NY 114: Mafia vs. Werewolves (Game Over)

[Battle Mage]

Parama or Faraday are scum with Lowell, but not both.

Unvote

Let's say Socrates is town.

Vote: Parama

BM

[MichelSableheart]

Seventh vote count of day 3.

Battle Mage (0):
CryMeARiver (0):
Dr. Robotnik (0):
Dry-fit (0):
Faraday (0):
foilist13 (1):

Nikanor

Leafsnail (0):
Lowell (0):
Midnight's Sorrow (2):

Super Smash Bros. Fan, Leafsnail

Nachomamma8 (0):
Nikanor (0):
Parama (1):

Battle Mage

Pomegranate (1):

Dry-fit

SerialClergyman (0):
Socrates (7):

Lowel, Nachomamma8, Dr. Robotnik, Unsight, foilist13, Pomegranate, vezokpiraka

Super Smash Bros. Fan (0):
Unsight (3):

Parama, Socrates, Midnight's Sorrow

vezokpiraka (0):

Not Voting (3):

Faraday, CryMeARiver, SerialClergyman

With 18 players alive, it takes 10 votes to lynch someone.

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SerialClergyman has announced LA from the 12th till the 26th of june.

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CryMeARiver didn't respond to her prod, and will be replaced.

[Parama]

If you think I'm scum by association then you should be voting Lowell instead <.<

[Dry-fit]

Am I crazy to think Pom is scum?

I don't know if BM is trying to confuse the town with that post or what.

[Battle Mage]

I never said you were scum by association, did I? Haha

Confirm Vote: Parama

BM

[Battle Mage]

Am I crazy to think Pom is scum?

I don't know if BM is trying to confuse the town with that post or what.

yeah, vote Parama.

BM

[Parama]

Um, yes, you said I was scum with Lowell, and you declared Lowell scum. You never explicitly stated it but it was heavily implied. So <_<

I don't feel like dealing with BM's nonsense right now. BM, if you'd like to tell me why you think I'm scum I'll gladly disprove your theories and cases. Otherwise I'm going to ignore you.

[Midnight's Sorrow]

ITT Parma speaks sense...

If no one is going to ride the Unsight wagon, then I guess it wouldn't hurt to join the next best one~

Unvote
Vote: Socrates

[Parama]

Oh god MS. You started the Unsight wagon and you're copping out now that it looks like an Unsight lynch isn't going to happen? And blatantly bandwagoning on the the biggest one? *sigh*

FoS: Midnight's Sorrow

because some things are unexcusable.
Unsight is still the best wagon BTW. foilist-Unsight-Pome scumteam, remember.

[Midnight's Sorrow]

lol. I'm not 'copping' out of anything. The Unsight wagon doesn't look like its going to get any fuller(Because some people...>.>...stubborn..), and I already said I think Socrates scum. And look! His wagon is in better shape then Unsight's is.

Whatever gets scum off the playing field. It doesn't matte to me which one gets off first. -shrugs-

[Super Smash Bros. Fan]

I do find it suspicious that SSBF says he finds four people scummy, including Socrates, but won't vote for him unless A) He's close to being lynched (Which he is) or B) A bandwagon against anyone else doesn't form (Unsight has a little one, but Socrates still dwarves that one).

These were my two reasons:

1. Socrates is the only lynch that's going to happen.
2. He becomes my top suspect.

I never said I would jump on his bandwagon if he's getting close to lynch. I also didn't say that a bandwagon against anyone else has to form, I said that I would only switch my vote to Socrates if he is the only lynch that's going to happen. I'd also like to add to the first possibility for me voting Socrates that I will only choose to vote him if it gets close to the deadline. Yes, I'm willing to keep my vote on Midnight's Sorrow until that time.

I'm wondering why SSBF is still pushing for MS or myself, where we have a much better chance evidence wise of getting scum by lynching Socrates.

I personally find Midnight's Sorrow and you scummier then Socrates. Yes SGRaaize/Socrates has commited some scum tells, but the only evidence that everyone generally agree upon is that nhammen might have roleblocked Socrates. You and Midnight's Sorrow have commited more scum tells then SGRaaize/Socrates.

NOPE!

I don't like this response to foilist13's question. You didn't even explain why you found him scummy.

[Dr. Robotnik]

Hmm. Thats an ok answer I guess.

[Nikanor]

SSBF: I've pointed out scummy things that foilist has done already. An example is that he started off a post assuming that he wasn't going to vote Socrates, pointed out that Socrates was 95% likely to be scum, then

didn't vote Socrates.

Then, once the concrete evidence against Socrates was disproven, foilist votes Socrates. I don't see how that makes sense from a town perspective. I sense an ulterior motive for not voting Socrates in that first post of his, which is why I'm voting him.

[foilist13]

Did you completely miss my response to that? You have completely failed to explain why my actions are still scummy, or how my explanation is in some way unlikely or invalid. Even where your suspicions well founded, which they are not, how does that put me on a higher level of scumminess than MS, Robotnik, and Socrates?

[Nikanor]

You said you would wait to see what he had to say.
Socrates then said that he'd post an analysis of Unsight's posts to see if he was worth voting.
You didn't wait for said post, and instead just made up some numbers (you deny this, but I still fail to see how your statistics are valid) and voted Socrates.
Am I missing anything?

[foilist13]

My statistics should be easy enough to disprove if they are wrong. So do it.

[Pomegranate]

Weekly V/LA.

[Nikanor]

I'd give your stats a margin of error of about 20-25%, foilist. There's no way of knowing what our mod considers normal, or what roles he included in this game. Not only that, but we don't know how many scum there are in each team, or what abilities they have that could prevent kills.
So yeah, at least 20%. And even a margin of 11% puts your probability over the 50% mark.

[foilist13]

I've played with the mod before, and I know him pretty well. I'm only here because he invited me. I would bet hard cash that there are no outlandish roles in this game, and I already assumed a doc, which means the probability could easily be higher.

I already talked about the scum having kill blocking roles, so either you can take issue with what I said or not.

Based on that, the margin for error is a lot smaller than you think it is, maybe 10-15%

Even then, taking the lowest possible scenario, he still has a higher probability of being scum than anyone else. So why is that not strong evidence for you?

[Faraday]

Parama or Faraday are scum with Lowell, but not both.

Unvote

Let's say Socrates is town.

Vote: Parama

BM

all 3 of these people are prob town.

[Faraday]

Hey BM do you think Lowell's a werewolf or in the mafia?

[Faraday]

Am I crazy to think Pom is scum?

I don't know if BM is trying to confuse the town with that post or what.

No. I think she's scum too.

BM should run a second doctor who mafia on an unrelated note.

[Faraday]

the unsight case is on wherein some people think Unsight know's too much (i.e. seems to be sure soc will flip town) thus she'd be from the scumgroup with the missing kill? is that right or am I missing something (like is that a fair part of the case?)

[Unsight]

the unsight case is on wherein some people think Unsight know's too much (i.e. seems to be sure soc will flip town) thus she'd be from the scumgroup with the missing kill? is that right or am I missing something (like is that a fair part of the case?)

Nikanor's Vote + Nikanor's Explanation / Vezo's vote / Parama's Vote / Socrates' Vote / Midnight's Sorrow's Vote

Nikanor took my vote on Midnight's Sorrow to mean that I thought Socrates was innocent and three people I suspect/have voted immediately went "ZOMG, an Unsight wagon! Get her!" and boarded it. It is/was a terribad wagon, but it's nice to see so many scum in one place... especially Parama who has finally dropped the pretense of buddying with me.

[Socrates]

Anti-prod.

I will try to post something vaguely interesting tomorrow.