NY 114: Mafia vs. Werewolves (Game Over)

[MichelSableheart]

I don't have the time available to do an activity check now, and I probably won't be able to check the forum at all tomorrow. The next votecount and activitycheck will be either tomorrow evening or on thursday.

[foilist13]

unvote, vote: Dr Robotnik

He pretty much lurked away the wagon on him yesterday and seems to be doing the same today. This also seems like the only wagon we can all agree upon, and it's a good case anyway.

[Nachomamma8]

Nacho, could you expand on your thoughts behind nhammen? When you were defending the town roleblocker concept I got the feeling you were pro-nhammen but you recently suggest he's scum in your summary to Spy.

Nhammen's roleblocker claim really doesn't have a whole lot to do with my view of him. The only reason I brought up the town roleblocker concept was because of Pom's and (foilist's, I think) attacks on MS for believing there was most definitely a town roleblocker.

[SpyreX]

God I'm still catching up and this is the worst game you guys seriously.

At least there's a nice divide between those who will soon be dead and those who are awesome.

IT WOULD BE AWESOMER IF THE LIST SIZES WERENT SO UNBALANCED IN THE BAD WAY THOUGH GOD

[SpyreX]

Hot damn I think all the monks and masons may, in fact, be town because non-symmetry hurts the head in that and Faraday came in being awesome and that makes me happy.

[Midnight's Sorrow]

I still think Sevis/shrinehime is one of the Psychos amongst the Sane, but it look like it won't be getting larger then 4 peeps. >.>

Unvote
Vote:Dr.Robotnik

The case on him was the uber, and something needs to happen.

[SpyreX]

HOT DAMN ALL CAUGHT UP

So, first things first.

I want this group of people that in some circles we would call the NEW BASTION OF DEATH:

Parama
Nacho
Serial
SSBF
Unsight
Socrates
LynchMePls

to pick A single target from this list which shall be called THE LIST OF THE DEAD WALKING:

Midnight's Sorrow
Shrinehime
Timeeater
Nhammen

And make them dead. Right now.

My vote under the raw needing to be the dead clause is MS. WHY WHY WHY did that wagon go away? Seriously now.

Nhammen wouldn't bother me as much if he had posted earlier in the day today than ahead of the game. However, want to know a secret? Gut says we're gonna see a town flip here but now is the time to deal with it because THIS ARGUMENT EVERY DAY IS NOT AWESOME.

Timeeater and Sevis mk2 I -really- better not even need to go into detail with.

OHH SNAP SPYREX YOU SAID YOU THINK MASONS ARE TOWN BUT THEY ARENT ON THE LIST

Nope. Not yet. Faraday WAS awesome but I need more Faraday to be sure. Vezo is town but mos def not awesome so.

I've got some secret more awesomes that need to play more and then can join the murder-brigade. They dont get to know who they are though.

And the fifth that isn't on the list for the mo because of replacement help is Nik. I liked Nik but I absolutely hate The Goat and if not for these other issues.

Foil isn't a bad lynch but not my favorite. The rest of the game I'd happily hang if it meant the above group was all that was left.

[LimMePls]

HOT DAMN ALL CAUGHT UP

So, first things first.

I want this group of people that in some circles we would call the NEW BASTION OF DEATH:

Parama
Nacho
Serial
SSBF
Unsight
Socrates
LynchMePls

to pick A single target from this list which shall be called THE LIST OF THE DEAD WALKING:

Midnight's Sorrow
Shrinehime
Timeeater
Nhammen

And make them dead. Right now.

My vote under the raw needing to be the dead clause is MS. WHY WHY WHY did that wagon go away? Seriously now.

Nhammen wouldn't bother me as much if he had posted earlier in the day today than ahead of the game. However, want to know a secret? Gut says we're gonna see a town flip here but now is the time to deal with it because THIS ARGUMENT EVERY DAY IS NOT AWESOME.

Timeeater and Sevis mk2 I -really- better not even need to go into detail with.

OHH SNAP SPYREX YOU SAID YOU THINK MASONS ARE TOWN BUT THEY ARENT ON THE LIST

Nope. Not yet. Faraday WAS awesome but I need more Faraday to be sure. Vezo is town but mos def not awesome so.

I've got some secret more awesomes that need to play more and then can join the murder-brigade. They dont get to know who they are though.

And the fifth that isn't on the list for the mo because of replacement help is Nik. I liked Nik but I absolutely hate The Goat and if not for these other issues.

Foil isn't a bad lynch but not my favorite. The rest of the game I'd happily hang if it meant the above group was all that was left.

I think I'm in love.

Unvote
Vote: Midnight's Sorrow

[SpyreX]

Hahah I guess I forgot something:

Unvote, Vote: Midnights Sorrow

And the love is mutual here be one of my notes from the game:

LynchMePls - holy shit town I'm sad I'm not in his cool club

[Midnight's Sorrow]

Oh wow you too! That really tells me how I'm scummy!~ Good Job sons!!

^(^O^)^

/dripping sarcasm

[Super Smash Bros. Fan]

Defindently going to do an analysis eventually. I want to get one done before a Day 2 lynch. Oh and this game is fixing to really heat up.

[Leafsnail]

Don't have time to write anything clever or insightful, but SPYREX I LOVE YOU FOREVER FOR STARTING A BANDWAGON AGAINST MIDNIGHT SCUM

Unvote

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Vote: Midnight's Sorrow

. Byebye obvscum.

[Midnight's Sorrow]

Ovbious scum??

I honestly can't tell what I've done that's scummy. Maybe if annoying some of you that are on my wagon could be considered scummy, then

maybe

. But beyond that, I'm confundeled.

[Socrates]

I think the flavor of the day has literally changed every single day for the past week. I'm at the point where I am starting to not care anymore. I'm

this

close to voting MS out of apathy, but no, vigilance.

Why is MS scum and not belligerent newb town?

[SpyreX]

I'll answer your question with a question:

In over 130 posts, can you point to a solid, forward-moving post that is based off his own viewpoint on anything?

[Midnight's Sorrow]

That still doesn't dis-spell the fact that that could be thrown down several other people throats in this game. Especially a few of the people that have or had a bandwagon(IE: Robo, Sevis/shrine, Askbob, ect ect)

I think what I'm trying to understand is why you

think

you have scum here. You just say "Oh he's obvious scum! Die now pls! Kthxsbai~" lolwut?

I'm starting to not care that your slot has been confirmed Mason, or other people have been confirmed Mason or Monk. The only one I can see as pure Town based on claim is Veso, in which she has been claimed Monk/Mason. The rest of you, not so much sirs and misses.

[Socrates]

I'll answer your question with a question:

In over 130 posts, can you point to a solid, forward-moving post that is based off his own viewpoint on anything?

I don't think MS would be capable of putting out such of post. But ISO 21 looks like at least an attempt, and as far as displaying independent thought, I would point to ISO 13, 30, (Iso 33 stands out to me for reasons I can't quite articulate. Its arguing an alignment, not a utility lynch, pro-town points right there), and the sheer amount of conviction that MS is displaying about his Sevis vote even after so many players have called him out on it.

Iso 59 causes some pause in me. That chronopie vote came out of nowhere and it was apparently an L-1 vote...

(You didn't expect me to actually look at his Iso now did you?)

[Leafsnail]

I did read Midnight's Sorrow in ISO at the start of day 2... I stopped when the urge to bash my own brains out with a brick grew too great. Everything about his posts scream newbscum trying to avoid attention and wanting to look like doing something. His reactions to attacks are also bad - horrible deflections and no actual cases.

[Socrates]

Calling Nhammen town as his wagon went close to a lynch is pretty much the opposite of avoiding attention, as is taunting your detractors.

You are going to need to cite some sources on the deflections front.

[Leafsnail]

...Really?

Out of all the people this could apply to...you choose me?? Why?

Your terribad jumping on the smallest things and obvious trying to make it into something bigger then it is, when that very small thing could be very easily applied to other people, when ther are probably more BIGGER issues that may or may not be trying to be covered up in this...VERY obvious ploy, is very dully noted.~

And pray tell me now Leaf. How is what your doing now scumhunting? Your tunneling pure and simple. You don't even seem all that bothered with trying to find scum else where. As long as you get rid of your annoyance right?

(Tunneling accusation is probably fair, but the defence amounts to deflection)

He also out and admits to it here (it's up to you whether you agree with this point, of course):

Deflection =/= Scummy

He also uses broken Tu Quoque a lot... which feels like a slightly modified form of deflection.

"Avoiding attention" is wrong. It's more like... deflecting attention? He successfully avoided it throughout day one, and sortof frustrated anyone who attacked him on day two into submission. I'll try to get a better explanation tomorrow.

[Super Smash Bros. Fan]

Sorry for acting like a newb, but what exactly is deflection? I haven't really seen it on Mafiascum Wiki.

[Midnight's Sorrow]

Out of all the people this could apply to...you choose me?? Why?

Interestingly enough this is a question that never really got properly answered.

[foilist13]

@Spyrex: I notice I haven't made either of your lists. Is that because you think I've behaved scummy this time, or because you still have nightmares from my abysmal performance the last time we played together?

Why is Dr Robotnik on your death list? He's been at least as useless as MS.

[SpyreX]

I don't think MS would be capable of putting out such of post. But ISO 21 looks like at least an attempt, and as far as displaying independent thought, I would point to ISO 13, 30, (Iso 33 stands out to me for reasons I can't quite articulate. Its arguing an alignment, not a utility lynch, pro-town points right there), and the sheer amount of conviction that MS is displaying about his Sevis vote even after so many players have called him out on it.

Iso 59 causes some pause in me. That chronopie vote came out of nowhere and it was apparently an L-1 vote... Confused

(You didn't expect me to actually look at his Iso now did you?)

Actually I totally did.

And while YOU are awesome I've got to disagree with you some:

Iso 21 is FAR FAR more concerned with not locking down "town reads" (Sera, Parama). And, I post this counterquestion again because I've had one of those days and cant remember: Was iso 21 before or after the growing anti-parama wave started?

Iso 13 is white noise, mostly. Especially since 21 again espouses the idea dan can be scum.

Iso 30 is one of those either-way posts, especially without nh's lynch. That wagon isn't nor was baseless regardless of correctness.

But, really, the main point stands: its white noise. Refined active lurking. That vote coming out D2 start gives me that bad itch all over.

@Spyrex: I notice I haven't made either of your lists. Is that because you think I've behaved scummy this time, or because you still have nightmares from my abysmal performance the last time we played together?

Why is Dr Robotnik on your death list? He's been at least as useless as MS.

Because you still give me a LOT of pause. D1? Town. D2? Eehhhhh. When I know where you go you'll go there.

Robotnik is another one of those enigmas - however, with the throwaway MS vote I'm thinkin its an easy-target push. So hopefully he'll play the game and some flips will make some things clearer.

[Timeater]

Oh god its SpyreX

run