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Post Post #750 (ISO) » Tue Dec 07, 2010 12:02 pm

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I see that the deed has been done but I'll post this anyway, for posteity...
In #303, Mert wrote:Okay, here are my thoughts from my last content post onward. I'm writing this stream of consciousness style as I read through the game so
apologies in advance1
if I ask or state something which was later addressed. So:
Ecto [174]: Not really fond of this post - seems pretty clear to me what MBL was getting at and this looks like a case of stalling for time with a bit of a deflection.

Ythill [180]: Not entirely sure I'd call it "elaborate groundwork" - stripped down the argument was "pressure lurkers" vs Ythill's "don't pressure lurkers, some of our replacements are good people". It did initially strike me as a possible "welp, my scumbuddy might be a lurker" but
my comment on that matter was meant a little offhandedly anyway2
.
This isn't a bad post but it's not a huge tick in the Ythilltown box either3
.

inHim [183]: Apparently I have a disregard for finger pointing and name calling and this is a cause for concern.
I'm not really sure I understand what this part of his post is getting at4
- sounds flippant and jokey but if I've missed something that is genuinely meant to be directed at me, please say so.

Chamber [192]:
Seems to be pushing for the UTwagon after it's already begun subsiding5
and I'm not entirely sure why. Noting this for later reference more than anything.

Ecto [207]: "My reply is because I'm not" - effectively says he's not contributing simply because he's not contributing. I know this came in an "I'm away for a bit" post so
could be null due simply to being rushed6
but it's noteworthy all the same.

Ythill [208]: Not sure how the two lines he quoted from Glork are mutually exclusive and
I'm a little concerned7
about the way they are presented as such.

--> sidenote: where's CES been in all this? Not seen many posts from him yet after a good couple of pages of content.

Ecto [215]:
While Stark did kinda suggest he was stupid, I'm not sure his post was as "full of adhom" as was claimed.8
Another example of highlighting a reason to deflect whilst not answering the content part.

--> Hmmm, lack of content from IH as well.

Shanba [241]:
Not feeling Ectowagon9
. Not really sure why or how he could not at least think Ecto warrants a further probing.

Shanba [248]: Ah okay, there's the answer.

Ecto [254]: Still stalling for some reason. From his post about reads I got the feeling he was basically saying "I don't use 'when player X says A he is likely scum' type stuff" which is fine but I dislike the way he still hasn't addressed the core issue of who he suspects and why. He's made a lot of posts by this point and ignored the question being asked of him by numerous people.

Chamber/Ythill big back-and-forth... thing. I'm not really sure this is beneficial content from either player, really.10
Don't know why he thinks Ythill's [267] was "classic scum post" but it mainly seems like fluff regardless.

Yos [286]: I agree with what he says about Chamber regarding the "fishing for a reaction" thing - I don't see how choosing not to reply is not, in itself, a reaction that can be looked into anyway.

CES [294]: Agreed - for what it's worth, I also would have said no to the stupid bet thing whatever my alignment and whatever the situation. Not going to consider
Chamber saying no to the bet thing as a tell either way.11


UT [298]:
Was wondering when he'd show up - he got terribly quiet for a while after his wagon subsided, though that could just be holiday-related. Starts off by saying his Fritz vote was a bunch of crap but then goes on to defend his Fritz vote in some depth, which strikes me as very odd.12
General thoughts?
Mainly null on the majority of people13
- Glork, Yos and, to a lesser extent, CDB seem pretty town to me right now.
Lack of any kind of read on Fritz14
but that's exactly what I expected anyway - typical post to say I'll want to hear more out of him as the game goes on
which I'm sure has been said a million times on this site by now15
.

As for the scum, right now I'm going to
Unvote, Vote: Ectomancer
, though I'm still keeping an eye on UT.
Ythill and Chamber (no particular order) are people I want to go back and re-read first, as each of those two has had some weird moments in my initial readthrough so I want to poke them a little more thoroughly. Possibly MBL and Flameaxe after that, mainly for gut-related reasons.16
And yeah, IH needs to post, as though that's of any surprise to anybody at all.

Back and getting on top of things again now so
fire away with any questions you have for me or anything I've missed that you wanted me to address while I was away17
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  1. Preemptive excuses.
  2. Backing off of an accusation that is now known to be unpopular.
  3. Fence-sitting.
  4. Playing dumb on defense.
  5. Casting suspicion at people who are still pushing UT while he is still voting UT. So either his vote was dishonest or "I'm writing this stream of consciousness style" was.
  6. Softening his own suspicions.
  7. More soft suspicions.
  8. Citing scope in his read of a bombastic exchange and then calling it a deflection.
  9. Attacking peple who are anti-Ecto-lynch even though Mert has supposedly noit decided that he's pro-Ecto-lynch at the time.
  10. Fence-sitting fluff.
  11. More fence-sitting.
  12. Oh... now he's suspicious of UT. :roll:
  13. Fence in the butt.
  14. More fence in the butt.
  15. Preemptive meta-defense for the guy he explicitly has no read on.
  16. The promised poking never materialized.
  17. Trying to sound like he's present and participating because... he's not and others are getting in trouble for that.
This was rushed. I probably missed things.
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Town 10W/15L
Scum 4W/1L
Other 2W/2L
Newbie 1L


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Post Post #751 (ISO) » Tue Dec 07, 2010 12:09 pm

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Anyway... that hammer makes me happy. I think we're about to see a scumflip. Even if we don't, this was a very good decision.

I was worried for awhile. I mean, this game is supposed to be full of hardcore veteran players. If we nolynched D1, well... I guess that would mean the n00bs are better than us at this game. :(
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Post Post #752 (ISO) » Tue Dec 07, 2010 12:12 pm

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Or it would just mean you need a certain amount of people who are willing to sheep in a game.
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Post Post #753 (ISO) » Tue Dec 07, 2010 12:23 pm

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Not a bad point, actually. We are shepherd-heavy.
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Post Post #754 (ISO) » Tue Dec 07, 2010 12:24 pm

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FTR, I'm moving CES back to null at this point.
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Post Post #755 (ISO) » Tue Dec 07, 2010 12:31 pm

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It's not early enough to draw those kinds of connections yet I think, Ythill.

It's weird to see people not hammer at deadline, but I'm not exactly surprised that chamber is weird. I thought BBM relished hammering?
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Post Post #756 (ISO) » Tue Dec 07, 2010 12:38 pm

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I don't remember that being a thing...Like, at all.
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Post Post #757 (ISO) » Tue Dec 07, 2010 12:41 pm

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Votecount

Ectomancer (2) -- stark, Mert
inHimshallibe (3) -- Lord Gurgi, Shanba, chamber
MrBuddyLee (2) -- Glork, Fritzler
Mert (10) -- HackerHuck, Ythill, DrippingGoofball, inHimshallibe, Ectomancer, ChannelDelibird, CrashTextDummie, Cogito Ergo Sum, Yosarian2, Flameaxe

Not voting: MrBuddyLee
18 alive, 10 to lynch

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Mert - Vanilla Townie - lynched day 1


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Post Post #758 (ISO) » Thu Dec 09, 2010 6:33 am

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Porochaz replaces Flameaxe.
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Post Post #759 (ISO) » Fri Dec 10, 2010 2:29 pm

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Day 2 dawns....

Ectomancer - Doctor - killed night 1
Fritzler - Supersaint - killed night 1


With 15 players remaining, it takes 8 votes to lynch. I'm giving today a fairly generous deadline extension because I know how quiet the christmas periods are; deadline will hit on the 4th of January. It won't be extended beyond that.
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Post Post #760 (ISO) » Fri Dec 10, 2010 2:55 pm

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Welcome, Porochaz!

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Post Post #761 (ISO) » Fri Dec 10, 2010 3:02 pm

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Vote: Yosarian2
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Post Post #762 (ISO) » Fri Dec 10, 2010 3:05 pm

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Vote CDB
He needs to hang.
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Post Post #763 (ISO) » Fri Dec 10, 2010 4:54 pm

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SCUMPUTER


Glork (1) --
Mert

MrBuddyLee (1) -- Glork
chamber (2) -- stark, Yosarian2
stark (1) --
Ectomancer

CrashTextDummie (6) --
Fritzler
, Shanba, UT/CDB, Cogito Ergo Sum,
IH/DrippingGoofball
, inHimshallibe
Ectomancer
(1) -- Ythill
Ythill (1) -- HackerHuck
UT/CDB (3) -- CrashTextDummie, Flameaxe, chamber
inHimshallibe (1) -- Lord Gurgi

chamber (1) -- Yosarian2
CrashTextDummie (1) --
IH/DrippingGoofball

Ectomancer
(3) -- Ythill, stark, MrBuddyLee
Ythill (1) -- HackerHuck
UT/CDB (7) -- CrashTextDummie, Flameaxe, chamber,
Mert
, Cogito Ergo Sum,
Fritzler
, Glork
inHimshallibe (2) -- Lord Gurgi, Shanba
Mert
(1) -- inHimshallibe
Fritzler
(1) -- UT/CDB

Ectomancer
(4) -- stark, Cogito Ergo Sum,
Mert
, Yosarian2
Ythill (2) -- HackerHuck, CrashTextDummie
inHimshallibe (5) -- Lord Gurgi, Shanba, UT/CDB, chamber, Ythill
MrBuddyLee (4) -- Glork,
DrippingGoofball
,
Fritzler
, inHimshallibe
Yosarian2 (1) --
Ectomancer



25 points

Shanba, UT/CDB, CES, InHim

20 points

CTD, Flameaxe, chamber, CES, Glork

20 points

LG, Shanba, UT/CDB, chamber, Ythill

50 points

Glork, InHim

33 points

stark, CES, Yosarian

InHim = 25+20+50 = 95
CES = 25+20+33 = 78
Glork = 20+50 = 70
Shanba = 25+20 = 45
UT/CDB = 25+20 = 45
chamber = 20+20 = 40
stark = 33
Yosarian = 33
CTD = 20
Flameaxe = 20
LG = 20
Ythill = 20
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Post Post #764 (ISO) » Fri Dec 10, 2010 4:58 pm

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Why would anyone bother off'ing Fritzler???

He voted:
CTD
UT/CDB
Ectomancer
MBL

I'm awarding each of these guys 5 scumpoints.

InHim = 25+20+50 = 95
CES = 25+20+33 = 78
Glork = 20+50 = 70
UT/CDB = 25+20+5 = 50
Shanba = 25+20 = 45
chamber = 20+20 = 40
stark = 33
Yosarian = 33
CTD = 20+5 = 25
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Ythill = 20
Ectomancer = 5
MBL = 5
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Post Post #765 (ISO) » Fri Dec 10, 2010 5:05 pm

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Patrick wrote:Votecount

Ectomancer (2) -- stark, Mert
inHimshallibe (3) -- Lord Gurgi, Shanba, chamber
MrBuddyLee (2) -- Glork, Fritzler
Mert (10) -- HackerHuck, Ythill, DrippingGoofball, inHimshallibe, Ectomancer, ChannelDelibird, CrashTextDummie, Cogito Ergo Sum, Yosarian2, Flameaxe

Not voting: MrBuddyLee
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Post Post #766 (ISO) » Fri Dec 10, 2010 5:10 pm

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DGB, is there a reason you chose those moments to snapshot? For instance you don't have me on the CTD wagon even though I'm quite sure I was voting for him at 1 point.
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Post Post #767 (ISO) » Fri Dec 10, 2010 5:19 pm

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That's not a very bold statement, HH. There will almost certainly be at least one scum out of {one third of the living playerlist}.
My pressing question: Why did you omit MBL from that list?


Mulling over where I want to put my vote right now, but it will probably wind up somewhere among {Yos2, Shanba, HackerHuck}.
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Post Post #768 (ISO) » Fri Dec 10, 2010 5:20 pm

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You also seem to have weighted all the wagons equally, ie regardless of length there is the same number of scum on each. Again can I hear why?
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Post Post #769 (ISO) » Fri Dec 10, 2010 5:21 pm

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MOD: Is there a reason that Mert is listed as both alive and dead in the playerlist?
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Post Post #770 (ISO) » Fri Dec 10, 2010 5:24 pm

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length = number of voters*
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Post Post #771 (ISO) » Fri Dec 10, 2010 7:43 pm

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Glork wrote:That's not a very bold statement, HH. There will almost certainly be at least one scum out of {one third of the living playerlist}.
My pressing question: Why did you omit MBL from that list?


Mulling over where I want to put my vote right now, but it will probably wind up somewhere among {Yos2, Shanba, HackerHuck}.
Umm, I wasn't really trying to make a statement, but I'm kind of lazy right now, so I wanted to look at the smallest list of players that I would find scum in. I expect at least two scum on the wagon, but that's a lot more people to look at right now. I exempted MBL, because I think there is at least one scum in the list of players that were voting for alternate wagons. If you want to bet that there aren't any scum in that list of five, I'd actually take you up on that.
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Post Post #772 (ISO) » Fri Dec 10, 2010 8:03 pm

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DGB: Is more points more scum?

Vote: InHim
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Post Post #773 (ISO) » Fri Dec 10, 2010 11:26 pm

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DGB wrote:Why would anyone bother off'ing Fritzler???
Obv vig kill is obv. Is this you fishing?

And do you realize you gave scumpoints to the dead doctor? :lol:

VOTE: Yosarian2

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Other 2W/2L
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Post Post #774 (ISO) » Sat Dec 11, 2010 1:08 am

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MOD: Is there a reason that Mert is listed as both alive and dead in the playerlist?
I don't know what you're talking about >.>
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