Mafia 42: Italian - Game over!

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

vote FD

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

PB u really shouldn't carry grudges so far.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ROFL!

I don't buy into the Brian bandwagon.

Thus, I vote: Pooky

unvote

vote Jabroni

So let me get this straight, what exactly does not buying the Brian wagon have to do with joining the Pooky one? *Looks at connections, hmm there are none!* Brian hasn't accused Pooky and Pooky hasn't accused or voted Brian! Your statement is misleading at best and downright BS at worst. Why are you trying to make a connection between the 2 bandwagons like Pooky accused Brians or Pooky came out with information on Brian and Brian innocent must mean Pooky guilty? The only relationship that actually exists is that Pooky's being "randomly bandwagoned"(this means all pooky bandwagonners signed on with basically random, omgus or metagame reasons, nothing based on actual information) at a time when the momentum was moving very quickly into a Brianwagon, could it be that this is a diversionary wagon raised by some of Brian's scumbucket buddies?

Scum love to join bandwagons with crapreasons, Jabroni's post is so very evident of this. I can find no better candidate for lynch, PB please get your head out of your ass in regards to voting me, it'd be a damn shame if you vote me regardless of the scummy as hell actions of some other players around here.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

more lies.

*points BJ towards Civil War/Greek Myth*

Should I have just let myself be run up on crapreasoning?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Jabroni, I already spelled out the difference between you and every1 else, every1 else said "why not" which is basically random wagon, you actually connected me to Brian by saying, well I don't think Brian is scum, so Pooky must be it! Where the !@#$ is the connection between me and Brian, did I come out and accuse Brian? Did I claim to have a result on Brian? Hell I didn't even vote or FOS brian, so why would you make the connection that Brian innocent=Pooky scum? While other people came up with random as their reason(why not?!) you came up with an utterly BS, connecting me to the brianwagon. If you had bothered to even read my post, you would've been able to see that.

BJ, just because I don't play like you, when I'm protown and get wagoned I do more than say "that's not helpful" I actually point out the flaws in the wagon and attack the person that I feel is the most scummy out of the players around. I don't add nothing to discussion like you and just whine about that's not helpful or that I'm !@#$ing confirmed. I don't do that because it's not helpful to this town. You guys can choose to lynch the helpful ones and save the scum the trouble of nightkilling them, or you can choose to lynch the lazy noncontributive people who don't even care about this game.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Iammars, simulposting sucks, it's day 1 and if you guys really want to play bandwagon into claim over and over until we're out of roles and the mafia is laughing all the way to the bank, then that type of play would be valid. But frankly jumping on with a crapreason like that is still suspicious as Crunk.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Whatever. We need to get through day1 somehow and if you guys would rather play bandwagon to claim instead of looking at suspicious people, feel free to just pile on and string me up.

I'm not going to play the stupid random bandwagon-claim game with you guys because it's pretty stupid and a waste of my time, I came here to actually vote according to my suspicions and what other people do, not "hey why not?" let's wagon him!

You guys can go ahead and lynch me.

You won't get a claim out of me with a random bandwagon.

I'd give you guys some extra advice on what to do after I get lynched, but frankly a town that's wants to play randomwagon won't really need it so I'm not going to waste my time to type up any for you.

Good luck.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Your refusal to use logic and constant spewing of crap only slightly annoys me now, I somewhat expect you to play crappy like this.

I could almost say I'm disappointed.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

If any1 is unhelpful to the town, it's you and BJ, don't make me dig up every game where u've !@#$ed the town at some point by making some retarded playmistake, you and I both know how many there are.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Actually Jabroni, your vote on me was the only one to mention brian. There's a damn big difference between jumping on a bandwagon while mentioning brian and what every1 else did.

Seal it!??

I'll call BS on that PB, tell me what games I've been unhelpful to the town in where I was town, hell you list them out and link them and if I can't find more that apply to YOU, then I'll ask for a replacement in all my games with you so you can get someone who'll be more helpful than me, heck maybe they'll even follow you around like sheep.

Don't expect me to defend myself against general broad statements like he's unhelpful as town usually so we should lynch him and never let him get a chance to be town.

I'm really tired of your BS frankly.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

sigh BJ,

just because I put more effort into this game than you, just because I actually care about the game no matter what role I am, just because I don't think claiming should be taken lightly.

Doesn't make me scum.

I don't think you'll care tho, you don't take this game very seriously, heck maybe if I found some owls you'll be happy?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Flying Dutchman wrote:
Good morning all.

This bandwagon on Lying Brian looks like pure crap to me.... I'm better off with

OMGUS Vote: Pooky

He says he is better off OMGUS voting than crapbandwagoning, this statement makes no connection between the bandwagons, heck he's the first person to vote me, that's not even jumping on a bandwagon!


StevieT92 wrote:

vote pooky Why not? Also I don't really think Brian is scummy here

He's the third person to vote me, he votes by saying why not?(essentially random) he adds in as a side comment later that he feels that Brian isn't scummy, those 2 statements have nothing to do with each other, he could put them in different posts and the meaning would be the same

I don't buy into the Brian bandwagon.

Thus, I vote: Pooky

you on the other hand CONNECT the two statements with a THUS, you bandwagonning pooky is a DIRECT result of you not buying the Brianwagon, if you think the brianwagon is full of crap, why don't you vote who you think the person on the wagon who is scummiest to you is and label those points out? What the heck does the Brian wagon have to do with the Pookywagon other than that at the time pooky was the next runner up on the votecount? This isn't a bilateral system of voting with only 2 candidates!

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

FD didn't jump onto a bandwagon, he started it, Stevie jumped on but he had it in an entirely different clause without making a connection.

Voting for Bush/Nader? Margin between my wagon and the next closest one in the VC can't even be compared to the margin between Nader and Kerry.

That statement is a ridiculous misrepresentation of how the game of mafia works, I really have nothing to say to you if you honestly think that bilateral representation in American politics is also shown in Mafia games, the difference in margins and the votes controlled by each player is just so astronomically different.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

and what about my 2 sentences are you going to nitpick about?

I'm sorry you feel that me calling you on ur BS counts as nitpicking about "one word" perhaps the next time I see that your statement against me is BS i'll automatically assume that you didn't mean to actually say it and in my mind change one word around so that your craplogic makes sense. Perhaps that's how the game of mafia is meant to be played, perhaps craplogic should be assumed to be correct logic with slight word choice errors.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'll call your BS on that, FD didn't jump on a bandwagon as I accused you of doing, he STARTED THE BANDWAGON!

Stevie's VOTE did not mention the brianwagon, his post however did(and in an entirely circumstantial manner, he made no connection between the 2 bandwagons in his post)

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

as a town you should generally lynch those presenting a large amount of craplogic instead of those who are actually being helpful. Generally the scum are the ones who present a large amount of craplogic in an attempt to railroad townies into voting those who are actually being helpful.

It is generally the goal of these protown players to look over what has been said and decide who is full of crap and who is being helpful and present their reasoning as to why they chose this way, a lively debate then usually follows on the merits of reasoning of these players as they choose sides.

It is generally unhelpful for people to just jump on one side or the other without stating their reasoning as to why they found this or that convincing or this or that to be full of crap because then there is nothing to go back on later in the game.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

It's amazing that you can read my posts and say that all you read was craplogic lalalalalallalalalalalalalla


I guess you would rather have me not post any content at all so you could feel slightly less guilty about lynching me.

Oh wait, you guys don't lynch lurkers or anything like that, you lynch people who try to help.



This is not helpful(totally stolen from BJ)

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

This means one of two things-

A) He knew it was false, and ignored it, probably because it screwed him over.

B) He did not know it was false, which means he didn't properly read Page 4. Which does not necessarily mean scum, but it does mean someone who had a defense already set up, regardless of what people were saying.

A) Please tell me how it screws me over.

B) I've already stated what I mean and what I've interpreted from the posts of the others, you've continued to ignore this and nitpick excessively at what I've said and tried to misinterpret my words as much as possible. Stevie used a period, you used the conjunction "thus" if you honestly think those are the same and that I'm utterly talking out of where the sun doesn't shine by claiming that they are different, then I really suggest ESL classes for you.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Nice Mic, where did Fritz vote me?

why don't u look for that post first?

Can't stand the craplogic.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

can't wait for the republicans to call Jabroni out for Flip Flopping

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

let's lynch the dirty jabroniscum alrdy.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

how would he have known TSA didn't make any nightactions then?

this wagon is ridiculous, just let a vig take a shot at him instead of theorizing if the mafia have doctors to protect them or a GF who is immune to nightkills, we'll trip him up over information later(either he actually can investigate, or he'll have to out mafia members or guess)

now let's lynch jabroniscum[/img]

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

so ur claiming Mason? if you are I'm willing to give Jabroni a night to show us if he's the real thing or not.

unvote

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Cuz Godfathers are very likely to be able to investigate a player to see if they're out committing a nightaction or not!

Why yes sir, I've seen godfathers that can do that all the time!

*end sarcasm*

seriously FD, find me one game where a GF was able to do this.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

vote Fritzler

die scum die!

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Wouldn't it be kinda a waste to resurrect a townie when there's a doctor dead as well?

omgus vote BJ

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

unvote

vote Gonzo

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

unvote

vote zu_faul

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

damn, that's pretty convincing.

unvote

vote Lyingbrian

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

*sheepish shrug*

u know u could accuse him of demon worship and sacrificing babies to his blood god and I'd still probly believe u.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

is it our fault that we have so much respect for Vesuvan's skill that we take his words for gospel?

Sheesh, you can't be a good sheep anymore.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

If you guys are honestly too lazy to try to look for scum and want to randomly bandwagon away on day2, then I have absolutely nothing to say to you on this issue.

Just look at the speed of the development of this bandwagon and then take a look at its reasoning or complete lack there of!

I'm trying to play Mafia, I don't know what game you guys are trying to play.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Analysis of the Bandwagon:

unvote, vote Pooky

He has a scum tell, and I have seen it.....

This is where it starts, a basically indefensible attack on Pooky that has no substantial evidence behind it at all. Why were you voting elsewhere if you spotted a "tell" on Pooky?

unvote, vote: pooky

shameless bandwagonning

fine, a claimed tell by baby jesus on pooky, he is usually good with that stuff-

unvote, vote Pooky

based on BJ's tell which he hasn't shared with us!

Unvote, Vote: Pooky

Why not?

WTF type of reason is Why Not? IMO the most probable scumbag on the wagon.

vote pooky

more shameless sheepry

Oh we are, are we?

Well I have never been able to turn down a pooky-lynch.

Vote: Pooky

how bout the time when I was mafia in MTG? You sure were eager to not vote me then enh?

hm...they both lose.

vote pooky

HUGE FOS on LB.

more shameless sheepry

this game is stagnating, so...

vote: PookyTheMagicalBear

anybody ever hear of a random D2 bandwagon?

You sure must love those random bandwagons, heck why play mafia at all? let's just roll a dice at the beginning of every day and lynch the punk that comes up!

What the hell. vote: Pooky. Seems as productive as anything else right now.

another crap reason, second most likely scumbag on my bandwagon.

So I'm getting rub up by a bunch of sheep and their leader who hasn't even come up with a reason for me being scum but instead is touting a "tell" that I can't defend against or cite game history to rebuff because I don't know what it is!

I'll keep it simple, I'm not scum, BJ's wrong and it's absolutely ludicrious for the town to lynch on such flimsy logic on day 2.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I understand the tell thing, but this is a bloody game of mafia! not poker! It's not just babyjesus keeping my tell to himself so he can call my all-in later, it's babyjesus using a completely ridiculous reason to lynch me and every1 nodding and saying "yea that's pretty good, i'll roll with it"

We have nightkill information! We have day1 voting patterns! We can examine why there's a difference between number of kills for n1 and n2? Roleblocker maybe block scumbag making kill this time perhaps!?!?

We have a well developped wagon on LB for a ACTUAL reasons!

A game of mafia isn't about one person going hey I got a tell on person B, let's lynch him and every1 nodding and saying, yea that's pretty good let's do it!

Is BJ going to be punished when I turn up innocent? No! It was just BJ trying to get a lynch on his instincts.

Put yourself in my shoes, I know I'm innocent, and am getting chased into the lynching post by something that I have absolutely no way to defend against because I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS! Just think for a second about how ridiculous it is to lynch some1 based on that, something you don't know!

The game of mafia isn't supposed to be played by having a large number of sheep follow some random guy's gut instincts! Surely we're better than just rolling dice?

Seriously, if you guys want to play a game of logic and actually put EFFORT into this game and TRY HARD to win it for the town, then please try, I'm begging you, just TRY. If you honestly don't feel like trying and think it's much better to just follow the wagon based on the word of some1's who's incredibly unhelpful and tries to lead us on random gut instincts, then lynch me.

Because I honestly would not want to be a part of a game where people won't even put in that effort.

But please I beg you, do not let me live if you don't feel like actually putting in effort in this mafia game, because the last thing I want to go through, is a game where no1 feels like putting in effort, when no1 cares.

That game is less than fun to me, it's dead.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Pooky, if you're so innocent, why don't you just claim....

This may come as a shock to you, but sometimes it is better to HIDE THINGS from scum.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

You´re wrong about that and you have nothing to back ur BS argument up other than a ¨tell¨ that is wrong and you can´t share with us.

Also, note that the first sentence quoted PRESUMES MY INNOCENCE with the ¨if you´re so innocent¨ clause, I´m pointing out what you´ve already stated in another game, you can´t rebutt this with an accusation of scumness in me because your first statement is based on my innocence, frankly your presumption and your rebuttal are contradictions and you´re committing what we call a ¨logical fallacy¨(more commonly known as spouting BS and puffing smoke in the air, quite a common scumtactic)

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

nice logic there

BJ = scum

see I can do it too!

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Pooky love you long time?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

wow PB and BJ, for 2 people who've contributed both close to nothing to this game in terms of helping the town find scumbags, you 2 sure are full of yourselves.

Keep trying to bully people into voting based on no evidence and ur gutshot feelings.

Makes you 2 look like geniuses.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

wow, now the tell turned into a clue?!?

I'm a cop.

You want results?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ok so mebbe I lied(like you've never done THAT before), heck I didn't think a shooting death would look very nice at all on my record.

I'm your vigilante, I'll kill myself tonight if you guys want(don't waste a lynch on me)

Also if I'm scum, how do you explain the fact that there's one shooting death on n1 but none on night 2? Did I just decide to quit the killing business after knocking out my good friend Coron?(ok so I had a vendetta to settle with coron, he has a long history of being useless, so I vigged him, then I didn't see any better targets so I didn't kill last night)

Vigilante is a very very unlynchable claim for 2 important reasons:

1) There's almost always a vigilante in a large game thrown in to make the game go by faster than 2 dead per day/nightcycle, there's usually not more than 1 because moderators r scared of making the game go by too quickly. Usually there is EXACTLY one vigilante, and if he isn't me, then he can shoot me at night, there's no need for a vigilante to counterclaim BECAUSE HE CAN DO IT BY BLASTING ME TO DEATH AT NIGHT(why waste a lynch on me when our vig will do it if I'm not the vig?)
2) If you guys really think I'm scumbag and am beyond salvation, I will carry out my duty and shoot myself so that you guys can get an extra lynch, I'm not happy about carrying this out but if you guys honestly believe I am a hindrance to this game, then make a note of those who believe this and I will commit the coup-de-grace myself at night and give you guys an extra lynch.

There is honestly no reason to lynch me at this juncture.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

dude I'm promising you guys that if you guys honestly think I should be caput, that I'll shoot myself.

If I'm lying then you'd notice tommmorrow and lynch me anyway!