Oldy Mafia (Game Over, who won?)

[ChannelDelibird]

Both have made big, well-argued scum cases on a couple of people (inHim and Yos, IIRC) which made me more willing to vote said people and they're liable to do it again at some stage, so I think it's pretty important that I examine how much I can afford to trust them.

You were the one who tried to persuade me to vote inHim. Repeatedly. Didn't you feel strongly that he was scum all game long?

I felt he was scummy during my initial readthrough upon replacing in and preferred it to the other Day 1 options, hence me asking you to get on the wagon then. On Day 2 he was more just somewhere to put my vote until I could get caught up, seeing as that vote was getting pretty old by that time. I'm not saying that you're the reason why I was on the inHim lynch, just that

IIRC

one of you/Glork made a big post somewhere that suggested inHim was scum that I agreed with. I'll nail my facts down when I reread you guys (today is the plan).

[Patrick]

Votecount

HackerHuck (3) -- Ether, Lord Gurgi, ChannelDelibird
Porochaz (3) -- Shanba, CrashTextDummie, Ythill
ChannelDelibird (1) -- chamber
Shanba (3) -- Glork, Cogito Ergo Sum, HackerHuck

Not voting: MrBuddyLee, Porochaz
12 alive, 7 to lynch

[Ether]

Hmm. The Ether Schedule does get sort of old if you're constantly septupleposting. So how's

your

reread going, CDB?

[Lord Gurgi]

Hi guys, seems slow. I need to get back to my work though.

[Ythill]

I'm lurking.

Will get to more analysis when I have a chunk of time for it.

[HackerHuck]

So a number of things managed to derail me over the weekend, but I did get a chance to look through Ether's posts as well as reread some of Shanba's.

Ether has five pages of not much to mention. A lot of chatty posts, with just a few that bring in a lot of content. The most I got were a few lists of people she thought were scum, but reading it all makes her vote on me seem even more bizarre. I didn't see anything in my Ether read to change my mind on what I saw in Stark, but I'm also not seeing much scumminess short of her content to fluff ratio. Part of the problem in reading people in iso is stuff like this.

Oh, which reminds me. Stark/ether is town and ETHER NEEDS TO POST MORE. Seriously, she was drawing epic reactions from people.

Shanba - I don't recall seeing any epic reactions in real-time. Are there a couple of things that you could point to? Since Shanba's not as active as you Ether, maybe you could point out some useful tidbits you've gleaned from reactions to your posting.

I've been getting a feeling that Ether in this game is like Chamber - no cases. That reminded me that I really have no read on Chamber right now even after all of Yos' harping on him over the last two days. For those who play often with Chamber, how do you get reads on him?

CDB - I just want to correct that I was only mentioning Glork's premonitions as an aside. They really had no bearing on why I felt he was not scummy.

[Ether]

On the contrary, I think I'm going to be sick of Chamber very soon; I don't see the parallels at all. My vote, ungilded, should speak for itself. (Off the top of my head, only one person has explicitly asked me for a case, and that's just because Porochaz isn't paying attention.)

Make a List, Huck.

[Ether]

And if you're seriously trying to read me, at all? I did give pretty clear instructions, heh.

[HackerHuck]

I've read through your posts a few times already and even now you're making very little sense to me. If you're town, it shouldn't be this hard.

[Ether]

Really.

[Ythill]

I finished most of my Glork iso last night before the internet crapped out on me. Not only did it confirm my suspicions, but it also suggested two buddies: MBL and CES.

If all goes as planned, I will be finishing it and starting on others tonight.

[Ether]

I hate you all.

[Ythill]

Go back and read Glork's MBL hate throughout D1. Then note that he dropped it

almost

completely on D2. Not completely enough to be a cop with an innocent, mind you. Then he starts basing things on the theory that either Yos or inHim dodged the lynch.

And remember where I said that we should expect the scum to gain Yos-hate at the begining of D2? Yeah, that.

UNVOTE: Prozac
VOTE: Glork

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Shanba is obvious Glrokpartner, Ythill, please.

[MrBuddyLee]

Ythill, what's your take on Glork's D1/D2 play if you assume correctly that I am town?

[Ythill]

The change in stance is still

very

unnatural. And he'd be way off meta, which is entirely possible I suppose.

When rereading, one of the questions on my mind was, "If Glork is scum, why hasn't he fed us a buddy yet?" The answer ended up being, "Because we all thought MBL was obvtown and eventually Glork gave up."

But I'm not going to judge you too harshly unless your iso demands it. Single analysis conclusions =/= overall conclusions.

[Ythill]

P.S. That's just my take on his play as regards you. There was more than that to solidify my read on Glork.

[CrashTextDummie]

I have received a prod. I guess now would be as good a time as any to let you know that I have a boatload of exams this week, and very limited time for mafia. I will try to produce something in spite of it, but no promisses.

[Glork]

Go back and read Glork's MBL hate throughout D1. Then note that he dropped it

almost

completely on D2. Not completely enough to be a cop with an innocent, mind you. Then he starts basing things on the theory that either Yos or inHim dodged the lynch.

And remember where I said that we should expect the scum to gain Yos-hate at the begining of D2? Yeah, that.

...except that my "yoshate" lasted all of twenty-five minutes, and ZERO posts inbetween. Once again, your failure to look at any sort of context is on full display.

[Glork]

EBWOP: Sorry, it lasted all of

TWO

minutes, and zero posts inbetween. There's a reason that Yos was listed as a

placeholder

, and I immediately went to verify vote counts. When I realized that Yos made no sense as a suspect, I dropped it immediately and didn't pick it up again until much, much later in the day.

[Ythill]

A placeholder of what?

[Glork]

Of "one of those three might be scum, let me figure out which one is most likely." Obviously, my conclusion was inHim, and I came to that conclusion very, very quickly.

[Glork]

That said, knowing that I never suspected Yos beyond an incorrect inkling, which I corrected two minutes later, your "early D2 Yos suspicion" point falls completely flat.

[Ythill]

One of these three is scum for avoiding the lynch...

(1) The guy I thought was scum all day yesterday.
(2) The townie who was wagoned by all town yesterday.
(3) The townie who was the most popular secondary wagon yesterday.

Vote #2... oh nvmnd... vote #3.

Nothing you have said here makes that behavior any less suspect.

[Glork]

Okay, this is very clearly headed towards "claim or I will lynch/vig you."


I'm the Cop. I investigated MBL as innocent N1, and HH as innocent last night.