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Post Post #925 (ISO) » Sat Jan 29, 2011 6:04 pm

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Nachomamma8 wrote:I don't even know anymore, Lat.
This. The claim by Seraphim on singer is really what screwed us. If we had known there was a JK, or Seraph had claimed a guilty on someone else, we might've pulled this off.
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Post Post #926 (ISO) » Sat Jan 29, 2011 6:05 pm

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A tracker claim would have made a world of difference, what was with the whole discussion about counter claiming power roles?
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Post Post #927 (ISO) » Sat Jan 29, 2011 6:06 pm

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I think we figured we could get it down to a 1v1. Unfortunately, the JK claim didn't gel, and it screwed us over.
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Post Post #928 (ISO) » Sat Jan 29, 2011 6:06 pm

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JK in endgame + Watcher in main game is a pretty damn strong town though.
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Post Post #929 (ISO) » Sat Jan 29, 2011 6:09 pm

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Thor665 wrote:Pumpernickel?
shhh with talk about breadcrumbing
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Post Post #930 (ISO) » Sat Jan 29, 2011 6:11 pm

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Nachomamma8 wrote:
Thor665 wrote:Pumpernickel?
shhh with talk about breadcrumbing
I think he was interested in knowing which kind of bread I baked
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Post Post #931 (ISO) » Sat Jan 29, 2011 6:11 pm

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Post Post #932 (ISO) » Sat Jan 29, 2011 6:15 pm

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Flavor:

You wake up in a groggy state and notice something: There is smoke everywhere.

The house is on fire!

You grab what you can and you run out the door to your room. As you run by the smoke and the flames, you notice that the other doors were open too, sans residents. As you run out the door, you turn and look at the smoldering remains of what used to be a glorious mansion.

*click*

"Hello, Thor."

Reckamonic stands behind you with a gun to your head. singersigner, the arsonist, and Powerrox93, the man who committed fraud, sat, their hands tied behind their back.

"You thought you can get away with this, didn't you? You really think you're a good person? Well...FORGET the money. You deserve this just as much as we do, and you know it. You cops...you always think that you're the better ones. At least Nacho had the sense to think our way; we just wanted to get paid on the side."

Your life flashes before your eyes, and you focus on the night that changed your life.


New York City, 10 years earlier. You are a cop, and you are called in to investigate and possibly commit a drug bust. However, as you and your men surround a seemingly empty warehouse...

...a car pulls away. You and your men get into your cars and drive after him. Your heart is racing; you were a newer cop on the force and you wanted to make sure that your first chase ended smoothly.

All of a sudden, a man, dressed like a tourist, walks into the middle of the road. You hit the brakes, but it wasn't soon enough; you hit the man and paralyzed him. Since he was not killed, all of the charges were dropped against you, but you took up years of therapy. You turned in your gun and badge permanently in return for a safer office job as a normal citizen, but you remember the man's father in court almost everyday in your nightmares. He swore justice against you.



You come back to reality.

Suddenly, rage and panic flows through you.

"IT WASN'T MY FAULT."

You turn around and grab the gun in the middle of the cliche climax speech, punch Reckamonic in the face and point it towards him.

He's stunned, although he's able to make out a sentence in a raspy voice.

"You are no different than us, just remember that."

"You know, I don't care about your stupid mind games any longer. And yes, we are different than you. Because, you know why? We're the ones carrying the gun."

*BANG*




As you and your two new friends arrive at the bus station, after walking through the newly changed weather to town, you shake hands with the other former guests and part ways. You find yourself with a new found clarity, the ability to forgive yourself. After all, dwelling on a tragic moment only brings pain and rage. That is the greatest lesson of all, you tell yourself. Despite all of the fear and heartache you went through, you find yourself able to let go of the past and walk on.

As the bus pulls up, you grab whatever things you were able to get out of the house. For a moment, a butterfly flies down and lands on your wrist. You stop to look at it. It shakes it's newly-found wings at you and flies away, just as quickly as it came.



ORIGINAL ROLE LIST

1. singersigner, Vanilla Townie
2. ConfidAnon, Mafia Rolecop
3. AGar, Vanilla Townie
4. Powerrox93, Town Jailkeeper
5. Guderian, Vanilla Townie
6. Rhinox, Vanilla Townie
7. sims5487, Vanilla Townie
8. Carrotcake, Town Watcher
9. Seraphim, Mafia Goon
10. Blood Queen, Town One-shot Neighborizer
11. Thor665, Vanilla Townie
12. Reckamonic, Mafia Goon



ROLE PMS

Jailkeeper

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Your power: You may, if you wish, choose to protect one person from a nightkill AND prevent them from committing any night actions once per night.

Win condition: You win when you eliminate all anti-town players, even if you yourself are dead.




Watcher

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. Being blackmailed for your constant voyeurism is making you unsettled. Sure, an addiction such as yours can be destructive, but it's nothing compared to what's happening to you. You have decided to use your sly, cunning and somewhat perverted skill to help those in need, just this one time.

Your power: You may, if you wish, choose to investigate one person and see if someone had targeted them for a night action once per night. You will learn the person's name, but not their alignment or night action.

Win condition: You win when you eliminate all anti-town players, even if you yourself are dead.





One-shot Neighborizer

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. You get a little lonely sometimes....but that doesn't excuse the excessive stalking that you've been doing, and somehow the ones responsible for keeping you in this cabin know this. You feel like you must have a friend in this time of need...too bad you can't trust anybody.

Your power: You may, if you wish, choose once this game and during the night to pick a person to talk to during night phases only for the rest of the game. When you pick a person to neighborize during a certain night, access to the Quicktopic will be given at the start of the next night. You will NOT learn their alignment and they will not know yours (they will be told that you two "are neighbors now", but that's it). If you or your neighbor dies, the ability to talk in the Quicktopic will be prohibited.

Win condition: You win when you eliminate all anti-town players, even if you yourself are dead.




Goon

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. You are confident that you and your friends' plans will make you millions of dollars. You must do what you can to make sure that this comes to fruition...but a little fun and a little killing doesn't hurt, either. Besides, what's a few eggs when you're making an omelette?

Your power: You have no special powers of your own, but you may night kill once per night, at the discretion of your team.

Your partners in crime are Seraphim (
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).

Win condition: You win when either all threats to the mafia are eliminated or when the mafia reaches the condition of not being able to lose the game, even if you yourself are dead.



Goon 2

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Your power: You have no special powers of your own, but you may night kill once per night, at the discretion of your team.

Your partners in crime are Reckamonic (
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Win condition: You win when either all threats to the mafia are eliminated or when the mafia reaches the condition of not being able to lose the game, even if you yourself are dead.




Rolecop

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, you are the
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. You are confident that you and your friends' plans will make you millions of dollars. You must do what you can to make sure that this comes to fruition...but a little fun and a little killing doesn't hurt, either. Besides, what's a few eggs when you're making an omelette? This comes easy to a dirty cop who has accepted bribes and killed innocent people.

Your power: You may, if you wish, choose once per night to investigate a player and find out their role. Otherwise, you may, at the discretion of your team, night kill once per night. You cannot investigate and be the one to perform the night kill in the same night.

Your partners in crime are Reckamonic (
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Mafia Goon
).

Win condition: You win when either all threats to the mafia are eliminated or when the mafia reaches the condition of not being able to lose the game, even if you yourself are dead.



VT

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, you are a
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. You're afraid that your documented crime will hit the public and ruin your life. You must do everything that you can to make sure the ones responsible for this travesty must die!

Your power: You have no powers except your vote to lynch, so use it wisely.

Win condition: You win when you eliminate all anti-town players, even if you yourself are dead.


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, you are a
Vanilla Townie
. You're afraid that your documented crime will hit the public and ruin your life. You must do everything that you can to make sure the ones responsible for this travesty must die!

Your power: You have no powers except your vote to lynch, so use it wisely.

Win condition: You win when you eliminate all anti-town players, even if you yourself are dead.

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, you are a
Vanilla Townie
. You're afraid that your documented crime will hit the public and ruin your life. You must do everything that you can to make sure the ones responsible for this travesty must die!

Your power: You have no powers except your vote to lynch, so use it wisely.

Win condition: You win when you eliminate all anti-town players, even if you yourself are dead.

Thor665
, you are a
Vanilla Townie
. You're afraid that your documented crime will hit the public and ruin your life. You must do everything that you can to make sure the ones responsible for this travesty must die!

Your power: You have no powers except your vote to lynch, so use it wisely.

Win condition: You win when you eliminate all anti-town players, even if you yourself are dead.

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, you are a
Vanilla Townie
. You're afraid that your documented crime will hit the public and ruin your life. You must do everything that you can to make sure the ones responsible for this travesty must die!

Your power: You have no powers except your vote to lynch, so use it wisely.

Win condition: You win when you eliminate all anti-town players, even if you yourself are dead.

Guderian
, you are a
Vanilla Townie
. You're afraid that your documented crime will hit the public and ruin your life. You must do everything that you can to make sure the ones responsible for this travesty must die!

Your power: You have no powers except your vote to lynch, so use it wisely.

Win condition: You win when you eliminate all anti-town players, even if you yourself are dead.



QUICKTOPICS

Mafia: http://www.quicktopic.com/44/H/arGtjiP4BUv
Afterlife: http://www.quicktopic.com/44/H/4hryZcijqya
Neighbor: http://www.quicktopic.com/45/H/iACPi5Uy8NCF



NIGHT ACTIONS


Night 1

Powerrox93 jailkeeps Thor665
Blood Queen neighborizes Reckamonic
Seraphim kills Rhinox
ConfidAnon investigates Carrotcake
Carrotcake does not investigate


Night 2

Lateralus22 watches Nachomamma8
Nachomamma8 does not investigate
Seraphim kills iamausername
Powerrox93 jailkeeps Reckamonic


Night 3

Seraphim kills mothrax
Lateralus22 watches Reckamonic (failed!)
Nachomamma8 investigates Thor665
Powerrox93 jailkeeps Lateralus22


Night 4

Lateralus22 watches Thor665 (killed)
Reckamonic kills Lateralus22
Nachomamma8 investigates Reckamonic
Powerrox93 jailkeeps Thor665

Night 5

Powerrox93 jailkeeps Reckamonic
Reckamonic kills Powerrox93 (failed!)
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Post Post #933 (ISO) » Sat Jan 29, 2011 6:17 pm

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I just lost a lot of respect for you.
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Post Post #934 (ISO) » Sat Jan 29, 2011 6:22 pm

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The above was a lot more clever when it was in direct response to the claim of baking white bread, fyi.
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Post Post #935 (ISO) » Sat Jan 29, 2011 6:22 pm

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I was gonna say, haha
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Post Post #936 (ISO) » Sat Jan 29, 2011 6:25 pm

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@DH: You did a good job in your modding debut.
Although scum could have another PR.
And /barn xRECKONERx on JK in endgame might be to powerful
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Post Post #937 (ISO) » Sat Jan 29, 2011 6:30 pm

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Anyway, my thoughts:

The setup went through a lot of versions. Overall, I tweaked it so that there would be a reliance on scumhunting over power roles. Scum became very well off in the beginning due to the cop on Carrotcake, but they failed to use that appropriately. A pre-counterclaim was a risky maneuver that didn't really go their way, and the reactions of scum to Sera's fake claim created an avalanche of information that town was able to use against them. Both teams did great, however. There was absolutely nothing Reck could do.

The JKer is in the same boat; If the JKer is able to stop a kill, no real information is gained, unless it's at endgame. Both the cop and the JKer are relatively useless roles until it is early game and late game, respectively. The watcher balances out the two other goons, and I personally think the Watcher is stronger than a tracker.

As far as my mod error goes, I flipped Rhinox before Carrotcake got a chance to send in her action, thinking she was late to send it in, however, I flipped a day early. It made no difference, however; Carrotcake never sent in her action even a day after the deadline. Nothing was affected.

The reviewers of the setup were Hoopla, JDodge, mykonian, SpyreX, Plum and Slaxx. We think it's relatively balanced, but I understand concerns that it wouldn't be, from both sides. It doesn't look balanced at first, but remember the specifics and the idea behind it. Scum was very powerful, but their claim did them in, even though it was a clever idea, it wasn't very organized.

You have to remember that an all goon team vs a town team with a Doctor or a Tracker is considered moderately balanced, at least in our opinion. Again, both the rolecop and the JKer can be used to the team's advantage and to the team's disadvantage.
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Post Post #938 (ISO) » Sat Jan 29, 2011 6:34 pm

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@DH: Yeah it's hard to compensate for the human factor.
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Post Post #939 (ISO) » Sat Jan 29, 2011 6:42 pm

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For the town the fact we actually had the roles placed much more importance than the actions we used.
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Post Post #940 (ISO) » Sat Jan 29, 2011 6:55 pm

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I just read the afterlife QT...I agree with AGar; totally got it from him. lol.

and I dunno...I'm still learning. I know this wasn't exactly my best game, but I'm trying to learn how to get out of the habit of tunnel-vision.

And you guys don't even know the chest pains I had because after not being helpful AT ALL at the beginning, I was stressing waaay too much over trying to win it for town (not like it was all me by any means). I was really trying to fix my mistakes, but stupid Seraph had to be all mean like that. I nearly shat myself when I saw his claim, lol.
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Post Post #941 (ISO) » Sat Jan 29, 2011 7:00 pm

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tbh I don't think you tunneled too much this time around

note about the Gud claim, I honestly don't see a problem with it.

Here's the thing, claim VT you die, nothing out of the ordinary happens. Claim pr role... well you run the risk of outing of the real pr and cause a big mess.

But Sk? You confuse the hell out of everyone giving some decent analysis to look for PLUS you run no risk of outing a power roles via this method. Sounds good to me.
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Post Post #942 (ISO) » Sat Jan 29, 2011 7:25 pm

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Well, I just meant more or less in the squabble between you/your predecessor and me. I get a little too defensive as town, I think. Again, something I'm working on, haha.
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Post Post #943 (ISO) » Sat Jan 29, 2011 7:29 pm

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DH wrote:Scum was very powerful,
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Post Post #944 (ISO) » Sat Jan 29, 2011 7:46 pm

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Yeah. We actually slightly considered scum being too powerful. By day 2, you had two power roles outed. You were neighborized and nacho copped carrot along with guderian and rhinox being dead. That was half of the role list if you consider your knowledge of your buddies. Strength doesn't always have to come in a killing/blocking role.
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Post Post #945 (ISO) » Sun Jan 30, 2011 1:11 am

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Honestly, this was a tough earned win for town, but scum had it's mistakes. As I pointed out, Nacho self-hammering when he hit L-1 or shortly thereafter might have completely saved the game. Recka (I'm assuming Reck was the dominant personality in this game - it seemed it quite often) wouldn't have had the opportunity to slip in the nature in which he did. PR might've JKed someone else, kill gone through and then a different LYLO.

Scum was a bit slighted, but not enough that it affected the game's outcome. Neighborizer didn't do anything, and I don't think Lat got a successful watch off, so the only role that played a part at all was the JK, which only came through at the end to bite them. If Nacho had investigated PR on N2, this game would've gone in a completely different direction, I think.

Why did Nacho investigate Recka on N4? o.O
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Post Post #946 (ISO) » Sun Jan 30, 2011 7:22 am

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He didn't have a use for it, so he might as well check if he was an usurper.
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Post Post #947 (ISO) » Sun Jan 30, 2011 9:00 am

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AGar, the point isn't that he got a successful watch, it's that his claim gelled with the JK claims and made it nigh impossible for scum to break the setup with massclaim.
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Post Post #948 (ISO) » Sun Jan 30, 2011 10:27 am

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Though that can happen with lots of power role interactions - that's why lots of players recommend mass claim as a pro-town move. It makes sense that mass claim has as much chance to help town as to help scum, yes?
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Post Post #949 (ISO) » Mon Jan 31, 2011 3:49 am

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xRECKONERx wrote:AGar, the point isn't that he got a successful watch, it's that his claim gelled with the JK claims and made it nigh impossible for scum to break the setup with massclaim.
How is this bad? You guys brought the massclaim idea into play, and it backfired? It's not like town said "Hey guys, I think a massclaim can win us this game!" and it did.

Also, I don't think the massclaim made such a huge deal. I think if the second to last day had been significantly shorter, the endgame may have played out very differently. You might not have made the slip that led PR to JKing you, leading to a very different endgame.
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