Mini 1088: Cookie Thief Mafia (Game Over)

[Kublai Khan]

Ugh. lewarcher82's rational about why we can't have a 3rd party 2-shot unkillable player can probably also be applied to scum. Unless we have a vig to speed things along, it would take 4 correct lynches to dispatch even a 2-person scum team. That's a rather large feat to expect from town.

This is frustrating. His play (mainly the unprovoked claim and vague deflective answers) is scummy as hell, but if his claim is accurate, then now I'm thinking that it's illogical for him to be scummy. (God I hate contradicting myself)

So the correct play is to test the accuracy of the claim. If he does survive, then he's more likely town then scum which gives us an extra quasi-confirmed townie.

@neighbors: Does your investigative ability help you learn flavor name (i.e. "Odd Olivia") or role name (i.e. "Vanilla Townie")? I would like PoisonIvy to answer first in case her answer differs from the other two.

Mod: Does anyone need to be prodded?

other than drmyshottyizsik, who said he would be busy, no one else is in prod range. (some are close)
I'll send a prod to drmyshottyizsik. -mod

[Llamarble]

It's a good point that 3 lives is too many for an SK, but 2 would be reasonable and claiming 3 might cause everyone to give up on lynching him after one try.
Maybe we should just leave Andrew alone for now and lynch him if it becomes mylo.
Since he's either lying or wouldn't die, he would be an ideal lynch in that situation.
That makes the quandary he's put us in useful while not giving scumandrew a free ride to victory.

UNVOTE; VOTE DAROX

Darox is the scummiest player in the game.
His only meaningful action so far is a vote on Andrew.
The rest of his posts are all active lurking,
and rather than become indignant against accusations against him he has persistently done nothing and waited for them to go away
or tried to laugh them off.
We are getting near deadline, and I believe we should lynch Darox.
I'll vote PI in a deadline situation if necessary (we have 4 days left, and no lynching is just bad).

[FakeGod]

VoteCount 1.15

drmyshottyizsik (1): andrew94
Darox (1): Llamarble
PoisonIvy (3): Furcolow, Elleran, lewarcher82
Furcolow (1): PoisonIvy,
gzapsa (1): drmyshottyizsik
andrew94 (3): RobCapone, Darox, Kublai Khan,

Not voting: Zed, gzapsa

With 12 people alive, town needs 7 votes to lynch someone.

Deadline is 12/13 (next Monday!).

[lewarcher82]

vigs can misvig. vig + sk + scum in a mini is a risky setup... dun think so, and sure we cannot wait for day 2 to see how many of us are alive.

Hey, Andrew, I tell you a crazy idea I had. Does anything change when you resist a lynch? Does your name remains the same in the 3 lives? Do you gain any powers? Do you change alignment (u not gonna answer this, r u LoL)?

[Darox]

It's a good point that 3 lives is too many for an SK, but 2 would be reasonable and claiming 3 might cause everyone to give up on lynching him after one try.
Maybe we should just leave Andrew alone for now and lynch him if it becomes mylo.
Since he's either lying or wouldn't die, he would be an ideal lynch in that situation.
That makes the quandary he's put us in useful while not giving scumandrew a free ride to victory.

UNVOTE; VOTE DAROX

Darox is the scummiest player in the game.
His only meaningful action so far is a vote on Andrew.
The rest of his posts are all active lurking,
and rather than become indignant against accusations against him he has persistently done nothing and waited for them to go away
or tried to laugh them off.
We are getting near deadline, and I believe we should lynch Darox.
I'll vote PI in a deadline situation if necessary (we have 4 days left, and no lynching is just bad).

Using what amounts to a no-lynch in mlylo is a terrible idea and you should feel deep, burning shame for ever thinking otherwise.

[RobCapone]

why is no lynch in a mylo situation a bad idea? I only ask because I have NL in mylo situations before

[Darox]

why is no lynch in a mylo situation a bad idea? I only ask because I have NL in mylo situations before

Unless you've got a fistful of confirmed power roles, it just puts you even closer to "Definitely LYLO" or "Oops, turns out that was LYLO, game over guys"

[Zed]

Checking in to say I'm reading catching up on the thread. I'll post tonight when I can get my thoughts together.

[Llamarble]

No lynching in mylo is usually right because P(Hitting scum) is higher in lylo and by def. of mylo you must hit scum in order to not lose.
Consider 6 players alive with 2 scum remaining.
Lynching gives a 1/3 chance of hitting scum, with 1 scum and 4 town players alive after.
An NK takes that down to scum vs 3 town, which is mylo again with 1/4 chance of hitting scum.
We must hit scum both lynches to win, so that's a 1/12 shot to win.
Now suppose you NL with 6.
Scum NK somebody down to 5 players.
Then it's lylo with 2/5 chance to hit scum. 1 scum, 3 town alive after.
NK takes it down to 1 scum vs 2 town, which is lylo again with 1/3 chance of hitting.
That's a 2/15 shot to win, which is better than the 1/12 shot by lynching in mylo.

So lynching in mylo is bad unless PRs remaining give reason to believe otherwise,
but usually giving town PRs another night to operate is also favorable.

Darox is still avoiding presenting actual content and instead wasting time by making theory-statements that are both irrelevant and false.

[andrew94]

vigs can misvig. vig + sk + scum in a mini is a risky setup... dun think so, and sure we cannot wait for day 2 to see how many of us are alive.

Hey, Andrew, I tell you a crazy idea I had. Does anything change when you resist a lynch? Does your name remains the same in the 3 lives? Do you gain any powers? Do you change alignment (u not gonna answer this, r u LoL)?

my name remains the same. i do not gain other powers. i do not change alignment

[andrew94]

@llamarble- the problem is you dont know when it is mylo in this game

[Kublai Khan]

Checking in to say I'm reading catching up on the thread. I'll post tonight when I can get my thoughts together.

Good job. Deadline is Monday. By posting today you can totally stall until the lynch is decided on.

The mylo discussion is a waste of time for a Day 1 discussion. Anyone who is against lynching andrew94 today needs to speak up and explicitly say why not.

[andrew94]

^what information can be gained from a deadline lynch of me

[RobCapone]

Find out if you are lying?

[andrew94]

what would town gain if i didnt die

[Kublai Khan]

Re-assurance that despite your actions, you're more likely to be town than scum/SK

[andrew94]

i meant from the wagon, who is scum etc

[Kublai Khan]

i meant from the wagon, who is scum etc

obviously the third person on the wagon is scum..

Why would this be discussed prior to the lynch?

[Zed]

Good job. Deadline is Monday. By posting today you can totally stall until the lynch is decided on.

Congrats, I find you annoying. I also said I was posting later on. I was on the bus going to school. How am I supposed to have three or more windows open, quote things, and give proper responses to things on a phone?

Are you serious, Zed? Re-read 302 & 322.

So I couldn't find it at that moment. Get over it.

Zed trying to dismiss the colours case outright for false reasons would make a good third.

I have not dismiessed any theory, especially not the colors one.

Zed seems to be unable to understand anything I have written. Still Zed is no noob. If Poison were to ever flip scum, scumpoints for Zed. Quite a lot of them.

I thought I was quite clear that I was afraid I was misremembering something, and was doublechecking what she said. I'm not an idiot, I can comprehend what you're writing.

Vote: PoisionIvy

[Kublai Khan]

Congrats, I find you annoying. I also said I was posting later on. I was on the bus going to school. How am I supposed to have three or more windows open, quote things, and give proper responses to things on a phone?

Yeah, that's my style. I don't tolerate slackers. Over half of your 8 posts mention that you'll read the game later. It's the very definition of active lurking.

Why are you voting PoisonIvy and not andrew94 (or someone else)? What's your reason? And do you believe andrew94's claim?

Who are your top 2 scum suspects at this moment?

[Kublai Khan]

@Mod: prod gzapsa please. Also, you've still got Stigmata on your votecount list.

Oops, thanks for the reminder! -mod

@andrew94: You've been voting for drshottyizsik since the RVS. What has he done to remain your top suspect over anyone else?

Also @andrew94: What happened in game that made you decide to disclose your "no alignment" investigation result? Why did you ask for the neighbor's role names before doing so?

[andrew94]

i thought the names were the same as mine.

i also asked the mod about flavour stuff but he didnt tell me = =
i vote shotty in ALL my games that hes in


@zed, your lucky to have a phone that can go on the intenet.

[drmyshottyizsik]

andrew does it's true

[Kublai Khan]

@andrew94: You thought everyone's flavour name was going to be "Odd Olivia"?

@drmyshottyizsik: Welcome back! Thoughts? Suspicions?

[drmyshottyizsik]

this was a prod dodge, i got an email about this game, sorry i will be totally cought up and thoughful on monday or tuesday, right now i would just like to say that you guys need to look more into Zed.