NY 120: Flash mafia 2. GAME OVER

[Espeonage]

VOTE: Vollkan

[mikeburnfire]

Oh, hai guys.

vote: Oman

[JDodge]

RVS speculation that I can't justify but am willing to throw around anyways because I feel the need to.
Poro is intentionally avoiding the growing Rich wagon
Timing of vollkan's vote + need to justify it with some other reason other than "LOL WAGON"

just both come off as scummy

unvote, vote: Parama

Parama gives reasons here, but in the first and last lines he's trying to distance himself from them. It's like he doesn't want to be found scummy for a weak case.

@Parama: Rather than Hmmming, how about responding to the point he makes against you?

Sure.
The logic is incredibly weak but it's still strong enough for me to not want to random vote.
Problem is that Poro's most recent post is worse than his RVS post. He should be voting me IMO.

"His logic is weak." "His RVS post."

These two are

really incompatible

.

"He should be voting me" is even more troubling. Step it up, bitch.

First person to vote seriously gets wagoned

I'M THE MOST PRO-TOWN PERSON SO FAR; HOW DARE YOU VOTE ME!

Well, yeah, to me I'm the most pro-town person, with Rich as second. RVS should make it obvious that Rich probably isn't scum. At least we're getting rid of a retarded RVS L-2 wagon now d(''d)

Yeah, don't start from the "I'm the most pro-town person!!!!" perspective or I'm not taking you seriously for the rest of the game. It shows that you're going to refuse to admit that any of your actions could

possibly

be wrong, and I'm not dealing with that.

I've gotten to the point where I just ignore the stupid scummy things you say and judge your towniness or scumminess by who's voting you/how quick votes pile onto you.

Glad we've gotten to the "I'm not going to actually play " phase so quickly!

RVS speculation that I can't justify but am willing to throw around anyways because I feel the need to.
Poro is intentionally avoiding the growing Rich wagon
Timing of vollkan's vote + need to justify it with some other reason other than "LOL WAGON"

just both come off as scummy

unvote, vote: Parama

Parama gives reasons here, but in the first and last lines he's trying to distance himself from them. It's like he doesn't want to be found scummy for a weak case.

@Parama: Rather than Hmmming, how about responding to the point he makes against you?

Sure.
The logic is incredibly weak but it's still strong enough for me to not want to random vote.
Problem is that Poro's most recent post is worse than his RVS post. He should be voting me IMO.

Then again, weak logic in RVS has caught scum for me before...

Don't pull that appeal to experience BS with me because:

A) I can out-experience you at least fivefold, and

B) One example is not statistically significant.

Dislike of his question to Parama. His expectation of reasonability at this stage. Mildness.

So your problem with Prozac is that you don't like the question he asked, he expects people to be reasonable, and he isn't making a prick of himself.

Makes perfect sense to me!

[Porochaz]

RVS speculation that I can't justify but am willing to throw around anyways because I feel the need to.
Poro is intentionally avoiding the growing Rich wagon
Timing of vollkan's vote + need to justify it with some other reason other than "LOL WAGON"

just both come off as scummy

unvote, vote: Parama

Parama gives reasons here, but in the first and last lines he's trying to distance himself from them. It's like he doesn't want to be found scummy for a weak case.

@Parama: Rather than Hmmming, how about responding to the point he makes against you?

Sure.
The logic is incredibly weak but it's still strong enough for me to not want to random vote.
Problem is that Poro's most recent post is worse than his RVS post. He should be voting me IMO.

See I dont understand this, why would you want me to be voting you?

Im not voting you because it could have been a random vote, (which is what I was trying to establish) or you were just being incredibly stupid or you were doing it to test reactions. The reason "Im voting you because you didn't join this RVS wagon" is one of the worst reasons Ive heard for voting someone in a game.

I don't want to vote you because out of all 3 reasons, not 1 is indicative of scummy behaviour.

Then again, weak logic in RVS has caught scum for me before...

See from this post I'm going to believe its the first reason. I'm glad you can give us just the one instance where this strategy has worked before.

^ Happier with my vote.

@Parama, what's the problem with not joining the big wagon?

I should point out that I'm not unhappy about joining any wagon, I just chose not to.

Nobody in this game is worth Policy Lynching and the one person I would want to vote for a reason has already voted for me.

Who and why?
You're being squeamish about being perceived omgussing, but very openly so.

vollkan, why ask Richard about using random.org when you later imply that you don't subscibe to arbitrary RVS voting>random RVS voting?

vote: Porochaz

Dislike of his question to Parama. His expectation of reasonability at this stage. Mildness.

I like your post, it kind of sums up why I didn't like the last two lines of 34. However I would ask you to expand more on your points for voting for me. So I could address them better. Thanks.

[Fishythefish]

Sure.
The logic is incredibly weak but it's still strong enough for me to not want to random vote.
Problem is that Poro's most recent post is worse than his RVS post. He should be voting me IMO.

My problem isn't with you casting a weak RVS vote. Anything is better than nothing early in the game. My problem is with you undermining your own reasoning by admitting that you were virtually voting off nothing. That really weakens the effect of any vote, and just looks like a way to avoid taking responsibility for your own semi-serious vote.

[Budja]

^^ I agree with Porochaz. I'm seeing reaction-hunting, especially with that vote confirmation.

[Luchris]

Hi guys.

[Luchris]

Luchris, alt or newbie?

Alt.

[vollkan]

Conceding, dismissing, they both have more or less the same effect. Don't you agree?

I think a concession is much more likely to stop the other player from continuing to push on the point.

First person to vote seriously gets wagoned

I'M THE MOST PRO-TOWN PERSON SO FAR; HOW DARE YOU VOTE ME!

Well, yeah, to me I'm the most pro-town person, with Rich as second. RVS should make it obvious that Rich probably isn't scum. At least we're getting rid of a retarded RVS L-2 wagon now d(''d)

You've missed my point. Why is yourself being the first person to vote seriously relevant to you being wagonned? You strongly implied that there was some connection.

Also, my "MOST PRO-TOWN PERSON" was sarcastic; as in, the way I read your first post it was like you were suggesting that the votes on you were scummy because you were the most pro-town (because you were the first to seriously vote)

Then again, weak logic in RVS has caught scum for me before...

Compare the number of times you've seen weak logic in RVS not catch scum in RVS with the number of times ('time' singular?) you've seen it actually do so. Is the better explanation not simply that you got lucky?

vollkan, why ask Richard about using random.org when you later imply that you don't subscibe to arbitrary RVS voting>random RVS voting?

Consistency check.

I think RVS is a load of crap, but since I haven't been able to find a viable alternative (see: my failed experiments with self-voting in RVS to immediately create a shitstorm) I don't make a fuss about it.

In Rich's case, if he was going to maintain that RVS was valuable then his decision to use random.org would have been inconsistent and I would have pressed him on that. However, since his position is that RVS is largely useless, his actions were consistent.

vote: Porochaz
Dislike of his question to Parama. His expectation of reasonability at this stage. Mildness.

Why is it scummy to expect reasonableness at this stage?

The things that people get voted for in RVS are always much less important than later game, but they still should be reasonable points

VOTE: Vollkan

Because?

[RichardGHP]

Limited Access until Tuesday, 19th of October.

[mykonian]

votecount

Porochaz (3): RichardGHP, Parama, Ojanen
Parama (3): Fishythefish, JDodge, Vollkan
mikeburnfire(2): Untrod Tripod, Porochaz
Oman (1): mikeburnfire
RichardGHP (1): Budja
Vollkan (1): Espeonage


Not voting (2): Oman, Luchris


RichardGHP's LA has been noted.
Oman is V/LA for this weekend.

[Espeonage]

VOTE: Vollkan

Because?

You tell me.

[vollkan]

VOTE: Vollkan

Because?

You tell me.

Unvote, Vote: Espeonage

[Espeonage]

Acceptable but still null.
UNVOTE: vollkan
VOTE: Parama

[Parama]

Acceptable but still null.
UNVOTE: vollkan
VOTE: Parama

lol. scum #2 right here

[Espeonage]

Acceptable but still null.
UNVOTE: vollkan
VOTE: Parama

lol. scum #2 right here

lol. your a better player than that.

[Parama]

makes you look even worse btw

And yes I know I'm a better player than that. It saddens me that I haven't found all 3 yet, but 2 for now will suffice.

[Espeonage]

This is good. When more people have commented we can get this game going places.

[mikeburnfire]

You guys are making my job so much easier. Consecutive Serial Killer wins, here I come.

unvote, vote Porochaz

[Fishythefish]

@Espeonage: what were your reasons for your volkan vote? What are your reasons for your Parama vote?

[Espeonage]

Nothing yet. the vollkan vote came to nothing. Parama remains to be seen.

[Parama]

Nothing yet. the vollkan vote came to nothing. Parama remains to be seen.

So you're voting someone to pressure them regardless of whether you suspect them or not? hurrr

[Untrod Tripod]

So I was reading back through the RVS stuff, thinking maybe Parama was a weak end-of-RVS suspect. Then I read this

VOTE: Vollkan

Because?

You tell me.

Wat. I cannot, for the life of me, figure out what the purpose to that was.

vote Espeonage

then vote for Parama when voll votes you? I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH HERRE

[Espeonage]

And I wouldn't expect you to. It is for my benefit not yours ... yet. That is assuming you are town.

I have a suspects just from the reactions on this page. Two in fact. But they will be revealed later when cases can be made.

[Fishythefish]

@Espeonage: in you RVS theory post, you seem to feel strongly that providing reasons for votes is a good thing. Why aren't you giving reasons for yours?