drmyshottyizsik wrote:lew, I most likely won't be on in the next two days
so that means you should do it now so we can know if you are bluffing or not
I agree with this. It doesn't look like the pressure on you is going to go down, Shotty. Suiciding now and saving time is probably the best course of action.
If you're not scum you should suicide right away, because that's the optimal outcome of that situation, rather than stalling and wasting the towns time.
If you were scum, however, stalling and trying to see if the bandwagon will dissolve would be the best course of action for hurting the town.
I think that if you were a decent town player and you didn't want to suicide, then you should be bombing us with a case on someone you find scummy, shotty.
If you are town, I cannot believe that you do not understand that, in the present situation, the sooner you suicide, the better for town. Therefore, I have to assume that you lied and you cannot suicide at all.
If your claim is fake, you can naturally retract it at any time, as long as you are alive. Otherwise, you should try to understand the situation and act accordingly.
Used to play a lot, haven't played for like 8 years, would like to play again.
No, bombing us with a case would just end up stalling and wasting more town time.
In this situation where we can get a free lynch, it's optimal for the town to take it. Even if shotty is town, it's best for the majority if he suicides.
Darox wrote:No, bombing us with a case would just end up stalling and wasting more town time.
In this situation where we can get a free lynch, it's optimal for the town to take it. Even if shotty is town, it's best for the majority if he suicides.
Addendum: The only time shotty NOT suiciding would be pro town is if someone had a cop investigation on him TODAY clearing him.
drmyshottyizsik wrote:Or I can wait it out until tonight to give the town the max amount of time to realize I'm not scum.
how can we realize anything when you have done nothing to help town scum hunt all game, you have been essentially worthless all game.
I don't care what your fucking meta is, the point of this game is to scum hunt and you aren't doing it. if you want town to realize you are town than you should have been trying to help us catch scum instead of laying low and not taking this game serious.
@shotty: your pm must be really obscure... 40 minutes have passed since your last post...
@rob: if he suis and flip town, I will probably ask the GCs to reveal their names. Since their alignment is supposedly town and their role is already out, I don't see any reason for them not to name-claim.
Used to play a lot, haven't played for like 8 years, would like to play again.
Shotty: How long does it take to look up a role PM???
I'm thinking you really are scum, which would make Darox or Furcolow town.
And we lynch you and let Elleran reveal my or someone's name.
I'm hoping this is the case.
We'll see soon though.
And if you are town, please put a concise list of your reads and why before selfeating;
The ideas of confirmed town players are always helpful.
If we never lynched claimed PRs, then it's impossible to get scum to die the day they are found,
so town will lose much more often with this approach than with lynching randomly.
A strategy that is worse than random lynching is BAD.
Therefore we should lynch claimed PRs who are scummy.
Elleran is a claimed PR who is scummy.
Therefore we should lynch Elleran.
Clear?
Lewarcher, how is the conflict of Elleran's statements with a confirmed townread on Darox unclear?
DJ expressed suspicion of Andrew, Darox, and Shotty.
Elleran's response:
"I personally disagree with Andrew for sure. Like I said, I believe his claim."
This statement clearly suggests Andrew is a stronger townread for him than Darox.
This is therefore a lie if Elleran indeed copped Darox and got an innocent.
Later, he says:
"However, I would like to say that I am indeed very dissatisfied about his recent actions. His fake-daykill has put me in a meh mood."
Again, expressing doubts about Darox's innocence is lying if Elleran had an innocent copread on him.
Elleran's excuse for these statements is that he was trying to avoid excessive attention on him and Darox.
How is expressing doubts about a players' innocence supposed to keep attention off of them??
If an innocent copread of mine sounded scummy,
I might deflect attention without lying (perhaps by scumhunting or legitimate defense) or simply let attention come.
If one of us got to L-1 (or that seemed to be coming), then just claiming would be fine.
Especially since the cop ability looks like the strongest, in which case you being outed today wouldn't be such a big deal.
Lying about your reads to avoid attention is scummy.
I believe in lynching all liars because it prevents players from backtracking when caught in a contradiction, as here.
Furcolow continues to be ridiculous.
He claims if that if he is asked whether he is scum at the beginning of the game,
he will dodge the question as scum and answer truthfully as town.
Therefore asking Furcolow his alignment at the beginning of a game is sufficient to determine his alignment.
So Furcolow is willing to claim scum in any game where he is scum.
RIDICULOUS.
There is no way that is honest.
And commanding people to ignore Bayes rule is like saying
"I think all even numbers are prime but llama is using math to dispute that. Don't listen!"
Oh, Shotty could easily be an SK too.
I had been thinking there wouldn't be one because of the onekill last night,
but Shotty got roleblocked or something like it by the GCs which would explain that completely.
Llamarble wrote:Lewarcher, how is the conflict of Elleran's statements with a confirmed townread on Darox unclear?
DJ expressed suspicion of Andrew, Darox, and Shotty.
Elleran's response:
"I personally disagree with Andrew for sure. Like I said, I believe his claim."
This statement clearly suggests Andrew is a stronger townread for him than Darox.
This is therefore a lie if Elleran indeed copped Darox and got an innocent.
Later, he says:
"However, I would like to say that I am indeed very dissatisfied about his recent actions. His fake-daykill has put me in a meh mood."
Again, expressing doubts about Darox's innocence is lying if Elleran had an innocent copread on him.
Elleran's excuse for these statements is that he was trying to avoid excessive attention on him and Darox.
How is expressing doubts about a players' innocence supposed to keep attention off of them??
If an innocent copread of mine sounded scummy,
I might deflect attention without lying (perhaps by scumhunting or legitimate defense) or simply let attention come.
If one of us got to L-1 (or that seemed to be coming), then just claiming would be fine.
Especially since the cop ability looks like the strongest, in which case you being outed today wouldn't be such a big deal.
Lying about your reads to avoid attention is scummy.
I believe in lynching all liars because it prevents players from backtracking when caught in a contradiction, as here.
You misinterpreted me. My excuse to those statements was not "to avoid excessive attention". That excuse was why I didn't want to speak out when Andrew and Darox were addressed. My reason for the 'meh mood' was because despite my cop-findings on his town alignment, he was still acting unproductively and scummily. I felt like a lawyer trying to defend a client who was telling everyone that he is guilty. My read is a read and his actions are HIS actions. Llamarble, do not associate how he acts with the alignment I claimed that he is. He is town, but he is not acting as such. That's not my problem.
You say you'd claim to protect a mislynch against someone who you knew was town? I wouldn't. I still have yet to use my other 2 abilities. Claiming and just getting killed earlier would be detrimental to town. Allowing a (I think) VT to live by sacrificing the cop (or JOAT in this case) is a bad idea. Not claiming but trying to protect the person is a strategy. If you consider such strategy scummy, then that's too bad. I think it's a legit pro-town move.
It doesn't look like the pressure on you is going to go down, Shotty. Suiciding now and saving time is probably the best course of action.
