Mini 1088: Cookie Thief Mafia (Game Over)

[Furcolow]

i would also be willing to send in on llamarble

[Darox]

I think lynching Andrew is a bad idea.

Why do you think I would go through with that.

[FakeGod]

Vote Count 2.22

Elleran (3): Llamarble, andrew94, don_johnson
andrew94 (4): Zed, Elleran, RobCapone, Furcolow
Zed (1): Darox

Not Voting: lewarcher82

With 9 players, it takes 5 votes to lynch someone.

The deadline is Jan. 7th, 2011!

[Furcolow]

hesitation implies scumminess

unvote; vote darox

for his inability to hammer

[Darox]

Outright refusing =/= Hesitation.

[Furcolow]

town = reckless
scum = refusing/hesitant

[Furcolow]

your vote being on zed, and your refusal to hammer andrew implies you are indecisive on whether or not to bus
furthermore, you defending elleran while not hammering andrew means what?
you find them both to be town?

[Furcolow]

hmmm
if darox is scum elleran is scum, or darox is a godfather type role
GC being town if elleran is town is unlikely
therefore rob is scum if elleran is town, but you all have to be convinced of that

if elleran is scum, it actually doesn't mean darox isn't town
scum can be like "player a is my clear" or whatever
i didn't see where he claimed this, but i have seen it referenced
i am pretty sure scum wouldn't stick their neck out there like elleran did
therefore, i believe elleran is town

elleran honestly should have held back his reports for a few days/on a flip
he also should have claimed townie so we would have about 5 townie claims(facetiousness?)
i do not believe his JOAT claim, after reading his forced flavor

unvote

willing to shift to elleran to ensure a lynch, but I want Rob to relent on letting me use the GC power tonight, as I am the one who is way more clear than he is as I risked my fucking neck to tell the town about us at all

[Darox]

Yes.
Well done.

I find both of them to be less lynchworthy than Zed.

Which is why I am voting Zed and not either of them.

[RobCapone]

also, i'm sending in investigation with me investigating rob
if he does not comply with this, and us finding out his name, i will treat it as a scum claim
i am not going to consult with him or anyone
this is what i am sending

I provided my name thank you, why don't you post yours

[RobCapone]

I gave him his turn to use our power, it is my turn
he flip flopped on reporting, and he pushed a ML on shotty

lie

I never flipped flopped anything, the game opened as I was going to bed, once I had time I posted my result, stop your lies.

[RobCapone]

willing to shift to elleran to ensure a lynch, but I want Rob to relent on letting me use the GC power tonight, as I am the one who is way more clear than he is as I risked my fucking neck to tell the town about us at all

you are not anymore clear than me and if you didn't risk your neck, you threw your neighbor under the bus for an attempt at town cred and it failed when she flipped town.

[lewarcher82]

@furco, I ask it again and more clearly: is Elleran the player whose lynch would make you unable to vote?

@Rob&furco: can the GCs protect someone from NK?

@Darox: you evidently don't like my reasons for fosing Zed but you yourself did not provide any reason for voting her. Can you elaborate a little more? You just said:

Vote: Zed

Scum.

which is no big help. If you have any reasons other than the ones I gave, it would be helpful - perhaps decisive - to share them. If not, I will keep fosing Zed, but I will accept the wagon against Elleran, and you should blame yourself for refusing to cooperate with scumhunting.

[Darox]

I didn't like your comments on Zed BECAUSE I had said nothing other than "scum" and you immediately chirped up with "Oh yeah I totally agree with Darox and can see where he's coming from."

[RobCapone]

@lewarcher

I beleive we only prevent people from leaving, it never said anything about protecting them too so I'd say not we can't.

[lewarcher82]

I didn't like your comments on Zed BECAUSE I had said nothing other than "scum" and you immediately chirped up with "Oh yeah I totally agree with Darox and can see where he's coming from."

I said I was going to explain later and I did, Darox. Instead, you give no reasons at all for voting her. If you are town (and I am convinced you are), this is a terrible way to play.

Let's try the direct question: why are you voting Zed?

@Rob&everyone: so if we lynch Elleran and Elleran is a town JOAT, Darox will be clear and he will prolly die tonight. This doesn't bother you? Tomorrow we would prolly be on lylo with no clears.

[andrew94]

the reward > risk

[RobCapone]

the reward > risk

Spoken like true scum

[lewarcher82]

sooo, no one answers, no one posts, guess scum is happy with the present situation.

@Darox: I am still waiting for an answer

I didn't like your comments on Zed BECAUSE I had said nothing other than "scum" and you immediately chirped up with "Oh yeah I totally agree with Darox and can see where he's coming from."

I said I was going to explain later and I did, Darox. Instead, you give no reasons at all for voting her. If you are town (and I am convinced you are), this is a terrible way to play.

Let's try the direct question: why are you voting Zed?

[RobCapone]

I posted, I ignored your question because I am not voting to lynch elleran I am voting to lynch Andrew. I hate lurkers and the fact we are so close to deadline and still no Zed, I could easily vote her but for now I am content with my vote on andrew.

The comment by Andrew saying the reward of lynching elleran is greater than the risk is another big fucking clue he is either scum for the worst town player in all of mafia and should consider quitting.

The GC can try and find out her name and see if she is telling the truth.

and Furc, why are you not telling people your name, lewarcher wanted both of us to tell our names and I told mine, where you at homie?

[RobCapone]

ok so reading back I am going out on a limb and saying if Elleran is actually scum the scum team is Elleran, Darox, and Zed

here is why

Zed has basically cast no suspicion Darox's way all game, even early on she said he felt he was town
Darox has been now trying to get Zed lynched, could be bussing if they are scum together
Elleran for confirming Darox as town

Zed could be scum because of the same things and she would of course know Darox was town and has been defending him.

interesting notes

1. her RVS was on Darox
2. Starts saying the Darox wagon was ridiculous

like I said I am sticking with my vote on Andrew but I could definitly see Zed as scum based on this information and her overall lurking which is anti-town behavior

[Elleran]

@Rob&everyone: so if we lynch Elleran and Elleran is a town JOAT, Darox will be clear and he will prolly die tonight. This doesn't bother you? Tomorrow we would prolly be on lylo with no clears.

I am very bothered. If I am lynched, the town will go for Llamarble's head. Once that happens and if Llamarble really is town (which I highly doubt), the game will end in scums' victory. Obviously, my view doesn't hold much meaning in this since I am the one being attacked, but I believe I have more information about my own role and I am presenting my views as facts.

@lewarcher: If a Zed lynch is preferred by you, I will consent. My survival is critical to town. (even if I will most likely be NK'ed anyway)

[Elleran]

town = reckless
scum = refusing/hesitant

This is LIKELY, but not always and does not work conversely.

town = reckless but reckless != town.
scum = refusing/hesitant but refusing hesitant != scum.

This is the "A ----> B but not B --//--> A" logic.

[Elleran]

EBWOP: I just realized that the way it's posted it is confusing. The point was the "This is the "A ----> B but not B --//--> A" logic."

[andrew94]

i think rob is the scum in the Gc.

this is why
1) the gc is for checking names of ppl. furclow said that if someone with a name dies, he becomes voteless. does rob have such a thing( did i miss it?) so it makes sense that furclow needs the names of people = town
2) quotes everything i say and puts it as scum light. it is as if your determined to turn everything i say into scum viewpoint
3) u think zed elleran and darox is scum but ur voting for me