NY 114: Mafia vs. Werewolves (Game Over)

[Midnight's Sorrow]

Since when have you thought me scum parma?

[Parama]

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p2390193

[Midnight's Sorrow]

Really? That one thing made you think me scum over your other suspects, when you've never shown anything of that nature till then? Really?

...really.

[Parama]

I never listed you as town, and I never said you weren't on my scumlist (you weren't at the time Unsight said you were <_<).
But like I said, the wagon was full of opportunistic scum, and your vote looked the most opportunistic of them all.

HOWEVER.
Dry-fit is scum beyond a shadow of a doubt. You're just incredibly likely scum; Dry-fit IS scum.

[Nikanor]

Unvote, Vote: Dry-fit.

[AGar]

Timeater was unhelful and antitown. Battle Mage was unhelpful and antitown.

Anti-town != pro-scum.

Mafia Basics.

[AGar]

2 more. C'mon people!

[Parama]

Better response:
Timeater || Battle Mage != AGar

[Ythan]

As long as town and scum compete anti-town will be pro-scum.

[AGar]

Negatory, Ythan.

[Parama]

Ythan:
VIs are anti-town by nature. So your argument says that all VIs play to a scum wincon. Which means that any player labeled as a VI MUST be scum in every game they play in.
Obviously, your logic is faulty.

[Ythan]

No you fool. Pro-scum does not mean scum player any more than anti-town means not a town player. My logic is not faulty, your understanding of my incredibly simple logic is.

[Parama]

Pro-scum = playing towards a scum win condition

[Ythan]

Oh sorry, I assumed you knew definitions. Because that's not what that means.

[AGar]

Oh sorry, I assumed you knew definitions. Because that's not what that means.

Pro=Scum is beneficial to scum players.
Beneficial to scum players is positive progression towards the scum win condition.
Therefore, pro-scum is an action that produces positive progression towards the scum win condition.

This is one of the few cases where If a=b and b=c then a=c applies.

Anyways, this is MD debate. Ythan, get on the Dry-Fit wagon.

[RichardGHP]

Unvote
Vote Dry-fit

Works for me.

[Dry-fit]

Jesus. I guess I should claim then.

I am the archangel. I can block the mafia nightkill.

The reason I believe one of Lowell and richard is scum is because I assume there is a sorcerer who can block the werewolf kills as well as investigative roles for each faction. Adding in vezo as amason monk that makes five town roles. Therefore if we assume four scum there can't be more than one vanilla townie left.

[Nikanor]

Unvote.

I wouldn't mind a mass-claim. I'll start it off if people agree with me.

[AGar]

mass-claim for what reason?

[Nikanor]

If Dry-fit is telling the truth, we could have two confirmed townies. If Dry-fit is lying and there is no sorcerer, we lynch him. If Dry-fit is lying and his buddy backs him up, we'd get two scum when one gets shot by the opposing scumteam.
The same applies to the investigative roles we might have.

[AGar]

Umm... except there's no guarantee that there's a sorcerer, is there?

[AGar]

Holy shit something just clicked.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: tubby

[Ythan]

Ythan:
VIs are anti-town by nature. So your argument says that all VIs play to a scum wincon. Which means that any player labeled as a VI MUST be scum in every game they play in.
Obviously, your logic is faulty.

AGar did you not read this dumbass post.

vote Dry-Fit

[Midnight's Sorrow]

unvote

[AGar]

Ythan:
VIs are anti-town by nature. So your argument says that all VIs play to a scum wincon. Which means that any player labeled as a VI MUST be scum in every game they play in.
Obviously, your logic is faulty.

AGar did you not read this dumbass post.

vote Dry-Fit

I did. I don't agree with all of it.

And Dry-Fit wagon is old news. Tubby is much better, I promise.