Careful, MeMe, you don't want to overwhelm us with information.Celly, I agree with your assessment of blackhawk's last post.
unvote: Carmine
vote: blackhawk
This is a pretty stupid set of reasons to vote for someone. I doubted that added role flavor existed, and for good reason. I didn't get it, and most townies probably didn't get it as well. From the sounds of it, we all got different role PMs. As for the second part of that sentence, I didn't get the feeling that that was what he was saying at all. Purposeful misreading? Methinks so! Tack onto that some unsubstantiated "he's generally suspicious" and some utter nonsense about the only way we'll discover if someone is scum if we hang them, and voila! You have bad reasons for lynching. Here's a fun little hint: we have the discussion phase during the day because cops or no cops, discussion is the best chance we have to get mafia is to get talking, not lynching people for vague reasons.
it sounds like he's doubting the added role flavor even exists while attempting to say that he has it anyway. He has always acted a little suspicious and I think that without any cops, the only way to make sure is to let him hang. Confirme Vote: Blackhawk
So i have to question: if blackhawk claims after bloojay and is scum, why wouldn't he just claim the same thing as bloojay? If anything, such a claim would make it seem like he was a townie. Especially when he goes out of his way later page two to mention he has different PM text than bloojay. Scum copy what other townies say, they tend not to put themselves out on a limb like that. Now, my thoughts are that one of two things happened:MeMe wrote:The only way anyone could know that townie roles have extra stuff tacked on is to have actually received such a role; bloojay would have to be an extraordinary guesser if he were scum.
bloojay, what's the deal with being unable to read? For god's sake, this is why i think a lynch on blackhawk is a bad idea. Read the goddamned thread. He mentions he thinks his role could be an aspiring vig. It's other people who turned this into some sort of magical role claim that he changes later by saying he's a townie.bloojay wrote:
Blachawk-what is up with that claim change? if you were an aspring vig, .
celly wrote:I can't conceive how u can even argue that Meme is more suspicious than Blackhawk. The only relevant thing that your post tells us is that if Blackhawk turns out to be scum, we've found another one as well.
In response, here's a fun little vignette called 'The Inner Mind of Scum Isaac"
Cast: Isaac's inner voice 1
Isaac's inner voice 2
Isaac1: Say here, dear chap, look at this: our fellow mafia member is one vote from a lynch.
Isaac2: Well then, dear heart, let's cast the final vote. He's a lost cause, and this way we can allay any suspicions of our own scumminess.
Isaac1: Aye, thatseemslike a good idea.
Isaac2: Seems?
Isaac1: How about, instead of that, which will make people think that we aren't scum... we instead specifically go out of our way to defend him before his near-inevitable lynching, so that everyone will be suspicious of us tomorrow.
Isaac2: But if everyone's suspicious of us tomorrow, how does that help us and the mafia?
Isaac1: It doesn't
Isaac2: Well, let's do it, then.
Isaac1: Woo!
And so, my brilliant plan to make myself obvious to the town right before they lynched one of my comrades was forged. Woo!
OK, this post just seems off to me. From my point of view it looks like you are implying that you really think bloojay is suspicious and you even ask why everyone has removed their votes from him. Then later in the post you unvote him. Why? If you were a true townie wouldn't you want to keep your vote on him since you think he's suspicious? Wouldn't you try to convince everybody of what made him mafia-esque? Then, you FoS everyone with votes with reasons already pointed out as if to say "I'm cool guys, look I'm FoSing everyone with votes so no one thinks I, myself am suspicious."Kerplunk wrote:Why is everyone not voting for bloojay anymore? It seemed somewhat suspicious to me casting that third 'random' vote.
Then there's No Idea, who tried to divert the attention from bloojay to MeMe by posting crap logic. I don't think we should look at who got killed tonight. Maybe they are newbies not knowing that MeMe is an experienced player. Maybe MeMe is self the mafia. Maybe the mafia decided not to kill MeMe, which wqould make her look bad. There are so many possibilities.
The case Carmine, it does seem scummy not to vote for someone because you think you will lynched for that (or something). If all townies would playing like that then every day would end in a no lynch. But I don't think Carmine is scum. A hunch or something.
unvote: bloojayhe doesn't seem to be suspicious anymore..?
FoS: No Idea. Diverting attention is scummy to me. And I would want to vote for blackhawk, because he was abit suspicious in the beginning and his talk the role-PM's. I don't know, kind of a hunch. Since he has already 4 votes I won't want to give the 5th, so that mafia will lynch him easily.
FoS: blackhawk.
I'm going to read the thread more carefull, because there's definitely something scummy going on, I feel. Lot of suspects.
Man, here I was quoting someone i'm responding to. What a scummy move on my part. Way to see right through my guise, MeMe. Bravo!MeMe wrote: Celly made sense, why repeat it?
I've re-read your two rambling posts and basically all I get from it is "I don't like Meme" and "She posts a lot". You add nothing constructive to the conversation and don't even attempt to make points on who is more suspicious.Isaac wrote:Yes, yes, let's go to that vote:
1)You got some other flavor text in yr townie PM role, and for some reason, it never occured to your 1438 post making mind that the mod could have mixed up the PMs a bit, and you jump on blackhawk.
2)You're scum who figures that bloojay was being truthful, and so you jump on blackhawk, who seems like an easy lynch.
First post of the day...I noted that he seemed overly excited. No big deal by itself...but enough for me to make him my first vote of the day.blackhawk wrote:well, the fingerprint obviously gives it all away the mafia is to be determined after we check the victims wife, car, and ex- friend that was seen talking to Barney, a known mafia contract killer, so now that i have messed with your minds soo much i'llrandom vote: The Mystery Celly, Welcome to mafiascum, Celly!
Second post -- still really squirrelly. Again, not a big deal, but weird nonetheless. I unvote him in favor of going after the bloojay, who stuck a third vote on bh -- which I thought was excessive for page one. Blackhawk's response?blackhawk wrote:Random.org? you are one very very pathetic mafia player, back in my day it was the first person to poke him with a stick got to vote and he had to use his brain to vote for him he couldnt just say "well, Random.org says i vote for you" partly cuz we didnt have compies back then
anyways, nice to meet you too Mystery Celly
and who thought that was confusing ? cuz i can make up stuff that'll make your brain explode its soo confusing
Wacky votes him and comments on bh's spamtastic ways...blackhawk wrote:woohoo! i'm down to two votes yay!
And that's all on page one. Page two he calms down...only has two posts. This is the second one:blackhawk wrote:spamming stopped, you just had to ask man, you just had to ask
In this post he seems to say that this is a black & white game so it's weird that bloojay would have a reason for not liking mafia in his role. And then he seems to imply (after the quoted portion) that he has flavor, but it's different than bloojay's. Just like Celly notes in the very next post (with which I then agreed), it looks like he's fishing for clarification on the townie wording. He posts this...blackhawk wrote:Doesnt black and white refer to basic? as in black and white tv? so would there really be an explanation as to why bloojay doesnt like mafia, if its basic?just wondering cuz bloojay's is different than minebloojay's roleclaim wrote:well, I'll go ahead and claim.
I am a simple townie who h8s<edit> the mafia for exterminating<edit> some close relatives.*
*i had to replace some of that stuff because it wouldn't show them otherwise
Which looks like a backtrack...until he theorizes that it sounds like he's an aspiring vig. It's right there, Isaac -- I didn't misread a thing. Bandwagon forms.blackhawk wrote:no what iblatantlyinferred was that mine didnt have the extra stuff, mine just says
You are a townie who is out to extinguish the mafia.
it sounds like i'm an aspiring vig
Well, sure -- now that everyone's after him for saying "it sounds like" he's an "aspiring vig," what choice does he have except to say that's not what he meant? Then he double-posts with this...blackhawk wrote:i didnt actually mean vig, i meant that it sounds like my role PM was based on a vig, not that i could actually become one!?!?!?!?i need to clear these things up before they happen
The last bit of which looks like pure scum...most townies are righteously indignant when accused, but his words are "a little bit scummmier (in my opinion)" -- which, to me, looks like he's conceding that he has a film of guilt.blackhawk wrote:What about bloojay? i dont think anyones noticed that he's only posted two or three times all of which were to confirm or vote for someone
Let me re read to make sure of this
and yes i would call that diverting attention to another player who looks a little bit scummier than me(in my opinion)
Can you say "he doth protest too much" -- not to mention "too largely"?blackhawk wrote:I never meant it to be read as "Oh , i'm a vig i can shoot mafia!!!
I meant, "it sounds like i'm the kind of guy whomightbecome a vig if that was my role" but guesswhat? ITS NOT!!!!!
i'm just a townie okay!!! thats all, i know i confused you with the "it sounds like i'm an aspiring vig"
but that was just my opinion, gahd this same thing happened in another game and i'm pretty sure at least two of you were in it
Ha Ha! Well, it might not have been necessary, but I did it anyway...The Mystery Celly wrote:I don't feel it necessary to spell out for you out-of-context quotes of his, I trust that if you have the mental ability to compose your own play instead of refuting my point like a normal person, you also have the ability to read back a couple pages in the thread.
Ah, purposefully misreading someone else's posts. Great move. Anyway, if you'd actually read my posts, you'd know my problem is that MeMe is acting stupid. MeMe isn't stupid, though, and if she can keep on misreading posts and fail to draw obvious conclusions, it raises some obvious questions in my mind. The fact that it would never occur to her, with something like a billion games under her belt, that the mod sent out conflicting townie PMs, especially when hers is different from the one that was claimed, i find very difficult to believe. Which means that either MeMe is stupid, or acting stupid. This is why i keep on bringing up her experience. She's experienced enough that she shouldm't make stupid mistakes like that unless she does it on purpose.The Mystery Celly wrote: And really I don't see what you have against Meme for playing for a long time.
What tipped you off, the part where he says "bloojay's is different than mine"? You read that as him referring to flavor, i read it as him referring to his role claim. I don't think there's anything scummy about saying out loud that his pm was different from bloojay's, in fact, if anything, it's not scummy at all.MeMe wrote:And then he seems to imply (after the quoted portion) that he has flavor, but it's different than bloojay's.
exactly. hehe theorizes that it sounds like he's an aspiring vig. It's right there, Isaac -- I didn't misread a thing. Bandwagon forms.
So denying that one is scum, especially in the face of such crap logic, is scummy? I guess next time I'm unfairly bandwagoned, I'll just keep quiet. I mean, why try to defend yourself? Mounting a defense is soooo scummy.Can you say "he doth protest too much" -- not to mention "too largely"?
Quit pounding the "it never occurred to her" point, Isaac because it's crap. I never said that, though I did say this...Isaac wrote:The fact that it would never occur to her, with something like a billion games under her belt, that the mod sent out conflicting townie PMs, especially when hers is different from the one that was claimed, i find very difficult to believe.
Which would have read "makes me sure you're scum" if I hadn't considered that some townie roles could lack flavor. I also said thisMeMe wrote:The fact that you claim to be a townieanddevoid of flavour only makes me question your goodness more.
Which means I was inclined to believe bloojay's claim first. That's not the same thing as not considering a possibility.MeMe wrote:Anyway...look at it from my point of view. I have a townie role "with flavour." I see two other townie claims: 1) with a little extra 2) with nothing extra. Which one should I believe? Duh.
I challenge you to find an actual flaw in my thinking, Isaac. My conclusions could possibly be incorrect, but I'll put my logic up against anyone's.Isaac wrote:She's experienced enough that she shouldm't make stupid mistakes like that unless she does it on purpose.
i had to change one letterI wrote:you know if i were inyourshoes
Give me a break. There's something VERY wrong with blackhawk theorizing he may be an aspiring vig when it was he who pointed out earlier that anything other than townie or mafia would be a suspect claim in a black and white game. You're right...he didn't actuallyIsaac wrote:exactly. hetheorizes: he doesn't claim. it seems like bloojay et al are trying to lynch him cause they think he claimed vig. But he never did. He mentione in an offhand manner that he thought his role could be an aspiring vig. there's nothing wrong with theorizing about his role, even if he's wrong. There's something VERY wrong about misreading him and then blaming him for a claim he never made.
Your choice to defend blackhawk's inane posts while accusing me of "acting stupid" and making mistakes is simply incredible.MeMe wrote:As blackhawk himself pointed out earlier when he was questioning bloojay's extra info...this is ablack & whitegame. To speculate that he might become a vigilante is ridiculous.