NY 114: Mafia vs. Werewolves (Game Over)

[Super Smash Bros. Fan]

Poll: Who would you say has done more this game- Pom, Lowell, or Dry-Fit?

•Pom
•Lowell
•Dry-Fit

My personal answer would be you. However, don't get all excited yet. Your amount of contributation isn't exactly something I'd write home about and you have done considerably less then other people (Parama is a very good example). Even then, the amount of contributation does not make you immortal or perfect, as you can still commit scum tells.

[Lowell]

@SSBF- one could make a living on this site just by pointing out my "obvscum"-ness. don't bother, no one will ever believe you.

vote pom

sounds fine to me

[Dry-fit]

Poll: Who would you say has done more this game- Pom, Lowell, or Dry-Fit?

•Pom
•Lowell
•Dry-Fit

I'm not concerned with what you've done for the game. I'm concerned about what you've done for the town, which is nada.

Glad this wagon is finally happening. I don't want to put her at L-2 until everyone's checked in though.

[tubby216]

man what i wouldn't give for one day vig shot ,,,lol

i know pom has been on the list for awhile. but i need to re-read pom in iso

also i understand the case on lowell, and i understand thats how lowell rolls, but i am hesitant to let him get away with it.

but at any rate i need to sober up and read some more ,,, more from me perhaps tomorrow nite

[Nikanor]

Note to all: We should be hunting for Werewolves today. Bringing the scum down to even numbers will hopefully put pressure on them to cross-kill, which is what we really need right now, especially if the scum started with four members each.

vezo is town and Nacho is town. Certain revelations yesterday say that Midnight is probably town.
I think I can say with a fair degree of certainty that Ythan is mafia, thanks to Furc's actions, so he's off the table for today's lynch.
That leaves us with nine people (eight from my pov). At least three, possibly four of these people are werewolves, and at least one, possibly three are mafia:
#

Dr. Robotnik

RichardGHP
# Dry-fit
# Lowell
#

Parama

# Pomegranate
#

SerialClergyman

Tubby216

#

Super Smash Bros. Fan

#

Timeater Battle Mage BlazezRb

AGar

I doubt that Parama, tubby (from SC's play), or SSBF are scum, so I've placed them as green text.

Parama

,

Tubby216

,

Nachomamma8

, Pomegranate, Lowell, RichardGHP and

vezokpiraka

were all on the Unsight wagon yesterday, in that order. We didn't get a complete wagon because of the modkill, but out of those three non-green names, two are probably scum.
I have no problem starting with Pomegranate, as she's the biggest wagon right now.

Who said it was going to be hard to get town reads again? I'm finding it rather easy, but maybe that's just because I'm amazing.

Vote: Pomegranate.

[MichelSableheart]

Second vote count of day 6.

AGar (0):
Dry-fit (0):
Lowell (1):

Super Smash Bros. Fan

Midnight's Sorrow (0):
Nachomamma8 (0):
Nikanor (0):
Parama (0):
Pomegranate (5):

AGar, Nachomamma8, Midnight's Sorrow, Lowell, Nikanor

RichardGHP (0):
Super Smash Bros. Fan (0):
Tubby216 (0):
vezokpiraka (0):
Ythan (0):

Not Voting (7):

Ythan, Dry-fit, Parama, Tubby216, Pomegranate, RichardGHP, vezokpiraka

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch someone.
Deadline for day 6 is thursday, august 12th 2010, 11.00 am GMT+1

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Pomegranate has announced V/LA during weekends.

Vezokpiraka has announced V/LA till next monday.

Parama has announced V/LA from 17th till 24th of july.

[AGar]

Poll: Who would you say has done more this game- Pom, Lowell, or Dry-Fit?

•Pom
•Lowell
•Dry-Fit

You really don't help your case with useless garbage like this.

[vezokpiraka]

Quick lynch. My buddies are dead .

[vezokpiraka]

Vote pom

[AGar]

Quick lynch. My buddies are dead .

This is why I hate confirmed town players...

[Dry-fit]

Claim.

[Super Smash Bros. Fan]

Just want to say that I'm not ready to lynch yet. We have not received inputs from everyone yet (RichardGHP and Parama haven't spoked ToDay) and given that Parama is V/LA until July 24th, 2010, we should give Parama and RichardGHP at least one chance to produce contents before lynching anyone. Beside, there's no need to rush as we have plenty of time left.

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@SSBF- one could make a living on this site just by pointing out my "obvscum"-ness. don't bother, no one will ever believe you.

That doesn't prevent me from putting forth effort into getting you lynched and trying to convince people that you are the most likely scum out of everyone here. Funny part is that you were slightly better Day 1, but gotten worse and worse as the game dragged on.

We should be hunting for Werewolves today. Bringing the scum down to even numbers will hopefully put pressure on them to cross-kill, which is what we really need right now, especially if the scum started with four members each.

I highly doubt we have four-man scum teams for both alignments. If we did, town would have lost already. I'm assuming we have three Werewolves and two Mafia's left. If we had four Werewolves and three Mafia's left, that means there would be seven scums to six townies and the Werewolves would have already won. Since the game is still going, I'm assuming we have eight townies and five scums left.

And I don't disagree to finding Werewolves, as they are a threat to town, but we still need to be concerned about the Mafia. If we hit Mafia ToDay, we'll have three Werewolves, but only one Mafia left. If we have a scum crosskill, that will wipe out the scum faction and leaves the town with only two Werewolves. Prehaps it decreases the cross scum-kill possibility, but it's not impossible. Whereas killing a Werewolf and having a scum cross-kill will leave us with one Mafia and one Werewolf.

The advantage of hitting Mafia ToDay and having a scum-crosskill of both scum alignments is that we are only left with one scum alignment and only one scum Night Kill to worry about. A Werewolf lynch and a scum-crosskill will still leave us with two scum factions to worry about.

[Nikanor]

I highly doubt we have four-man scum teams for both alignments. If we did, town would have lost already. I'm assuming we have three Werewolves and two Mafia's left. If we had four Werewolves and three Mafia's left, that means there would be seven scums to six townies and the Werewolves would have already won. Since the game is still going, I'm assuming we have eight townies and five scums left.

Wrong. If there is seven scum, there are a couple reasons why the game wouldn't be done yet. 1) A single scum team doesn't have the 50% needed to achieve their win condition, 2) It still needs to be determined whether the mafia or werewolves are the winners, and 3) It's still possible for town to win in such a scenario with cross-kills, even if it is unlikely.

And I don't disagree to finding Werewolves, as they are a threat to town, but we still need to be concerned about the Mafia. If we hit Mafia ToDay, we'll have three Werewolves, but only one Mafia left. If we have a scum crosskill, that will wipe out the scum faction and leaves the town with only two Werewolves. Prehaps it decreases the cross scum-kill possibility, but it's not impossible. Whereas killing a Werewolf and having a scum cross-kill will leave us with one Mafia and one Werewolf.

I considered this when writing my post, but again, there are a couple of reasons for why that's wrong. First, we don't know if there are two mafia or three, as I've stated above. If there are three left, lynching one would hardly help us. Second, while it would really put pressure on the mafia to cross-kill, the werewolves wouldn't be in such a position. They'd be able to take a death of a wolf and still be one member ahead of the mafia. The ideal situation is one in which the scums are killing each other.

[Pomegranate]

I am a VT.

And I will VOTE: Dry-Fit.

[Ythan]

Ythan. So you haven't even gleaned the thread at all? Mmk. I understand not reading 80+ pages. But reading nothing prior to your entrance is kinda retarded.

Kinda retarded like you gleaning nothing from my own much smaller number of posts? I don't know where to start. If you think something is important, by all means point it out.

[Parama]

Not much time, limited access.

This wagon is full of win and you know my theory even if Unsight flipped town :/

vote: Pome

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[AGar]

Mmm. The offensive insults. I've seen this somewhere before...

Anyways, someone hammer Pom. We caught another mafia, that's a successful day in my books.

[AGar]

ninja'd:

Thanks parama.

[Super Smash Bros. Fan]

Mmm. The offensive insults. I've seen this somewhere before...

Anyways, someone hammer Pom. We caught another mafia, that's a successful day in my books.

Parama kind of did that already.

[Ythan]

Mmm. The offensive insults. I've seen this somewhere before...

Was it your post? Because I think it was your post.

[Parama]

Now let's lynch Ythan tomorrow!

[Midnight's Sorrow]

^Yay!

[Ythan]

That's what happens when you replace Furc. Is there anything in the case that I can actually address myself?

[Ythan]

^Yay!

Says the most inherently anti-town player currently active on the site.

[Dry-fit]

^Yay!

Says the most inherently anti-town player currently active on the site.

Be careful you might hurt Lowell's feelings.