Oldy Mafia (Game Over, who won?)

[MrBuddyLee]

Why are you asking Shanba in particular?

I'll swoop in and let you know if it becomes important.

[MrBuddyLee]

vote: CDB

[Shanba]

Shanba, please dazzle me with your genius. Which of Porozac or Huck is more likely scum, and why? Bonus points if your answer invokes the words "Glork" "Glorked" or "Glrok".

Sidenote: I'm vaguely amused by the portmanteau of porochaz and prozac.

The thing is, they're both sufficiently close in scumminess that I'm finding it hard to make a distinction. Gun to my head, I'd pick Hackerhuck, I think. Both players have somehow managed to float mostly under the radar in a game where there've been a number of lurkerwagons, and that's particularly worrying in prozac's case because he's been one of the worst offenders - both him and his predecessor were low content. Beyond that? I dunno. His reread is solid-ish. I'm not thrilled with his inhim push, either, particularly the idea that the nurse fakeclaim should be an autolynch. Honestly, I see more townies who declaim than scum. In general town are far more brazen in doing whatever the hell they feel like - with the exception of a few players. But yeah.

Hackerhuck pricked my scumdar originally for something that I'd just misunderstood. Thing is though, despite him having made a decent number of posts, I can't remember what he's really been thinking. For me that's a bad sign. I also don't like the way he was beating around the bush on Glork. I also don't like that as soon as Ctd claimed he's pretty much reinforcing the idea that I'm a godfather with every post. In general, townies don't immediately think GODFATHER on a cop investigated innocent unless they strongly believe that guy is scum. And then there's the way he went about it generally - he's not out and out stating I'm godfather, he's going "oh ythill, you mustn't forget shanba is a gf", "oh, in this scumlist I have shanba as a possible gf". I mean, if you look back through his post history, he has like a few posts detailing why he thinks I'm scummy, but there's not a lot of passion in there. Essentially, il y a quelque chose qui cloche.

[Shanba]

I don't think ether and MBL should be fighting as I think you're probably both still town.

Ether, why would you think that CES would kill anyone except the practically confirmed innocent? And why would you think that on suggesting such a thing, he wouldn't just be overruled by his buddies?

[Ether]

I picked up that Glork could go either way when he's competent, but when he sucks, he's probably town? I was

wrong

, MBL, and the one time I read him correctly as scum, the game mechanics basically forced him not to bus. I think he probably did a more flexible form of that here--intentionally setting up innocents on his scumbuddies one by one and hoping to make it to LyLo that way, where Crash's counterclaim wouldn't have done him as much good--but you may have guessed that I'm not saying that from a totally objective point of view.

Shanba, I just refused to post my thoughts on that.

[Patrick]

Votecount

HackerHuck (3) -- Cogito Ergo Sum, ChannelDelibird, Lord Gurgi
ChannelDelibird (2) -- CrashTextDummie, MrBuddyLee
Porochaz (1) -- HackerHuck
MrBuddyLee (1) -- Ether

Not voting: Porochaz, Shanba, chamber
10 alive, 6 to lynch

[Lord Gurgi]

So yeah. Why are people not voting/posting at all? Chamber?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Ether, why would you think that CES would kill anyone except the practically confirmed innocent? And why would you think that on suggesting such a thing, he wouldn't just be overruled by his buddies?

Do you think CTD will be killed Tonight? If yes, don't you agree that scum could reasonably switch the Ythill and CTD kills?

P.S. I'm waiting for HackerHuck to get strung up.

[ChannelDelibird]

Prodded. Derp. No excuse. Still behind. Sorry. Working on it.

[Shanba]

Ether, why would you think that CES would kill anyone except the practically confirmed innocent? And why would you think that on suggesting such a thing, he wouldn't just be overruled by his buddies?

Do you think CTD will be killed Tonight? If yes, don't you agree that scum could reasonably switch the Ythill and CTD kills?

P.S. I'm waiting for HackerHuck to get strung up.

I spose they could, but I considered Ythill more confirmed than CTD and I assumed the scum would too. Hm.

Vote: Hackerhuck

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Well, he is, but I don't think that would ever come up.

[MrBuddyLee]

CES, I haven't seen you give a reason why you're voting for HackerHuck. Can you please give a brief summary?

[MrBuddyLee]

chamber, I hope you don't get replaced. I've enjoyed having you in the game, and besides that, it'd be a nightmare to bring a replacement in at this point.

[Shanba]

Hey MBL

you've asked a lot of questions today and quoted a lot of information. Where exactly are you going with it all? What's your current thoughts on the game?

[Ether]

I have a hypothesis on that one.

[MrBuddyLee]

I'm not sure about Huck and I'm not sure we have enough information to know who's going after him for good reasons and who's not. Whether he's scum or not, we'll have to make decisions tomorrow based on the quality of people's cases on him. I'm fairly certain that the scumteam has decided to do some busing, which will make it difficult for us to pick out the remaining scum. For example, let's say scum #3 votes for scum #1 today, scum #1 again tomorrow, and scum #2 the next day. We'll have no way to distinguish them from a townie who voted wrong unless we get them to say more about their reasons for voting. I don't think all scum will bus, because that'd make it too easy for us to pick off one or two of them, but I definitely think there will be a busing component to endgame here.

It cracks me up that anyone would criticize me for asking questions in a game where people aren't saying all that much, just plunking down their votes. I suppose that irks scum, because they have to make some shit up or even worse, actually read the thread and come up with reasonable answers that don't smell like horseshit? Not everyone is guilty of this, but I still think we're information-deficient.

I think Ether has played horribly as town or brilliantly as scum.

Scratch that. She had some decent early opinions on CTD, DGB, Ythill, Shanba, Yos, albeit with minimal evidence stated. Lots of town reads, not many scum reads. Seemed to be reading people's posts thoughtfully. I didn't like that she tried to stop DGB from vigging. She protected Glork all day. She's had lots of town reads and no consistent strong scum reads except Huck. If he's scum, she's probably town, as she's tried to bury him for a few days now. I don't really like how when Glork claimed and CTD countered, she tried to fit everything into her view on Glork instead of following the evidence. Glork HAD to be town, so Huck was no longer a top suspect, so Porochaz became her top suspect, and she suddenly became willing to lynch me, who she'd recently found townish. Annoying or scummy. Definitely annoying, and if not scummy then just a very different way than I play.

She seems to show deference to CES, CDB, who I don't feel have done much recently to earn that deference. She seems to find chamber and Huck scummy, and possibly Porochaz. I really don't like that she calls CES town based on the nightkill, but won't explain her thoughts. It's almost as if she slipped based on some information scum would have and not town, then realized that's not a postable reason, and is now hoping everyone will forget. I can't think of a reason she wouldn't back up her "CES is town" statement if she is town.

I guess the flips will tell the tale on Ether. Relentless attacks on Huck except when Glork bubbled him. Mild attacks on Porochaz and pushing him instead of Glork. Deference to CDB/CES and seeing CDB in particular as a victim in this game. We won't see Shanba's flip just yet, so we won't know until game over how her read on him was. Her mildly scummy read on chamber is fine I suppose, but shy on evidence, and imo her read on me is shortsighted. Scum are looking for the easiest two or so townies to lynch so they can win. I don't really fit into that category, so I don't know why Etherscum would be voting me besides to avoid having to vote a scumpartner. I really don't know what the hell she's up to right now if she's town. If scum, I'd have to guess she's avoiding a scumpartner's wagon to give time for a town wagon to build alongside it?

I wouldn't remotely consider lynching Ether today, but if a bad flip comes, she should be seriously looked into. I would consider Huck = town to be a bad flip for Ether, and to a lesser extent CDB=scum or CES=scum. I don't think a chamberflip would say much about her, nor CTD or Gurgi, and a Shanbaflip probably isn't happening to give us a read on her Shanbacall.

[Ether]

I'm not sure about Huck and I'm not sure we have enough information to know who's going after him for good reasons and who's not.

It cracks me up that anyone would criticize me for asking questions in a game where people aren't saying all that much,

Heh.

Now make a post about who you would remotely consider lynching.

[Ether]

PS. CDB gets his poliwag when he deserves it.

[HackerHuck]

Glork called me out for excluding MBL from my list of surviving D1 lynch avoiders (

stark

Ether, Lord Gurgi,

Shanba

, chamber,

Glork

). I see this as a two-fold reaction. First, he's trying to discredit me and make me look scummy for leaving someone out. That would give him potentially two targets for the price of one (me and MBL). That of course assumes that we're both town (which I believe).

Let's assume for a minute that I'm wrong and that MBL is scum. What benefit does Glork get from drawing more attention to his scum-partner. I only see it working out in the scums' interests if he's pretty confident that MBL is going to be lynched and that he can taint me for supporting MBL-scum. It doesn't make sense to draw attention toward MBL-scum in this situation when he made another point to try and discredit my choice to focus on those five. Statistically speaking, even assuming MBL scum and Glork as the only scum in those five, I would have been better off looking at the 9 survivors that lynched Mert. I obviously exclude myself from those nine, so that's trying to find 2 scum in 8 people versus 1 in 5.

My analysis on those five ranked them scum to town like this -

stark

Ether,

Shanba

,

Glork

, Lord Gurgi, chamber

Glorks first few posts afterward made no mention of my conclusions, rather he scolds Shanba for not doing what I did. I see that comment as a slight bit of buddying meant to get me to move to my second highest suspect. That further discounts the possibility of Shanba GF, since that's too subtle to be a bussing move.

That all seems to indicate that I was on the right path and that there's still another scum in the remaining group of Ether, Chamber and Gurgi.

[HackerHuck]

I don't really like how when Glork claimed and CTD countered, she tried to fit everything into her view on Glork instead of following the evidence. Glork HAD to be town, so Huck was no longer a top suspect, so Porochaz became her top suspect, and she suddenly became willing to lynch me, who she'd recently found townish.

Just noticed this piece of your quote and want some clarification from Ether. Why was it that you felt I was likely town and MBL was likely scum when Glork supposedly had innocent results on both of us?

[HackerHuck]

Sorry for the triple post, but that question is directed at Ether if it isn't obvious from the context.

[Ether]

I didn't. I thought you were both likely scum, especially you. (That was the first time my attention had really been drawn to MBL, I believe. Can't remember if anything had been bugging me strongly before then.) But Ythill had just made a post indicating that he thought Glork and MBL was scum together. As I said at the time, MBL was a compromise I was prepared to make.

[ChannelDelibird]

You cruel mistress, Ether! I shall have a post containing opinions on chamber, CES and Prozac and an estimation of the scumteam before 7pm GMT tomorrow.

[Ether]

Preview happens now.

[ChannelDelibird]

Preview happens now.

...no? I don't have anything for you yet. This should be obvious.