, which leads people to think I'm scummy. There really has been a lack of substance in this game, I know it's D1 and all but it seems worse than usual.Town 15-19
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It's not your briefness that has been the worst, it's your general lack of specificity regarding your opinions on other players' alignments.Scott Brosius wrote:
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13537Mr.Sandman wrote:I'd like to see some links to Scott's completed games to see if he's this reluctant to say anything as town
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12108
I can be brief, which leads people to think I'm scummy. There really has been a lack of substance in this game, I know it's D1 and all but it seems worse than usual.
That's been my major beef with Scott Brosius. Vagueness, poor generalizations, and no major stances.Show"I'm from Indiana. I know what you're thinking: Indiana... Mafia." - Jim Gaffigan
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And now for the Elscouta analysis I promised.
You were one of the first ones to put a vote on easjo, yet you say there's too much debate on him. This is just strange. I never liked the statement in the first place because it appeared diversionary.Elscouta, ISO8 wrote:There's too much debate around easjo and not enough votes on inHim.
I still can't figure out what you meant by this. If you can poke through your V/LA to tell us what you meant by this, I probably wouldn't be so bothered by it.Elscouta, ISO9 wrote:On the other hand, i'm happy to see my vote in a good place.
I haven't been suspicious of him until just recently. 'Nuff said.
Scott really only has active lurking and confusing posts against him. If I had more time to actually take a look at him before, I probably wouldn't have put him on my scumlist. There isn't enough evidence against him.On hiatus indefinitely. This was a nice distraction when I was working through my faith transition out of Mormonism, but I need to move on to bigger and better things now.
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Forgot some stuff.
@XScorpion: who doYOUthink is scum. You've been doing an awful lot of asking other people who they thought was scum lately and not a lot of your own scumlists. I can see scum motives behind this sort of thing.FoS: XScorpion
@Chevre: It's hard to remember what I was referring to when you take things out of context like that. IIRC, I believe I was referring to something XScorpion was misquoting.On hiatus indefinitely. This was a nice distraction when I was working through my faith transition out of Mormonism, but I need to move on to bigger and better things now.
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Forgot the question mark. Don't want him to miss an important question.Beefster wrote:@XScorpion: who doYOUthink is scum?On hiatus indefinitely. This was a nice distraction when I was working through my faith transition out of Mormonism, but I need to move on to bigger and better things now.
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I already explained this. By this sentence, I wanted to say that after inHim poor rebuttal, I was happy of having my vote on him.Beefster wrote:
I still can't figure out what you meant by this. If you can poke through your V/LA to tell us what you meant by this, I probably wouldn't be so bothered by it.Elscouta, ISO9 wrote:On the other hand, i'm happy to see my vote in a good place.I'm town. Please lynch someone else.-
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I have placed a vote on who I think is scum, and I am leaning towards scum on you. Unless you expect me to have nailed down all 4 scum at this point, not sure how my stances aren't "major".inHimshallibe wrote: That's been my major beef with Scott Brosius. Vagueness, poor generalizations, and no major stances.Town 15-19
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Pay attention. I already said that I think there was scum on Inhim's bandwagon, hence why I asked the four of you about your motives.beefster wrote:@XScorpion: who do YOU think is scum. You've been doing an awful lot of asking other people who they thought was scum lately and not a lot of your own scumlists. I can see scum motives behind this sort of thing. FoS: XScorpion
You seem to be confused as to what it means to contradict oneself. To say "I need to change my vote" then later "I voted for no reason" are contradictory, because a need to change a vote implies the existence of something (a reason) that enforces such a need. To say that RQS is useless yet answer the questions is simply compliance for something that I don't think will have a major effect on the game anyway.chevre wrote:You say this; however, you did answer the questions. You are contradicting yourself.-
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I thought I'd gone through all this...This isn't very good posting. First of all, seeing how I trust Korejora assigned roles randomly, there is no connection between longevity on site and role. Second, who are you to decide when RVS starts and ends? Third, you seem to be hypocritical in the fact that you are changing your vote during this apparent RVS.
It wasn't intended as a serious post, as you say your self, it not up to me, or you for that matter to decide when RVS ends, it can be left open to interprtation, and under my interpretatation it was fine for me to do an RVS style post, that post was me joking around under RVS even if others have different opinions on when RVS ends.
I'm not a moron, I know that roles are completely randomly assigned, have nothing to do with how long you've been on the site, or your sig, or your username, etc, etc...
The post was meant to come off hypocritical, It was meant to seem I was doing exactly what I was accusing inhim of doing.
@beefster, are you going to answer my question a page back?[i]Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering?[/i]
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Beefster: I was seeking a more fruitful analysis. Where are ISOs 1-7 and 10+? Even if they have little content, they were still part of Elscouta's play, so they must mean something.There will be no kisses tonight
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Just noticed some flawed reasoning. Active Lurking is an anti town action. I don't really see how lack of evidence = less scummy. If anything, it should make him look even more scummy.Beefster wrote:Scott really only has active lurking and confusing posts against him. If I had more time to actually take a look at him before, I probably wouldn't have put him on my scumlist. There isn't enough evidence against him.Showwher doin this man
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AtE much?inHim wrote:OK, an actual attempt at scumhunting will come today. Lynch me otherwise.
Well, in much the same vein, why do you accuse chrono of saying that, while inhim said that much earlier?Mr. Sandman wrote:I think you're picking and choosing your targets. I don't like the inconsistency in your play. Why do you dislike the way I 'jump' on inhim, but you have no qualms with the 3 players that raised similar points before me? My point was that I saw a contradiction in what he had said.
Check out posts 146 by Beefster and then post 149 by inHim. They've been voting for each other, and then they suddenly go all "oh I was wrong" and unvote. inHim's post 149 is especially disturbing: one post and suddenly beefster is all town. Not to mention that the quoted post was there for some time yet inHim didn't react to it (although it would appear he wasn't really following the game, so this can be forgiven).
Still, this looks to me like they're scum who were trying to distance each other, but then panicked somewhat when they saw both their wagons are the most prominent wagons at the moment, and suddenly they have a revelation that they're wrong.
I'd also agree with other people in not liking scott's active lurking. Lurking can be an especially good strategy for scum in this game, since with two scum teams, one only needs to be faster than one's friend, to paraphrase a known joke. (When you're running away from a bear, you don't need to be faster than the bear, only faster than your friend.)
That is, scum might hope to lay low and wait for the other scumteam to get caught.
So, who I think is scum?
inHim, beefster, scott brosius (I think I've stated my suspicions in various places, including partially this post)
I have less qualms with choron right now, since he does appear to be more active, and the original argument that lead to my vote wasn't that strong.
In choosing between inhim and beefster, somehow beefster seems more new and less experienced, and I'm having easier time believing some of the things he did (like the RVS extension thing) stem from lack of attention more than scuminess, and thusvote: inhim.-
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You be in my head, posting my ideas.Mr. Chaos wrote:
Just noticed some flawed reasoning. Active Lurking is an anti town action. I don't really see how lack of evidence = less scummy. If anything, it should make him look even more scummy.Beefster wrote:Scott really only has active lurking and confusing posts against him. If I had more time to actually take a look at him before, I probably wouldn't have put him on my scumlist. There isn't enough evidence against him.
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Chronopie wrote:You be in my head, posting my ideas.
Active lurking is anti-town, anti-town actions are scummy, therefore active-lurking is scummy.
.....That's all your gonna say? Some pretty exciting things have been happening, and all you can think to do is agree with something I posted?Showwher doin this man
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This question? I didn't know you were asking me one in the first place.easjo682 wrote:alright, scott I was over emphasizing when I said 'alot' sorry, but there has been commenting on you in the negative
you don't believe what I said about the voices in my head posting?easjo for having voices in her head
Whether you say it's a joke or not, I just don't think it's at all valid to write off an odd message like that.On hiatus indefinitely. This was a nice distraction when I was working through my faith transition out of Mormonism, but I need to move on to bigger and better things now.
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Yawn, care to provide something other than standard mafia platitudes?Chronopie wrote:
You be in my head, posting my ideas.Mr. Chaos wrote:
Just noticed some flawed reasoning. Active Lurking is an anti town action. I don't really see how lack of evidence = less scummy. If anything, it should make him look even more scummy.Beefster wrote:Scott really only has active lurking and confusing posts against him. If I had more time to actually take a look at him before, I probably wouldn't have put him on my scumlist. There isn't enough evidence against him.
Active lurking is anti-town, anti-town actions are scummy, therefore active-lurking is scummy.Town 15-19
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Beefster and Inhim, is there any particular reason why you aren't voting for anyone?
Inhim, where is that player analysis you promised?
Beefster, if you think Elscouta is so suspicious, why don't you vote with me? And is that really all you found on your Elscouta analysis?
Elscouta, are you going to post or just active lurk?
And for the people on the Scott wagon, does he really look more like an active lurker than Elscouta?-
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inHim picked and choosed his targets from those who were on his wagon and ignored those who made the same case?ODDin wrote:
Well, in much the same vein, why do you accuse chrono of saying that, while inhim said that much earlier?Mr. Sandman wrote:I think you're picking and choosing your targets. I don't like the inconsistency in your play. Why do you dislike the way I 'jump' on inhim, but you have no qualms with the 3 players that raised similar points before me? My point was that I saw a contradiction in what he had said.
I'm not on the either wagon but the longer this game goes on, the more Elscouta actively lurksXScorpion wrote:And for the people on the Scott wagon, does he really look more like an active lurker than Elscouta?FoS: Elscouta
Also, having looked at the links Scott provided, from those, I think his play style at least seems roughly comparable.
Agree with this. I don't see how beefster would come to that conclusion after taking into account those reasons.Mr. Chaos wrote:
Just noticed some flawed reasoning. Active Lurking is an anti town action. I don't really see how lack of evidence = less scummy. If anything, it should make him look even more scummy.Beefster wrote:Scott really only has active lurking and confusing posts against him. If I had more time to actually take a look at him before, I probably wouldn't have put him on my scumlist. There isn't enough evidence against him.
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