Oldy Mafia (Game Over, who won?)

[Glork]

By the way, for someone who called me slow/thick-headed for asking you to claim explicitly, you're sure doing a fantastic job of reciprocating my exact behavior.

[Patrick]

Votecount

HackerHuck (3) -- Ether, Lord Gurgi, ChannelDelibird
Porochaz (2) -- Shanba, CrashTextDummie
ChannelDelibird (1) -- chamber
Shanba (3) -- Glork, Cogito Ergo Sum, HackerHuck
Glork (1) -- Ythill

Not voting: MrBuddyLee, Porochaz
12 alive, 7 to lynch

[Ether]

Let's

not

start off the new page with a power role slapfight, thanks.

unvote

I don't

want

to vote Porochaz because he's V/LA and that feels kinda useless, but he's the person I'd give the single highest odds of being scum at this point. I'm annoyed that Crash is in the same position. Ugh.

Chamber, tell me why I should vote CDB instead of you.

[Ether]

Glork, no chance you have any clue how to read CES? 'Cause I sure as hell don't.

[Glork]

I would be interested in the possibility of a CES lynch today, as I expressed a few pages ago.

I'm actually going to be out of commission for most of the rest of the night. Quality time with girlfriend + NCAA Football National Title Game. I will try to pop in and answer specific questions, but I may not get to them until tomorrow afternoon.

[Ether]

Go for it. There's so many people here who are either V/LA or promising rereads that even I've tempered myself down.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Glork, no chance you have any clue how to read CES? 'Cause I sure as hell don't.

You do realise he'd never answer no to this question, right?

P.S. signs point to Glrok's cop claim being truthful, which reduces the chance of Shanba being scum, but with the innocent on HH, I think I'll just sheep Glrok for now.

[MrBuddyLee]

I'm the Cop. I investigated MBL as innocent N1, and HH as innocent last night.

Does your role PM guarantee your sanity?

[Glork]

It does not. This may sound dumb, but I never even considered the possibility that my results might not be sane. I have considered the existence of a Godfather, but generally find that to be pretty negligible when considering investigation results.

[HackerHuck]

Why the early claim Glork? I saw what you said, but we just started day and Ythill wasn't necessarily riding you that hard.

CES - why does Glork Cop = Shanba likely town?

[CrashTextDummie]

Hi, I am counterclaiming Glork. I am a [limited]-shot cop and have an innocent result on Shanba.

unvote, vote: Glork

[CrashTextDummie]

Actually, screw the [limited], that doesn't work so well in a counterclaim situation. My ability is one-shot, I used it on N1.

[Ether]

I believe Crash, but I'm still against a Glork lynch. One-shot vs. infinite isn't a full counterclaim, though it could imply sanity weirdness. I think Glork's town--but even if I were unsure, it'd still be strategic to keep him alive.

[Ether]

Town, assuming they're not fakeclaiming and not a godfather and Glork is a sane cop
Ythill
Crash
Shanba
Glork
MBL
HackerHuck

Town because duh:
Ether

That's seven people(!). If they're all town, then that puts exactly one townie in {chamber, ChannelDelibird, Cogito Ergo Sum, Lord Gurgi, Porochaz}.

Is that plausible? I'm not saying that rhetorically; I'm just wondering if we can write off one or two people of those people from their associations with each other and go in for the kill.

[Ether]

On the flipside:

MBL, why'd you ask Glork about his sanity when he had an innocent on you? Were you really worried about naivety? What were you thinking about HackerHuck?

[Ether]

Heeeeeeeeeeeey, Chamber.

[Ythill]

All of the following quotes were written by Glork, about MBL, after he supposedly investigated him as innocent. There were others where Glork was pressuring MBL, but didn't state or imply suspicion, so I left them out.

My pressing question: Why did you omit MBL from that list?

MBL was around and consciously chose not to contribute to a D1 lynch as well, so why does he get a free pass just because he removed his vote, rather than having it placed somewhere else?

You're either terrible at understanding context, or you're trying to lead me down a wrong path.

I still don't particualrly like how he went from "Ecto is scum" to "everyone who pushed Ecto is suspect" at the drop of a hat, but that remains the only thing that sticks out in my mind as something I-really-do-not-like.

MBL has conspicuously removed his vote from everybody as we approach deadline. It's like he's trying to be untraceable.

MBL, why the premature hammer? Both Ythill and inHim had promised posts in the very near future, so what caused you to decide that was a good time to end the day?

It's interesting that the cop crumbs and whatnot seemed to start D2 and Glork definately went into N2 knowing that he was going to claim to have investigated HH.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Why the early claim Glork? I saw what you said, but we just started day and Ythill wasn't necessarily riding you that hard.

CES - why does Glork Cop = Shanba likely town?

Not likely town - it just became likelier. I got the feeling that Glrok was bussing Shanba based on behaviour and Glrok's other suspects flipping town which according to sample calculations gave Shanba a 2/3rds chance of being scum if Glrok was.

Unvote, vote: Glrok

[ChannelDelibird]

Instinct says Glork is scum here. Will have reread on Glork done within 12 hours deciding whether or not I agree with said instinct.

[Ythill]

Glork + MBL + CES + Ether?

That would be epic. Then again, I've already killed twice as many town as the scum have, so...

[Lord Gurgi]

So standard operating procedure is lynch Glork?

[MrBuddyLee]

On first read, Glork's play makes sense from a cop perspective, except for his overly strident post to Ether about Shanba, which seems to telegraph a result he doesn't have. CTD's play seems consistent with his claim--his worldview D2 was shaped by his conviction that Shanba was town. Need to get more in-depth on these boys' play.

Let's spend some time finding scum today rather than deciding right away which cop we should trust. We need reads on everyone, and not just reads based on which guy they think is the cop.

Ythill, what do you say you, Huck and I work together? Even if Glork is scum, it's a stretch to believe he would attempt to clear two scumpartners with a fakeclaim. I'm not scum, and I had a slight town-to-neutral read on Huck. I think you're probably town, so perhaps we can start talking this through. I assume we'll all (you, me, Huck) be here for another day and a half, as there are now cops for scum to shoot at.

[Ether]

It's interesting that the cop crumbs and whatnot seemed to start D2 and Glork definately went into N2 knowing that he was going to claim to have investigated HH.

Because he's a cop.

Unless someone wants to claim watcher here, a one-shot cop is not a replacement to a full-blown one, balance-wise, and that should be incredibly obvious to everyone here.

Having said that, I'm kind of coming around to him not being sane: one-shot cop + insane cop just sort of has a nice sort of parity to it. (And I'm totally biased: I'm all for HackerHuck being scum.) An MBL lynch is a compromise I am willing to make.

[Lord Gurgi]

Wait you guys think both cops are around?

Why is there a connection between being a cop and confidence? Sure it's causal one way, but not the other. I'd be less confident about my Ether read if I had a cop result on her.

[Ether]

I don't know what you just said. Elaborate?