Oldy Mafia (Game Over, who won?)

[Patrick]

Votecount

HackerHuck (2) -- Ether, Cogito Ergo Sum

Not voting: HackerHuck, Porochaz, ChannelDelibird, Lord Gurgi, CrashTextDummie, MrBuddyLee, Shanba, chamber
10 alive, 6 to lynch.

[ChannelDelibird]

Oh hey. So as some of you may have noticed I pissed my day away today assigning Pokemon to Mafiascum users rather than rereading chamber/CES/Prozac. This is now something I'm gonna have to do tomorrow.

Vote: HackerHuck

for now though.

[CrashTextDummie]

Hey Ether, be honest now. At what point did you get that sinking feeling when you realized that one of your key reads was wrong?

vote: CDB

[Ether]

January 15th.

CDB could be scum. Don't think it's the most likely option; I dunno. I spent most of the night thinking Huck/MBL/Porochaz, but HackerHuck's Chazvote kind of implies that it could be something else.

[Shanba]

I'd like a prozac or a hackerhuck lynch today. I'm not picky.

[MrBuddyLee]

I spent most of the night thinking Huck/MBL/Porochaz

*boggles*

[Ether]

Who's scum, MBL?

[HackerHuck]

Reactions to Glork Claim (prior to CTD claim):
Ether unvotes HH, no overt concerns about the claim.
CES supports claim (also Shanba's innocence) with this quote

P.S. signs point to Glrok's cop claim being truthful, which reduces the chance of Shanba being scum, but with the innocent on HH, I think I'll just sheep Glrok for now.

MBL asks about sanity - this post gives the appearance that MBL is worried about his own safety.
HH asks why the early claim.

CTD counters with his one-shot cop ability.
Ether believes both, but now mentions sanity. (I still don't like the thought process she has in 2063 - see my 2102)
Ythill makes a decent observation about the claim of MBL investigation.
CES comments about Glork possibly bussing Shanba. He votes Glork, but doesn't comment about the implication of the Shanba innocent result coupled his suspicion now that Glork is scum. I'd like to see this explored a little further by him.
Ythill makes scumteam prediction (Glork, MBL, CES, Ether - I only mention this as a reminder to myself to look at their interactions)
MBL wants to form a coalition of HH, MBL, Ythill
Ether starts to doubt sanity of Glrok (I don't see this as very telling of her alignment, because she's been tunneling on me)
MBL's 2086 defends the cop claim with some decent evidence (I looked back at Glork around this time and came to the same conclusion)
Porochaz's omission of any real Glork comments until his third post back and that is very soft on details. That doesn't look good to me.
I just noticed Shanba's thoughts about me being a potential godfather. Interesting to compare to his recent criticism of me thinking the same about him. While a using a GF to counter a one-shot cop seems unlikely, I think it will need to be revisited if we've got Shanba alive in endgame.
Chamber expresses some doubt, but not enough to vote for Glork. He also reminds us that Shanba could be a GF. I'm not sure what to make of this statement, so I'm going to consider it a null until we get some more flips.
Gurgi comes off as uninterested in the whole process. I find him to be one the scummiest actors in the whole situation due to his lack of input.


Post Glork's no-lynch 'slip'
CES, Shanba, Ythill were all quick to point it out. I don't like MBL's reaction. He acknowledges it with 'LOL', but is then vague on whether he thinks it is a slip or not. In he finally claims that Glork is probably a good lynch, with a rather oddly argued scumteam.
Gurgi finally chimes in with a vote on Glork - that looks the fishiest out of the reactions to the slip.

Early critics of Glork:
CES

Ythill

CTD

CDB
Porochaz

I would be really surprised to see everyone here flip town. CES' reactions seemed more genuine, based on the way he reversed himself after one of MBL's posts as well as his 'normal' researched revote (post 2172). I'm stuck on Porochaz as scum although I did see a post from him that seemed town-like. CDB is also worth more attention and CTD is about as confirmed as you can get. He claimed a limited role to counter and that was before Ythill mentioned that he was a two-shot.

Vote: Porochaz

BTW - I'm starting to get weird feelings about MBL's general reluctance to vote.

[MrBuddyLee]

Glork on Huck

That's not a very bold statement, HH. There will almost certainly be at least one scum out of {one third of the living playerlist}.
My pressing question: Why did you omit MBL from that list?

Mulling over where I want to put my vote right now, but it will probably wind up somewhere among {Yos2, Shanba, HackerHuck}.

(to HH) But why is not voting at all a better behavior than being on a different wagon. I wasn't here during the last several hours of the day, so I never had a chance to weigh in on the Mert situation. (FWIW, I wouldn't have switched to Mert, but that's kind of a moot point now.) MBL was around and consciously chose not to contribute to a D1 lynch as well, so why does he get a free pass just because he removed his vote, rather than having it placed somewhere else?

It's bullshit because there's no way you could get ZERO inklings from that wagon at all. If the scums wanted to wagon someone to lynch, then there had to be SOME turning point that made them jump to Mert. If they didn't, then you should be doing what HackerHuck is doing, and closely examining the people who were off-wagon when the lynch went down.

Town motivation: "If I claim vanilla and Yos doesn't answer me, I'll probably die and nothing about Yos will be revealed. If I claim Nurse to force Yos to answer me, then immediately rescind my claim, I'll probably die and something about Yos will be revealed."

Can you not agree with this logic, HH?

That would be weird. HH has been under my radar all game. Now that I think about it, I don't think I've gotten any strong reading on him one way or another, so I'll add him to the list of people I need to look at overnight.

to CES: "Your use of Burden of Proficiency is especially laughable, considering your own voting record. Get past the early-game silliness, and you've been on Ecto(town), FoS'd Ythill (town), inHm (town), Mert (town), back to Yos (town), Shanba (probably scum), CDB (probably scum), but then when it really mattered, back to Yos/inHim, Today you've flipflopped between HH (town) and Shanba.... with a little Glork (town) on the side."

And you're obviously headed down the wrong path today having decided that HH and I are among your top suspects.

PS, HackerHuck is not the play.

I'm the Cop. I investigated MBL as innocent N1, and HH as innocent last night.

MBL is correct here. That post was a critique of HackerHuck's failure to provide sound analysis, not an attempt to sluff suspicion onto MBL.

Huck on Glork

Bound to be at least one scum out of Stark, Lord Gurgi, Shanba, Chamber and Glork. That's where I'm going to start.

I exempted MBL, because I think there is at least one scum in the list of players that were voting for alternate wagons. If you want to bet that there aren't any scum in that list of five, I'd actually take you up on that.

[GLORK]
This is pretty frightening. I've snipped some choice bits out of post 206.

Hard to find much fault with Glork, except that I'm disagreeing with most of his reads up through his first 25 posts. I'm not a fan of the speculation about two separate scum groups. This early, it's either going to be a distraction, or it's a way to cast more suspicion on players and be able to ignore why they couldn't be scum together.
Comparison to Sly Cooper is a big stretch. In that game, he specifically said that he was playing differently and did make that known to the other players. I recall it being a very different Glork than I've seen in this game.

I found Gurgi and Chamber to be townish and Glork was more in the middle.

EBWOP: I suppose (since someone is likely to nitpick) that it's worth noting that MBL removed his vote earlier, but it is still not-on-anybody as we approach deadline.

What may be more important is that Ythill is calling Yos' lack of voting trail scummy while not being so concerned about MBL's.

YTHill - The comment about me confusing your role with DGB seemed a bit too obvious. I'm also with Glork on your VCA. I don't really understand how you're coming to some of those conclusions based on the vote counts you posted.

I'll look at the folks not on the InHim wagon:
Glork, CTD, Ether, and Shanba.

So, I see one scum in this group:
Stark, Lord Gurgi, Shanba, Chamber and Glork
and one scum in this group:
Glork, CTD, Ether, and Shanba

Given the overlap, odds are that we have one scum that avoided both lynches. I still like Ether and Shanba from yesterday, but I'll still take a look through that whole group.

CDB - I just want to correct that I was only mentioning Glork's premonitions as an aside. They really had no bearing on why I felt he was not scummy.

Why the early claim Glork? I saw what you said, but we just started day and Ythill wasn't necessarily riding you that hard.

In rereading Glork's ISO, I was bothered by his decision to investigate me since he had spent most of Day2 focusing on Shanba and Yos as scum.
If you look at the trail from 141-143 in his ISO, there is some evidence of crumbing followed by his statement that I'm not the play for today. I can also see how Glork was crumbing town results on MBL.

I guess my concern with his claim still centers around three things:
1- Why the switch from one of Yos/Shanba to me?
2- Why the lack of concern around sanity
3- The early claim based on very little pressure

I don't think that Glork is the obvious play for today. Although he has been slow to address the concerns around his claim, we're probably looking at three other people who are scum. I also don't see what the scum motivation for making that claim would be. He wasn't under any serious lynch threat and he didn't know that Ythill ran out of shots. So scum were in a pretty good position at that point. I don't really see him taking the risk of the claim when a mislynch and a bad vig would mostly put the game away for them. I would also expect a fake-claim to have a guilty in there to improve the chances of getting a mislynch. Besides, the cop issue should be sorted out on its own within the next couple of days. With the certainty of sanity (although GF could be an issue), we'll put ourselves in a pretty good place to as long as we avoid lynching the claimants and those claimed as investigation targets.

I've acknowledged that he's been 'counterclaimed'. I believe your claim over his, but I'm not certain that your one-shot ability means that he cannot be a full cop. I think Ythill even made a point later that implies that the inclusion of both roles actually weakens them both. I'm also going from the perspective that even if scum, Glork has correctly called two people as innocents. I know I am, and I've felt that MBL is as well.

We were still early in the day and nowhere near a lynch, yet he claimed before even trying to convince Ythill of his innocence.

He knows who the vig is and Ythill has not been shy about who he suspects. If I were scum Glork, I'd wait until we get closer to lynch before I make that kind of a fakeclaim.

That's also not any kind of guarantee, because there could be a GF in the mix that would prevent anyone from truly being confirmed by Glork's death as a townie. We're still essentially left with the same list of suspects to go after.

Even if I go back to my beginning of the day search for suspects - looking at those not on the Inhim lynch, I'm not seeing Glork as the best option. That set of players was Glork, Shanba, CTD, Ythill and Ether. If I cross off Ythill and CTD because their claims make sense, that leaves me with Glork, Shanba, and Ether. Based on play, I'd pick Shanba (as possible GF) or Ether over Glork. The other folks - CDB, Gurgi, Chamber, Porochaz, and CES are probably the place to start since there are no investigation results to cloud the mind. I'd like to hear some more from them as well.

I said that ignoring claims and results, I would not put Glork as the most suspicious in that group. I went down that route because my assumption set doesn't really make a lot of sense in evaluating that group in the context of one of them being scum.

Wait, you're voting for Porochaz. I can see why CES might see it as an alternative to a Glork mislynch, but why aren't you looking at if from the Lynch Porochaz or No-lynch perspective? I'd prefer a Porochaz lynch, but I'd also prefer a no-lynch over lynching Glork right now.

I'm also not sure how Ythill came up with me as a partner with Porochaz and Glork.

Looking at the people who have indicated that Glork made a scum-slip, he's well within lynch range right now.

I will say that Glork's lack of effort today has whittled away most of my support for him.

[Ether]

Glork on Huck

That's not a very bold statement, HH. There will almost certainly be at least one scum out of {one third of the living playerlist}.
My pressing question: Why did you omit MBL from that list?

Mulling over where I want to put my vote right now, but it will probably wind up somewhere among {Yos2, Shanba, HackerHuck}.

(to HH) But why is not voting at all a better behavior than being on a different wagon. I wasn't here during the last several hours of the day, so I never had a chance to weigh in on the Mert situation. (FWIW, I wouldn't have switched to Mert, but that's kind of a moot point now.) MBL was around and consciously chose not to contribute to a D1 lynch as well, so why does he get a free pass just because he removed his vote, rather than having it placed somewhere else?

It's bullshit because there's no way you could get ZERO inklings from that wagon at all. If the scums wanted to wagon someone to lynch, then there had to be SOME turning point that made them jump to Mert. If they didn't, then you should be doing what HackerHuck is doing, and closely examining the people who were off-wagon when the lynch went down.

Town motivation: "If I claim vanilla and Yos doesn't answer me, I'll probably die and nothing about Yos will be revealed. If I claim Nurse to force Yos to answer me, then immediately rescind my claim, I'll probably die and something about Yos will be revealed."

Can you not agree with this logic, HH?

That would be weird. HH has been under my radar all game. Now that I think about it, I don't think I've gotten any strong reading on him one way or another, so I'll add him to the list of people I need to look at overnight.

to CES: "Your use of Burden of Proficiency is especially laughable, considering your own voting record. Get past the early-game silliness, and you've been on Ecto(town), FoS'd Ythill (town), inHm (town), Mert (town), back to Yos (town), Shanba (probably scum), CDB (probably scum), but then when it really mattered, back to Yos/inHim, Today you've flipflopped between HH (town) and Shanba.... with a little Glork (town) on the side."

And you're obviously headed down the wrong path today having decided that HH and I are among your top suspects.

PS, HackerHuck is not the play.

I'm the Cop. I investigated MBL as innocent N1, and HH as innocent last night.

MBL is correct here. That post was a critique of HackerHuck's failure to provide sound analysis, not an attempt to sluff suspicion onto MBL.

Huck on Glork

Bound to be at least one scum out of Stark, Lord Gurgi, Shanba, Chamber and Glork. That's where I'm going to start.

I exempted MBL, because I think there is at least one scum in the list of players that were voting for alternate wagons. If you want to bet that there aren't any scum in that list of five, I'd actually take you up on that.

[GLORK]
This is pretty frightening. I've snipped some choice bits out of post 206.

Hard to find much fault with Glork, except that I'm disagreeing with most of his reads up through his first 25 posts. I'm not a fan of the speculation about two separate scum groups. This early, it's either going to be a distraction, or it's a way to cast more suspicion on players and be able to ignore why they couldn't be scum together.
Comparison to Sly Cooper is a big stretch. In that game, he specifically said that he was playing differently and did make that known to the other players. I recall it being a very different Glork than I've seen in this game.

I found Gurgi and Chamber to be townish and Glork was more in the middle.

EBWOP: I suppose (since someone is likely to nitpick) that it's worth noting that MBL removed his vote earlier, but it is still not-on-anybody as we approach deadline.

What may be more important is that Ythill is calling Yos' lack of voting trail scummy while not being so concerned about MBL's.

YTHill - The comment about me confusing your role with DGB seemed a bit too obvious. I'm also with Glork on your VCA. I don't really understand how you're coming to some of those conclusions based on the vote counts you posted.

I'll look at the folks not on the InHim wagon:
Glork, CTD, Ether, and Shanba.

So, I see one scum in this group:
Stark, Lord Gurgi, Shanba, Chamber and Glork
and one scum in this group:
Glork, CTD, Ether, and Shanba

Given the overlap, odds are that we have one scum that avoided both lynches. I still like Ether and Shanba from yesterday, but I'll still take a look through that whole group.

CDB - I just want to correct that I was only mentioning Glork's premonitions as an aside. They really had no bearing on why I felt he was not scummy.

Why the early claim Glork? I saw what you said, but we just started day and Ythill wasn't necessarily riding you that hard.

In rereading Glork's ISO, I was bothered by his decision to investigate me since he had spent most of Day2 focusing on Shanba and Yos as scum.
If you look at the trail from 141-143 in his ISO, there is some evidence of crumbing followed by his statement that I'm not the play for today. I can also see how Glork was crumbing town results on MBL.

I guess my concern with his claim still centers around three things:
1- Why the switch from one of Yos/Shanba to me?
2- Why the lack of concern around sanity
3- The early claim based on very little pressure

I don't think that Glork is the obvious play for today. Although he has been slow to address the concerns around his claim, we're probably looking at three other people who are scum. I also don't see what the scum motivation for making that claim would be. He wasn't under any serious lynch threat and he didn't know that Ythill ran out of shots. So scum were in a pretty good position at that point. I don't really see him taking the risk of the claim when a mislynch and a bad vig would mostly put the game away for them. I would also expect a fake-claim to have a guilty in there to improve the chances of getting a mislynch. Besides, the cop issue should be sorted out on its own within the next couple of days. With the certainty of sanity (although GF could be an issue), we'll put ourselves in a pretty good place to as long as we avoid lynching the claimants and those claimed as investigation targets.

I've acknowledged that he's been 'counterclaimed'. I believe your claim over his, but I'm not certain that your one-shot ability means that he cannot be a full cop. I think Ythill even made a point later that implies that the inclusion of both roles actually weakens them both. I'm also going from the perspective that even if scum, Glork has correctly called two people as innocents. I know I am, and I've felt that MBL is as well.

We were still early in the day and nowhere near a lynch, yet he claimed before even trying to convince Ythill of his innocence.

He knows who the vig is and Ythill has not been shy about who he suspects. If I were scum Glork, I'd wait until we get closer to lynch before I make that kind of a fakeclaim.

That's also not any kind of guarantee, because there could be a GF in the mix that would prevent anyone from truly being confirmed by Glork's death as a townie. We're still essentially left with the same list of suspects to go after.

Even if I go back to my beginning of the day search for suspects - looking at those not on the Inhim lynch, I'm not seeing Glork as the best option. That set of players was Glork, Shanba, CTD, Ythill and Ether. If I cross off Ythill and CTD because their claims make sense, that leaves me with Glork, Shanba, and Ether. Based on play, I'd pick Shanba (as possible GF) or Ether over Glork. The other folks - CDB, Gurgi, Chamber, Porochaz, and CES are probably the place to start since there are no investigation results to cloud the mind. I'd like to hear some more from them as well.

I said that ignoring claims and results, I would not put Glork as the most suspicious in that group. I went down that route because my assumption set doesn't really make a lot of sense in evaluating that group in the context of one of them being scum.

Wait, you're voting for Porochaz. I can see why CES might see it as an alternative to a Glork mislynch, but why aren't you looking at if from the Lynch Porochaz or No-lynch perspective? I'd prefer a Porochaz lynch, but I'd also prefer a no-lynch over lynching Glork right now.

I'm also not sure how Ythill came up with me as a partner with Porochaz and Glork.

Looking at the people who have indicated that Glork made a scum-slip, he's well within lynch range right now.

I will say that Glork's lack of effort today has whittled away most of my support for him.

Who's scum, MBL?

[MrBuddyLee]

You don't need to quote long strings of other people's posts if you're not going to comment on them--it clutters the thread. You also don't need to repeat yourself--it doesn't make you look any townier.

[Porochaz]

Who said she looked town?

[MrBuddyLee]

Based on the death (again), CES is town (again).

Ether, why is CES town based on the last two deaths?

[Ether]

unvote; vote: MrBuddyLee

For the first bit, not the question. (I think CES would have killed Crash instead of Ythill.)

[MrBuddyLee]

Glork manipulated and massaged inHim a lot. He knew inHim was an easy puppet, so he kept feeding him small compliments and keeping him in line. I think that reading Glork's posts carefully may give clues on who his scumpartners are and which people are townies he was trying to manipulate. Note this:

I don't see how Shanba slipped up there. He wants to know why I'm calling inHim protown. That said, I dint really feel like explaining myself right now.

The real reason: because there WAS no real reason--he was using inHim and needed to call him protown to keep inHim on his side. You'll see later in the game that Glork used inHim a few more times:

fyi, anybody who votes inHim is probably scum

I'm going to echo inHim and say what's the scum motivation? inHim retracted his Nurse-claim almost immediately, before anybody had really had a chance to evaluate it. The scum motivation behind a fake-claim would be to get votes off of him, which is clearly NOT what inHim was going for.

inHim's play the last couple of pages looks protown. His associations with

known scums

does not look protown. I'm actually quite conflicted right now.

(Remind me to get back to that known scums thing.)

Well, you finally called me Town throughout this Purgatory of mine, so it makes me feel a little better.

Note, Glork REALLY wanted to keep inHim around another day to use as a tool. Glork pushed for Yos's lynch instead. (And Shanba's, I believe.)

Not sure whether Glork considered using Huck as his next pet. Huck's posts indicate some willingness to trust Glork, and it's clear Glork invented the Huck investigation idea sometime overnight N2, which is the same time he lost his former puppet inHim.

Which makes more sense? Glork discusses strat with teammates overnight N2, decides he'll crumb an investigation on one of them? Or Glork and teammates discuss overnight that it would work out better if he crumbed an innocent on a townie who several people found somewhat suspicious? Depends on how forward-thinking he was. If he knew he'd be in trouble eventually, he'd want to distance from scumpartners. Making them his investigation target's not really effective distancing unless he's super WIFOM-crafty. If he got greedy and thought he'd be safe D3, he may have wanted to go for a quick win, he could hope his claim succeeded and then take a scumpartner out of the possible lynch pool. It was probably more of a setup for later days--he probably thought Yos/CDB/Porochaz/CES/Shanba were more likely early lynches. Why not fake a result on one of CDB/Poro that is almost certainly scum? Because he's letting them dangle and is probably not willing to go down in flames if they screw up. Would he trust Huck more not to get in trouble? Maybe.

inHimshallibe (7) -- ChannelDelibird, Lord Gurgi, Cogito Ergo Sum, chamber, HackerHuck, Yosarian2, Porochaz
inHim asked:

Is Yosarian the only scum on my wagon? 'Cause, that'd be weird.

That would be weird. HH has been under my radar all game. Now that I think about it, I don't think I've gotten any strong reading on him one way or another, so I'll add him to the list of people I need to look at overnight. CDB and Porochaz are still decent scum candidates, especially in the event that CTD is not scum.

I have no interest in killng Gurgi, CES, or Chamber. Oh, and MBL is still town, even though he's going to hammer you.

Why's he tune in to Huck so fast there? Why's he mention CDB/Poro as scum and not chamber or CES?

Note, Ether voted Huck right off the bat D3 and Poro tuned in to it like a laser:

Ether, why the vote?

'Cause he's scum.

Ythill sheeped Ether.
I found the instant Huck attention a little odd at the time.. CES piles on right after Glork telegraphs his fake result. I know everyone thinks Ether is obvTown or something, but it almost looks a little scripted to me. It's possible that Glork decided on his fake investigation target AFTER he saw Ether's and Ythill's votes.

It's also possible, if there's a quicktopic, that this is a mis-cross-post by Poro:

K I am currently out of town at the funeral, so Im V/LA for a few days then I will post the rest later.

nope nevermind I think it's him misposting from another thread.

Huck's concern about Glork's claim seems genuine--he points out good reasons to be concerned with the claim, as well as reasons it could be real.

He brings up a few irrelevant things to Glork's alignment, like the fact that Glork "cleared" two "innocents". He factors in that claiming was a bad play, even though I believe he acknowledges it's a bad play there for both scum and town.

There's a bit of defense of Glork here and there.

It's a bit creepy that Huck's weird "I see one scum in this group" logic worked out to be at least somewhat true--Glork was in both groups. And Huck put Glork behind Shanba and stark as people to look at based on his conclusions, which doesn't look great if both Shanba and Ether are town.

I don't think his opinion that "Glork's not the play" is super scummy--it was shared by Shanba, Ether, CES and a few others. I actually find shadier the people who dismissed Glork's claim too easily--Porochaz and CDB especially. Town wasn't really sure, and weighed the possibilities. Scum knew Glork was going down soon for his fakeclaim, and started positioning themselves early, and locked it in once the counterclaim arrived. I doubt they were willing to tie Glork around their necks.

If Huck is scum he's sprinkled an awful lot of crap in my direction to try to throw me off:
MBL just lost a little townie point for this. I get the impression that this is a leading question, because my recent posts would point to Yos as scum from this perspective and I've already mentioned that I suspect him.


Conclusion: not sure yet. Glork seemed to play opposite of his normal meta this game--he voted

me

,

Ecto

,

Shanba

, CDB,

Yos

, then finally CES at the end of the day. He was also super sloppy and pretty lazy. He may have been going with the outright "protect your partners" strategy. Which would make Huck, Porochaz, CES the most likely scum. His brief attack on CDB was so half-assed and never reinstated, that it wouldn't be a shocker if CDB was scum. I still find it a little odd that Glork outright defended CES from what appeared to be a possible incoming vigging.

I spotted this from Porochaz:

Why are people unvoting CDB?????????????

grrrrrrrrr

Because the wagon makes no sense?

It's odd to see defense of random town if Poro is scum. More likely, if Poro is scum, CDB is scum.

I'm becoming less interested in a CDB lynch. It is more stagnant than the push against Shanba was. That said, he makes a reasonable vig/investigation target.

This in the middle of a page where DGB and CTD started to rail aggressively against CDB. Why would Glork defuse the CDB wagon? Was he anticipating a CDB mislynch and prepping to blame some townies for it AGAIN, or is he protecting a scumpartner outright?

Posting this even though I haven't fully processed.. I really do think Glork gave us a lot of the answers--we just need to read carefully.

[MrBuddyLee]

(I think CES would have killed Crash instead of Ythill.)

Why?

And what was your reasoning from the previous kill that exonerates CES? Scum killed DGB instead of XXX because...

[Ether]

On second thoughts, I don't want to give my full answer yet. Sorry--feel free to call me on this later.

The Night 2 logic was totally flawed and useless; it was based on roleblocker DGB stuff and can be found back here. I'm just lampshading that this is the second daybreak in a row that I've done this.

Porochaz, why am I scum?

[MrBuddyLee]

Ether, you claimed to have meta galore on Glork. Now that he's confirmed scum, please tell us what his strategy likely was, who he was protecting, and who he was busing. Since you didn't give us more than "he sucks too much to be scum" yesterday, I think you owe us a fuller accounting today of how you view his interactions with each player.

[MrBuddyLee]

On second thoughts, I don't want to give my full answer yet. Sorry--feel free to call me on this later.

ps. This is sketchy.

[Ether]

I'm aware, and don't particularly care. You're welcome to ignore it for now, and I'll swoop in if it's important.

* Glork = town because he sucks this game. pure meta.
* Shanba = town because of viewtopic.php?p=2676637#p2676637 pure meta.

You seem to be the master of meta.

Ether, you claimed to have meta galore on Glork.

Can you

please

stop doing this? I complained the first two times; you're just putting words into my mouth.

[MrBuddyLee]

Shanba, please dazzle me with your genius. Which of Porozac or Huck is more likely scum, and why? Bonus points if your answer invokes the words "Glork" "Glorked" or "Glrok".

[Ether]

Why are you asking Shanba in particular?

[Lord Gurgi]

So I'm more in favour of lynching Huck today than I am MBL. VOTE: Huck That said Ether is doing a great job of making MBL look

really

scummy.

[Ether]

That's...weird wording, but thanks, I guess.

[MrBuddyLee]

Can you

please

stop doing this? I complained the first two times; you're just putting words into my mouth.

That's a serious observation. If he were confident and in control, it could really go either way and I'd have no clue how to read him. (I read him accurately as scum in my last game with him--but the mechanics there forced the scum to act strangely, and I think I was constantly reading him as scum before that too. Still, I think there's a bit I've picked up from them. His selfmeta is totally believable, too.)

You said you picked up a bit from your previous games with Glork, so please share. What did you learn from your previous games with Glork in which you accurately read him as scum?