NY 120: Flash mafia 2. GAME OVER

[Parama]

Hmm.

Poro and vollkan are probably both scum. Poro moreso.

unvote, vote: Porochaz

[RichardGHP]

Vote: Prozac

Random.org told me to.

Vote: Richard

Why did you decide to use random.org?

Do you have a better suggestion?

My wagon is alarming. Somebody do something suspicious so we can get out of RVS.

Hmm.

Poro and vollkan are probably both scum. Poro moreso.
unvote, vote: Porochaz

Reasons?

[vollkan]

Hmm.

Poro and vollkan are probably both scum. Poro moreso.

unvote, vote: Porochaz

Because?

Do you have a better suggestion?

Answer my question

[Parama]

RVS speculation that I can't justify but am willing to throw around anyways because I feel the need to.
Poro is intentionally avoiding the growing Rich wagon
Timing of vollkan's vote + need to justify it with some other reason other than "LOL WAGON"

just both come off as scummy

[RichardGHP]

vollkan, RVS stands for Random Voting Stage. What better way of participating in it than utilising a random generator?

In other news, you're living up to your title right off the bat. Are you going to be like this for the whole game?

[Budja]

^ Happier with my vote.

@Parama, what's the problem with not joining the big wagon?

[vollkan]

Timing of vollkan's vote + need to justify it with some other reason other than "LOL WAGON"

1) What specifically about the timing?
2) My vote wasn't a random vote. Thus, why should I have justified it with "LOL, WAGON"?

vollkan, RVS stands for Random Voting Stage. What better way of participating in it than utilising a random generator?

1) What in your view is the purpose of the RVS?
2) How does using a random generator advance that purpose?

In other news, you're living up to your title right off the bat. Are you going to be like this for the whole game?

That's why it's my title

[RichardGHP]

1) What in your view is the purpose of the RVS?
2) How does using a random generator advance that purpose?

1) It generates discussion and instigates reactions. In saying that, it hardly if ever seems to do either of those very adequately.
2) If it has a reason, it is not random, thereby missing the point of the stage's namesake. Personally, I prefer games with a night start so that RVS is much shorter or overlooked altogether. Bloody thing can die in a fire as far as I'm concerned.

[Espeonage]

1) What in your view is the purpose of the RVS?
2) How does using a random generator advance that purpose?

1) It generates discussion and instigates reactions. In saying that, it hardly if ever seems to do either of those very adequately.

That's because you have already shown that you do it wrong. Even playing by normal rvs protocols would have been better.

2) If it has a reason, it is not random, thereby missing the point of the stage's namesake.

lol you're missing the point of rvs. If it was completely random then we would never get anything from the rvs.

Personally, I prefer games with a night start so that RVS is much shorter or overlooked altogether. Bloody thing can die in a fire as far as I'm concerned.

[RichardGHP]

What, exactly, is wrong with my RVS play?

It's called Random Voting Stage for a reason. I appreciate that following a meme to the letter may seem profoundly extravagant, but what else do you expect me to do? I can't make suspicious posts appear out of thin air. Nobody in this game is worth Policy Lynching and the one person I would want to vote for a reason has already voted for me. The only logical and feasible option is to vote for someone on a random basis.

[Espeonage]

Pressure. That is the true aim of rvs. To build pressure and from that things happen. It could be a slip up by a confident scum. Someone falling apart under the pressure or just simply a few small bits like people that don't choose to join the wagon(s).

The proper way is to provide a reasoning. People who post VOTE: suchandsuch for no reason are being anti town. Not anything worth going into but anti town nonetheless. It is those early little tidbits that lead to the first weak cases which leads to pressure which leads us out of rvs. Now I'm glad that we have gotten two great things from this rvs. A wagon on you and this discussion which people can use later on in the day to actually get the game going somewhere.

You are taking the name Random Voting Stage too literally. If you want a proper name something like Non-committal Case Stage would be better as that is more accurate.

All I am saying you did incorrectly (albeit saved by other people and not severe by any measure, not that it is really that important but eh.) was that you robbed the town of a potential post that can be analysed. This is magnified by it being your first post and first impressions are very important in mafia because no matter what people will get opinions from the first bit they read.

That is all for my little rantish thing. Let us continue with the game.

[Espeonage]

ebwop: When i say you were anti town I am not implying you were scummy here. Just that you weren't making the best play in the towns interests which from what I gather you were not aware of seeing as I have just explained it to you.

[RichardGHP]

Very well. I'm going to concede at this point and commence minor analysis tomorrow.

[Fishythefish]

RVS speculation that I can't justify but am willing to throw around anyways because I feel the need to.
Poro is intentionally avoiding the growing Rich wagon
Timing of vollkan's vote + need to justify it with some other reason other than "LOL WAGON"

just both come off as scummy

unvote, vote: Parama

Parama gives reasons here, but in the first and last lines he's trying to distance himself from them. It's like he doesn't want to be found scummy for a weak case.

[JDodge]

JDodge, likewise! Made me awww that you still remember that game.

I was just rereading through it the other day and reminiscing. We agreed that you guys probably played better than anyone else in the game.

Vote: Parama

Let's see how this wagon progresses.

[Parama]

RVS speculation that I can't justify but am willing to throw around anyways because I feel the need to.
Poro is intentionally avoiding the growing Rich wagon
Timing of vollkan's vote + need to justify it with some other reason other than "LOL WAGON"

just both come off as scummy

unvote, vote: Parama

Parama gives reasons here, but in the first and last lines he's trying to distance himself from them. It's like he doesn't want to be found scummy for a weak case.

Hmmm.

JDodge, likewise! Made me awww that you still remember that game.

I was just rereading through it the other day and reminiscing. We agreed that you guys probably played better than anyone else in the game.

Vote: Parama

Let's see how this wagon progresses.

HMMMM.

First person to vote seriously gets wagoned. How fun.

[Parama]

Confirm vote: Porochaz

[vollkan]

Very well. I'm going to concede at this point and commence minor analysis tomorrow.

I find it interesting that you are conceding here. I have a similar view of RVS to what you have in your posts, and Espy's defence of RVS has a number of serious flaws in it (I'll spare everyone a theory debate), so I can't see why you would "concede" (as opposed to even just dismissing the issue as a theory point)

RVS speculation that I can't justify but am willing to throw around anyways because I feel the need to.
Poro is intentionally avoiding the growing Rich wagon
Timing of vollkan's vote + need to justify it with some other reason other than "LOL WAGON"

just both come off as scummy

unvote, vote: Parama

Parama gives reasons here, but in the first and last lines he's trying to distance himself from them. It's like he doesn't want to be found scummy for a weak case.

@Parama: Rather than Hmmming, how about responding to the point he makes against you?

First person to vote seriously gets wagoned

I'M THE MOST PRO-TOWN PERSON SO FAR; HOW DARE YOU VOTE ME!

Unvote, Vote: Parama

[Porochaz]

Interesting, your getting scum reads from me voting randomly in a Random Voting Stage?

[RichardGHP]

Conceding, dismissing, they both have more or less the same effect. Don't you agree?

[Parama]

RVS speculation that I can't justify but am willing to throw around anyways because I feel the need to.
Poro is intentionally avoiding the growing Rich wagon
Timing of vollkan's vote + need to justify it with some other reason other than "LOL WAGON"

just both come off as scummy

unvote, vote: Parama

Parama gives reasons here, but in the first and last lines he's trying to distance himself from them. It's like he doesn't want to be found scummy for a weak case.

@Parama: Rather than Hmmming, how about responding to the point he makes against you?

Sure.
The logic is incredibly weak but it's still strong enough for me to not want to random vote.
Problem is that Poro's most recent post is worse than his RVS post. He should be voting me IMO.

First person to vote seriously gets wagoned

I'M THE MOST PRO-TOWN PERSON SO FAR; HOW DARE YOU VOTE ME!

Well, yeah, to me I'm the most pro-town person, with Rich as second. RVS should make it obvious that Rich probably isn't scum. At least we're getting rid of a retarded RVS L-2 wagon now d(''d)

[RichardGHP]

Well, yeah, to me I'm the most pro-town person, with Rich as second. RVS should make it obvious that Rich probably isn't scum. At least we're getting rid of a retarded RVS L-2 wagon now d(''d)

I think I'm seeing things.

[Parama]

I've gotten to the point where I just ignore the stupid scummy things you say and judge your towniness or scumminess by who's voting you/how quick votes pile onto you.

[Parama]

RVS speculation that I can't justify but am willing to throw around anyways because I feel the need to.
Poro is intentionally avoiding the growing Rich wagon
Timing of vollkan's vote + need to justify it with some other reason other than "LOL WAGON"

just both come off as scummy

unvote, vote: Parama

Parama gives reasons here, but in the first and last lines he's trying to distance himself from them. It's like he doesn't want to be found scummy for a weak case.

@Parama: Rather than Hmmming, how about responding to the point he makes against you?

Sure.
The logic is incredibly weak but it's still strong enough for me to not want to random vote.
Problem is that Poro's most recent post is worse than his RVS post. He should be voting me IMO.

Then again, weak logic in RVS has caught scum for me before...

[Ojanen]

Nobody in this game is worth Policy Lynching and the one person I would want to vote for a reason has already voted for me.

Who and why?
You're being squeamish about being perceived omgussing, but very openly so.

vollkan, why ask Richard about using random.org when you later imply that you don't subscibe to arbitrary RVS voting>random RVS voting?

vote: Porochaz

Dislike of his question to Parama. His expectation of reasonability at this stage. Mildness.