Oldy Mafia (Game Over, who won?)

[MrBuddyLee]

Actually, nevermind, that could just as easily mean they're lazy scum running up a townie. However, you'd think scum would be a little more cautious when running up a townie cop.

[Patrick]

Votecount

Porochaz (5) -- Shanba, Ether, Ythill, HackerHuck, chamber
Glork (5) -- CrashTextDummie, ChannelDelibird, Porochaz, Cogito Ergo Sum, Lord Gurgi
Cogito Ergo Sum (1) -- Glork

Not voting: MrBuddyLee
12 alive, 7 to lynch

Deadline hits on the 21st at 10 pm GMT.

[CrashTextDummie]

I have a huge problem with chamber's vote. Not once has he mentioned being suspicious of Porochaz today. He's mentioned several times how he could go for a Glork lynch. And now he votes Porochaz while still claiming to be more suspicious of Glork. It makes no sense to me at all.

Let me be perfectly clear about this:
I am not convinced that Porochaz is scum. I would rather lynch CDB out of the two. Glork is scum. He has been countered, he has slipped big time and he has been flailing ever since he has been countered (when he wasn't on V/LA, that is). The Porochaz wagon is therefore bullshit. Please act accordingly.

[ChannelDelibird]

Who do you think the four scum are and why? Do they fit together as scumpartners when you analyze their interactions and votes?

Glork, HH...then I'm not sure between Prozac, CES, chamber. It's probably two of those three who I still owe a reread on (yes, I'm still behind there. I'm sorry. I doubt I will be able to do that before deadline hits but I'll have reread all of them by daybreak Day 4, and if I haven't, lynch me). I'm pretty shit at vote-analysis but I'll try to include that in rereads.

As far as deadline goes, I don't see any reason why I would want to move my vote from Glork before then.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Why isn't Glrok dead yet?

[CrashTextDummie]

MBL, do you think Glork slipped, yes or no.

[Ether]

A note about the timing of Glork's claim: a real cop would be more afraid of Ythill there than scum would. Scum were already probably gonna kill him that night; assuming they had a roleblocker, it'd be simple to just block him as well and let the knowledge of his kill attempt die with him. This assumes a roleblocker, of course.

CDB, what do you think of the Glorkwagon?

[CrashTextDummie]

Actually, this goes to anyone not currently voting Glork:

Do you think a cop would have made this post. I will quote it because it's so delicious:

Could not disagree with No-Lynch more. If I'm the scum and we no-lynch, I kill Ythill, and we're in the same position, less one un-countered Vigilante.


Confirm Vote: CES

He does not want to get another investigation in. His reasoning is specifically geared towards him being scum, not town ("if I'm scum, you gain nothing by no-lynching"). This post completely betrays his cop claim in any way imaginable.

If you are currently not voting Glork, I want you to state in no uncertain terms why you don't think this is damning.

[CrashTextDummie]

And why do you assume a roleblocker, Ether?

[Ether]

I have a possibility, but it's kind of weak. I do think that post was a strike against him.

Adding a roleblocker is pretty standard.

[CrashTextDummie]

I think Glork is more likely scum than Prozac based on play alone. BUUUUT the people on the glork wagon make me :/

Unvote Vote prozac

for now.

What about the people on the Glork wagon keeps you from joining? They're exactly the same people as two days ago when you last stated a willingness to join.

Adding a roleblocker is pretty standard.

I'm gonna need to see statistics to back this up. While roleblocker may be one of the more common scum power roles, I seriously doubt any given game of mafia is more likely to have one than not.

[CrashTextDummie]

Also, Ether:

If you are currently not voting Glork, I want you to state

in no uncertain terms

why you don't think this is damning.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Given all the vt claims I wouldn't expect a roleblocker unless Glrok is town. (Note that Glrokscum would probably assume cop was a safe claim if you assume no RB + dead doc in Ecto.)

[Ythill]

@CTD:

You probably weren't asking me, but I do think that quote is damning. And it's far from the only thing. I am not voting Glork because I'd prefer to hammer if we're going to lynch him, and because I think we increase information potential by lynching elsewhere, but not by much.

I'm reasonably confident that the scum are Glork-HH-Prozac-chamber/CDB. Of course, I'm not exactly a beacon of accuracy in this game so...

[Ythill]

Also, I agree that bussing Glork is an optimal scum move here.

[MrBuddyLee]

MBL, do you think Glork slipped, yes or no.

Yeah, most likely. Just waiting for his suspicions post as I promised.

[MrBuddyLee]

vote: Glork

[HackerHuck]

This

For starters, I'm not saying that Shanba is scum.

is what bugged me. Why are you backing off? I know people think I'm scummy (though I'm not sure entirely why, beyond "OMG GLORK IS BUSSING HIM"/"HE'S LURKING"/"HE MADE SOME POSTS AND SAID HE WAS SLEEP DEPRIVED, OMG"), and I accept that you might want to try and convince him to consider me as a scum suspect - but in that case, why then back off? It's not like you're gonna get any useful reactions from the

uncounterclaimed vig

. It looks like more groundwork being laid to accuse me of being GF later on. Call me paranoid, but you're the third person to do something like that.

I'm backing off because CTD has a not-guilty result on you. I was trying to remind Ythill that even though CTD is an almost confirmed cop, that doesn't mean you are above suspicion. It also means that we cannot assume four scum out of the remaining pool even if everyone thinks that Glork is town. I'm also trying to remind Ythill of that fact, because his words tend to carry more weight as an

uncounterclaimed vig

.

[HackerHuck]

I will say that Glork's lack of effort today has whittled away most of my support for him.

[Ythill]

And most of the chance of your team winning after I pretty much handed it to you with bad vig kills. Sad.

I'm going to put some thoughts together before I drop the hammer. If anyone is around and has something to say, now would be the time.

[Ythill]

At this point, I usually like to dare the scum to keep me alive by giving them an argument to use against me in the morning but... there isn't one. I think this is goodbye. Sorry about the bad shots. I really need to learn how to read Yos better.

I feel good about this lynch. Glork started out in character but he got lazier as time went on and the cracks started to show in his game. I was already pretty suspicious of him but after the terrible claim, a CC, and then watching him fall apart under the spotlight, I'm pretty sure we've hit scum. Prozac was the safer play, but I don't think it really matters.

If Glork is town:

scum is very clearly chamber-CDB-Prozac-Ether.

If Glork is scum:

CTD, Shanba, Gurgi, and Ether are all town. They should vote together and the two town among the remaining six should sheep them.

I seriously doubt Glork-scum cleared two town. One of HH/MBL is scum, possibly both. HH looks worse behaviorally and via voting patterns.

Of the remaining four, CES looks bad on his own but things suggest that he is not scum with Glork. Prozac is next in line and is connected to both Glork and HH, which makes sense in the big picture. CDB is lurky and occasionally bad; chamber I've gone back and forth on. One of those two is the last scumbag. Good luck.

UNVOTE: Prozac
VOTE: Glork

Goodnight.

[Patrick]

Final Votecount

Porochaz (4) -- Shanba, Ether, HackerHuck, chamber
Glork (7) -- CrashTextDummie, ChannelDelibird, Porochaz, Cogito Ergo Sum, Lord Gurgi, MrBuddyLee, Ythill
Cogito Ergo Sum (1) -- Glork

Not voting: Nobody
12 alive, 7 to lynch

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Glork - Mafia Watcher - lynched day 3

Night 3 falls, with a 72 hour deadline. Sleep well!

[Patrick]

Day 4 arrives:

Ythill - 2 Shot Vigilante - killed night 3

With 10 players alive it takes 6 votes to lynch. The deadline hits on the 6th of February.

[Ether]

Based on the death (again), CES is town (again).

Let's also

vote: HackerHuck

again. Gurgi, will you be mentally prepared to help me lynch MBL tomorrow?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Please remove the second exclamation mark from the title, Patrick. It is undignified.

Vote: HackerHuck