Mini 1088: Cookie Thief Mafia (Game Over)

[RobCapone]

I did not say that all 3 are scum, I just IF elleran is scum than I could see those 2 being scum but nice to try and spin my words to say that I said all 3 were scum cause that is not what I said.

[andrew94]

then why dont you vote elleran.

[Darox]

Being the first person on a wagon and pushing it from a standstill is bussing now?
Please try to get some perspective.

I'll make up some reasons for voting Zed when I can be bothered, probably after lunch.

[RobCapone]

because she is a claimed PR and her claim is believable but I have my doubts.

why not lynch someone who has no power and who isn't helping town catch scum

[RobCapone]

Being the first person on a wagon and pushing it from a standstill is bussing now?
Please try to get some perspective.

I'll make up some reasons for voting Zed when I can be bothered, probably after lunch.

bussing comes in many forms and I am going off the assumption that elleran is scum.

if elleran is town, than you are not bussing zed

problem is I don't know which person is scum yet

[andrew94]

because she is a claimed PR and her claim is believable but I have my doubts.

why not lynch someone who has no power and who isn't helping town catch scum

i have power fool

[RobCapone]

her power can help catch scum

you don't seem interested in doing that and your "power" can't do that

see the difference?

[Zed]

Sorry. I was being better about posting everyday, but my brother's wife had a baby, and I've been at the hospital visiting in my spare time.

I'll address people's reasoning for being suspicious of me, since there are no reasons in the thread for voting for me, when the next day opens. If I'm not alive then you'll know my status anyway, so it won't make a difference.

If you disagree with an andrew lynch, I have to ask, do you agree with a NL? Because andrew is the largest wagon with less than 24 hours until the day closes, and I would prefer a lynch to a no lynch. I can see thinking that losing one is better then losing two, but I don't believe andrew, so I'd like to lynch him.

If you don't want him lynched, then convicne me. It's been said that it is a bad idea, but no one has tried to convince anyone otherwise. So I'll check in tomorrow before the deadline, and if someone convinces me, I'll unvote. But if not, I'm sticking with andrew.

[Elleran]

because she is a claimed PR and her claim is believable but I have my doubts.

why not lynch someone who has no power and who isn't helping town catch scum

I am a GUY, Rob. A GUY

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i think rob is the scum in the Gc.

this is why
1) the gc is for checking names of ppl. furclow said that if someone with a name dies, he becomes voteless. does rob have such a thing( did i miss it?) so it makes sense that furclow needs the names of people = town
2) quotes everything i say and puts it as scum light. it is as if your determined to turn everything i say into scum viewpoint
3) u think zed elleran and darox is scum but ur voting for me

Your number 2 is basically my argument vs. Llamarble.

Your 1) makes sense. In fact, it makes so much sense that I am willing to unvote and vote Rob.
UNVOTE: Andrew
VOTE: RobCaponeVOTE:

@Rob: How come Furc has a weakness but you seem to lack it? Can you explain this?

[Darox]

Let's try the direct question: why are you voting Zed?

Oh hey turns out I still wasn't bothered, even after lunch.
I'm voting Zed because I think she is scum. Amazing, isn't it?
Her posts rub me the wrong way, and I've already commented on some of them beforehand. (See: Her throwing out the colours case because the role colours were revealed after the fact, me calling her out on that being bullshit, her denying she ever threw it out)

She's my top pick for scum, and I think lynching either of Elleran or Andrew today is a tactical blunder for the town.

So, in conclusion:
I'm voting for Zed because I don't like the letter Z and the voices in my head told me to kill her.

[Elleran]

EBWOP: Ooops, my vote didn't work.
VOTE: RobCapone

[Llamarble]

Saying Rob is scum because he lacks a voting handicap DOES NOT MAKE SENSE. POISON DIDN'T HAVE ONE. ELLERAN IS USING ANY EXCUSE HE CAN FIND TO VOTE PEOPLE OTHER THAN ZED, WHOM HE FINDS TOWN FOR ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE REASONING. He thinks she's town since she "sticks by her opinions" when she has gone back and forth on him, the poison colors case, and almost everything else she's said the entire game... THIS IS NOT A TRUTHFUL READING OF A PLAYER / EVALUATION OF SCUMMINESS.

Honestly I think scum are a lot more likely to lose a vote since that kind of handicap could really screw town whereas scum aren't relying on their votes to win, but at the moment I'm not nearly as convinced of the scumminess of either GC as I am of other players (Furcolow appears to be crazy/illogical/VI, but that isn't the same as being scum). He is refusing to give information which has been asked of him without explaining why though, which I do not approve of, and his post saying TownElleran should have claimed VT made me quiver with OMFGTHISDOESNOTMAKESENSE.


Looking at things from an "is this more likely if you are scum" viewpoint is how cases are made.
Trying to use that as a counterargument is ridiculous.
It's not like I took every statement of Elleran's and said "this indicates scum."'
I found examples and patterns that were scummy and pointed out why I found them so.

Darox pushing Zed could easily be bussing because his wagon on her does not appear to have chances of actually lynching so there's not much cost to Daroxscum (though Zed would be my second choice lynch after Elleran).
I do approve of Darox pushing Zed lynch because of scumminess though, UNLIKE ELLERAN/ZED/OTHERS WHO ARE PUSHING LYNCHES FOR "STRATEGY REASONS" THAT ARE ENTIRELY WRONG.

[Llamarble]

If it is necessary, I will vote Andrew to prevent a no-lynch.

[andrew94]

^ you backstabber

[Llamarble]

Well that sounds like a 'blaze of wifom' intended to make me look scummy if I switch to Andrew and he flips scum.

I still (obviously) prefer Elleranlynch by a large margin though.

[andrew94]

you made a huge case on elleran whilst saying why andrew lynch is bad.
then u said you would lynch me...

[Llamarble]

I think your lynch is a bad idea compared to other lynches, but it's better than no-lynching.

[lewarcher82]

@Elleran: I also think Rob may be scum. However, trying to start a brand new wagon on last day is a terribad idea. We have to pick among Elleran, Andrew and Zed. Of the 3, I would definitely say Zed. I have provided reasons. Moreover, Llamarble says that Elleran is avoiding voting Zed. Fair enough, then we can agree that if Llama's case on Elleran is correct, Zed is prolly scum, as well. Therefore, I see no reason for Llamarble to refuse a Zed lynch.

@Zed: I will now explain the reason why I retract my original suggestion of lynching andrew. If andrew is telling the truth, we will naturally be on pseudo-mylo tomorrow (I use pseudo in order to indicate that the 3-scum-hypothesis is a hypothesis, not a fact). My biggest concern against a a lynch was that, if there are 3 scum and a 3rdP abel to joint with scum, a ML would mean game over. However, in that case pseudo-mylo would mean game over, too, because scum+3rdP can simply block votes by casting 50% NL-votes. If on the contrary there are only 3 antitown players, using an ML is the optimal way to act. Combining these considerations, I say that we have no reasons to go for an andrew lynch.

I therefore

vote: Zed

and invite Llamarble to explain why - after posting his #1136 - he does not agree with a Zed lynch, which should be consistent with his analysis.

[FakeGod]

Vote Count 2.23

Elleran (3): Llamarble, andrew94, don_johnson
andrew94 (2): Zed, RobCapone
Zed (2): Darox, lewarcher82
RobCapone (1): Elleran

Not Voting: Furcolow

With 9 players, it takes 5 votes to lynch someone.

The deadline is Jan. 7th, 2011, at noon (pacific time)!

[RobCapone]

because she is a claimed PR and her claim is believable but I have my doubts.

why not lynch someone who has no power and who isn't helping town catch scum

I am a GUY, Rob. A GUY

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i think rob is the scum in the Gc.

this is why
1) the gc is for checking names of ppl. furclow said that if someone with a name dies, he becomes voteless. does rob have such a thing( did i miss it?) so it makes sense that furclow needs the names of people = town
2) quotes everything i say and puts it as scum light. it is as if your determined to turn everything i say into scum viewpoint
3) u think zed elleran and darox is scum but ur voting for me

Your number 2 is basically my argument vs. Llamarble.

Your 1) makes sense. In fact, it makes so much sense that I am willing to unvote and vote Rob.
UNVOTE: Andrew
VOTE: RobCaponeVOTE:

@Rob: How come Furc has a weakness but you seem to lack it? Can you explain this?

1. apologies, I keep forgetting you are a guy
2. how do you know furc is even telling the truth?
3. Assuming he is telling the truth, How do you know I do or don't have any such condition also?
4. Also like already mentioned, Poision ivy didn't have a power so you can't assume everyone in GC has one

I don't like the way you are now tunneling on me and now how you are trying to distance yourself from the Andrew and Zed wagons to start a fresh one a day away from deadline

FOS: Elleran

I'm off to work, be back on later tonight but definitly thinking about possibly changing my vote to elleran, this wagon avoidance is bugging me right now.

[andrew94]

poisonivy didnt mention that she did/didnt have such a confidtion

[Zed]

Dear Darox,

I've already said that you completely misunderstood what I was saing about the colors case. I said we cannot use it again, not that it wouldn't work. Before that I misunderstood what someone said about it and said something like "that won't work." Then it was explained to me and I admitted I was wrong, because I was very wrong.

Dear Elleran,

Why do you think it's okay to start a new wagon 12 until the deadline?

Dear Everyone,

I am roleclaiming now because I'm about to go to school. My role name is Tall Terry. My role is that it takes one less vote to kill me. So right now, I'm at L-2.

And I'm voting andrew because I don't believe his claim.

[Darox]

Oh hey another good reason to lynch Zed, to prevent her from reaching LYLO and instantly losing us the game.
As for

Darox pushing Zed could easily be bussing because his wagon on her does not appear to have chances of actually lynching so there's not much cost to Daroxscum (though Zed would be my second choice lynch after Elleran).

It'd have a better chance if you hopped on board. How about it?

[andrew94]

i could hammer zed if i want to.

if zed tells truth, its gg 2morrow.
if zed tell lie, we got scum

[lewarcher82]

Oh hey another good reason to lynch Zed, to prevent her from reaching LYLO and instantly losing us the game.
As for

Darox pushing Zed could easily be bussing because his wagon on her does not appear to have chances of actually lynching so there's not much cost to Daroxscum (though Zed would be my second choice lynch after Elleran).

It'd have a better chance if you hopped on board. How about it?

^ this

EBWOP: why would it be GG tomorrow, andrew?ⁿ