Mini 1088: Cookie Thief Mafia (Game Over)

[lewarcher82]

I wrote EBWOP, I meant Preview-EDIT

LoL, this is meta-EBWOP

[Zed]

Please just kill andrew. He doesn't even mention if he believes me or not.

[andrew94]

becos if we believe zed = we dont lynch her = she 1 less vote = scum quickhammer

[lewarcher82]

Zed: if we don't lynch you, we try to lynch andrew and he is telling the truth, we will have MYLO tomorrow. We will likely NL, and the following day, on lylo, 3 scum players will vote you and we have AUTOMATICALLY lost.

These are the claims so far, in order of (role) claim. Correct me if I am wrong.

furco: town GC & conditioned weak voter - ?
Rob: town GC - Cute Clara
Andrew: multi-life Vanilla - Odd Olivia
Elleran: town JOAT - Extraordinary Ely
Darox: ? - Brave Bob
Zed: hated Vanilla - Tall Terry

Don_Johnson: ? - ?
Llamarble ? - ?
lew: ? - ?

[RobCapone]

quick meeting break

That is a good point lewarcher, we can get Andrew tomorrow

unvote, vote zed

[FakeGod]

Vote Count 2.24

Elleran (3): Llamarble, andrew94, don_johnson
andrew94 (1): Zed
Zed (3): Darox, lewarcher82, RobCapone
RobCapone (1): Elleran

Not Voting: Furcolow

With 9 players, it takes 5 votes to lynch someone.

The deadline is Jan. 7th, 2011, at noon (pacific time)!

[lewarcher82]

Lynch Zed already: she needs to die if she is scum, and I just demonstrated that she needs to die even if she is a hated townie. This should close the discussion.

[Zed]

Lynch me then, what are you waiting for?

I want a town win, and I know being alive is dangerous for the town. I'm not denying that, I claimed because you should know who you're lynching.

[Llamarble]

UNVOTE; VOTE ZED

As I said, Zed is my second choice lynch, so I prefer that to Andrew.
I was just saying I'd vote Andrew if he was the alternative to a no-lynch.
Zed's claim doesn't strike me as incredibly unbelievable, but being easy to lynch could be a scumthing to balance out possible weakvoting Furcolow anyway.
Also it implies leaving her alive and failing to lynch scum loses us the game regardless.

[lewarcher82]

so, is it a lynch or did she lie?

Elleran, tomorrow you better have the real name of one of the 3 people who did not nameclaim yet.

[Llamarble]

Somebody should toss on an extra vote to make sure we don't get bamboozled into a no-lynch, though that seems like a silly thing for a scum to try unless she didn't estimate the deadline right.

[lewarcher82]

Llama is right. A fifth vote won't hurt. However, also for shotty it took a lot of time before the mod reacted.

[FakeGod]

Lynch has occurred!

Lynch scene coming up.

[FakeGod]

Scouts talk for awhile, then decided that Zed must be the cookie thief.

After all, Zed was the tallest of the scouts. She would have no trouble reaching the cookies from the Basket Tree.

The scouts walked up to the Scout Leader Delicious Delly, and informed her of their decision.

"I'm sorry, Zed, but majority rules. It's the rule #1 of the Cookie Scouts."

The cookie basket was lowered from the Basket Tree, and Zed's cookie was quickly disposed of by the Scout Leader.

Going through her things in the cabin revealed her to be

Tall Terry

, a Cookie Scout.

After waving Zed a teary goodbye, campers all went to their cabins to sleep for tomorrow.

Whose cookie will the cookie thieves target next?


Zed, who was

Tall Terry

, a

Cookie Scout

, lost her cookie and was forced to leave the camp day 2.


No more talking! It is now night 2. It will last three days from this post.

If you have night actions, send them to me via PM.

[FakeGod]

Another night ends, and campers waken and gather around the Basket Tree.

Perhaps tonight, no one's cookie was eaten?

Guess again, because lewarcher82's cookie was gone!

After a frantic search, remaining crumbs of lewarcher82's cookie were found behind a bush. Yet another cookie eaten!

With a teary goodbye, lewarcher82 returned to HQ, and campers gathered around to figure out who among them did it.

lewarcher82

, who was

Angry Angela

, a

Cookie Scout

, lost his cookie and was forced to leave the camp night 2.

It is now day 3!

[FakeGod]

Vote Count 3.0

Players remaining:

Furcolow
andrew94
Elleran
don_johnson
Llamarble
Darox

No one is voting yet.

With 7 players, it takes 4 votes to lynch someone.

Deadline will be 2 weeks from today.

[RobCapone]

Well just want to relate I am Pretty sure furc is scum now

He didn't want to take my suggestions
He said he wanted to investigate me but I told him I already claimed my name and wasn't wasting an investigation to check and verify I'm telling the truth especially since furc wouldn't claim his name
He accused me of wanting to force a stalemate and he was going to investigate whoever he wanted
I said fine but tell me who cause we had to submit the same name
He never posts again so I don't know who to submit

Fuck you scum

vote: furc

[lewarcher82]

bah

go town!!!

[Llamarble]

Well, considering we do lose automatically if Furc's vote-thing triggers and he's town, and it seems like a vote handicap for scum to balance out hated townie Zed would make sense, I'm inclined to agree. However, I have bigger fish (

CONFIRMED SCUM

) to fry.

LYLO. Massclaimtime.

VOTE: ELLERAN

I am Scooby Sue, an alignment cop. At night, I walk my dog, Faithful Fido, who can smell good and evil, to another player's cabin and find out their alignment. It wasn't specified to me how GCs are investigation immune, but I'm guessing they smell like perfume or something that overpowers my dog's nose. Maybe "Odd Olivia" just doesn't shower or something and that's why I can't check her, or she could be lying, or it's something else I haven't thought of.

My strategy is to investigate players who will be useful if town but are hard to read.
N1 I investigated Kublai Khan, which wasn't particularly useful because he died.
N2 I copped Don Johnson and received a "Cookie Scout" result.

That leaves:
LLama-town
DJ-town
Rob/Furc - at most one scum, presumably
Andrew-possible scum
Darox-can only be scum if Elleran is scum
And Elleran.

If Elleran is not scum then Darox is not, so the scumteam would have to be Andrew and the 2 GCs, all of whom claim investigation immunity. I very very strongly doubt both GCs are scum (both from a setup perspective and from a "they've been at each other's throats" perspective), which essentially confirms Elleran as scum.

So the scumteam is:
Elleran, one or both of Darox and Andrew (if only one of them then a GC).

The reason beyond simple scumminess that I pushed Elleran so hard yesterday was that I found a cop/GCs/InvestigativeJOAT to be too much town power, so I found his claim hard to believe. He fooled us into mislynching Zed by painting her as scummy with logic-free buddying.

[RobCapone]

Wait I'm confused

Is she confirmed scum or not?

[RobCapone]

He, he, I meant he

[Llamarble]

Either Elleran is scum or the scumteam is Andrew, Rob, and Furc, which I really don't believe. I don't have an outright cop result on Elleran because I didn't want to waste one on somebody I was already pretty sure about and I thought scum might NK him if he was town to keep him from confirming me as town.

[RobCapone]

Shit, what was the bolded confirmed scum?

I'm voting furc

[Llamarble]

I bolded confirmed scum because I, like pretty much everyone else, have been assuming there aren't two scum GCs, in which case Elleran must be scum.

[Llamarble]

Breadcrumbs / proof of claim:
On day 1, I said:

Well, at least any cop now knows who not to waste investigations on, which helps.

It smells extremely strongly of coasting scum.

Here I breadcrumbed by pointing things out that were of particular importance to me due to my role, and by pointing out that scumminess is a smell.

I initially found Andrew's claim strange because I couldn't figure the flavor of his investigation immunity,
but he hasn't played too much like an Elleranbuddy so I am currently leaning town on him.

On day 2, I said

I find it reasonable that if there are both a name cop and an alignment cop then there will be players who mislead each,
but presumably they are somewhat useful for finding scum or there would be no reason to include them.
Therefore Shotty's name being Hungry Harold makes him likeliest to be scum and gets my vote.
Or maybe there's a PR that can only operate if it knows its target's name?
Also for all we know there may not be an alignment cop at all, in which case the name cop should be pretty reliable.

Again, I refer to my role, though I state that the town doesn't know for sure there's a cop to keep it from being too obvious I'm the cop. I do this in the next post of my ISO as well, where I say it's possible HH was a fakeclaim PM given to balance multiple cop type roles.

Why would a 1shot cop exist in a land with so many abilities modifying cop results (3 GCs and possibly Olivia)?
A regular cop makes more sense to me.
So from a setup perspective I don't believe the role you have claimed exists.

Here I again indicate my knowledge that we have a standard cop and explain that part of my disbelief of Elleran comes from my impression of what the setup is.

The big difference being that I don't imply somebody else is a bigger townread than my town investigation,

In here and several other places I make statements about how I play as cop.

I was strongly against a massclaim yesterday because as I said then I don't think there's a doctor so it would basically get me killed with no confirmed anything to show for it.