Oldy Mafia (Game Over, who won?)

[Patrick]

Votecount

HackerHuck (4) -- Cogito Ergo Sum, ChannelDelibird, Lord Gurgi, Shanba
ChannelDelibird (2) -- CrashTextDummie, MrBuddyLee
Porochaz (1) -- HackerHuck
MrBuddyLee (1) -- Ether

Not voting: Porochaz, Zorblag
10 alive, 6 to lynch

[Ether]

Which means I would seriously like Zorblag to get the fuck back to us.

And Gurgi to detail The Saga of What He Thinks of MBL.

[HackerHuck]

Ether - it seems like you're waiting around to drop the hammer. Why do you think my wagon has stalled?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

You're not that scary, Ether. That's a silly reason to think someone is town.

What we need right now, is for 2 people to shape up and vote HackerHuck.

Why do you think my wagon has stalled?

'Cause you're scum.

[HackerHuck]

If I'm scum, then why has my wagon stalled?

[Ether]

Heh. To Porochaz I'd be.

I think your wagon has stalled because CDB, Porochaz, Zorblag and Crash all vanished from the face of the earth and I want to talk to them while you're still alive and try to figure out what to do tomorrow.

[Zorblag]

So I've now read the last part of day two and all of day three and day four. I've skimmed over other parts of the game and feel like I've got some idea of what's going on.

For the uninteresting basics, I don't see any reason not to believe the 1 shot cop claim from CrashTextDummie and I'm not going to waste time worrying about Shanba being a godfather or some such while we should have two other scum out there. The two of them are off the table at this point.

I'm inclined to think that we should no lynch when and if we make another mislynch (assuming one kill per night from here on out.) Until that condition is met we should be better off making our best guesses as they shouldn't end the game even if we're wrong.

The HackerHuck lynch is find today and is probably my top choice. A huge part of that is how he's interacted with Glork. It seems like there were a couple times when he was coming up with short lists that included Glork and somehow Glork just never got into the picture. I disliked how he reacted to the claim yesterday and he spent more energy than I think was reasonable arguing against a Glork lynch even as it became more apparent that it was a decent way to go (but without going the over the top mindless being wrong route that Ether took.) The day one switch to a wagon that no one else was on when we were almost at deadline doesn't feel like a town move and overall I feel that he's just not a pro-town presence.

I was worried about Ether for a while in the middle of my day three read but I just have trouble thinking that she'd spend that much time defending Glork as blatantly if they were teammates. Perhaps she's tricking me here but it doesn't really feel like it'd be a legitimate strategy. I also don't think that she'd be that likely to be scum with HackerHuck (who I think has a decent chance) just because I don't know why she'd bother spending so much time at him at the start of days three and four; I think he could have probably slid for a while if there wasn't so much being out there and drumming up support.

I need to take another look at most of the rest of the players before I've got much in the way of thoughts on them as the readthrough I did absolutely drew me to those two given that I was looking for interactions with Glork in particular. I will say that if HackerHuck is scum there looks to be a bit of protection of Porochaz on day two (why did HackerHuck move his vote from Stark because there didn't seem to be support for the lynch and then a while later want to leave his vote on Shanba over Porchaz despite the fact that he was the only one voting Shanba at the time?) I guess I think that the MrBuddyLee/Ether spat feels somewhat likely to be town on town but that's probably somewhat confirmation bias because I think HackerHuck is likely to be scum and I don't think that either should be his partner (MrBuddyLee at least as much because I'm trying to outguess Glork and don't think he'd spend so much time on distancing and then try to fake-clear a partner with his cop claim.) I might look at that again later (and I'll have to if we lynch HackerHuck and turns out to be town) but it's not a priority just now.

I don't have nearly the impressions on ChannelDelibird, Cogito Ergo Sum or Lord Gurgi that I should and I'll need to look more closely at Porochaz on his own in a bit.

If it didn't put him at L-1 I'd vote HackerHuck now. As it is I'll give the game just a bit to see if anyone would like to talk about what I've just said or point anything out that I'm blatantly missing. The lynch feels like it's going to be what happens and I'm still getting traction here.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Voting would totally be appropriate, just fyi, Zorblag.

[Zorblag]

@Cogito Ergo Sum, yeah, I know. I also know that Ether just said that she wanted to talk with me (among others) before tomorrow. I'll probably vote by tonight.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Zorblag]

Hmmm, I sort of expect HackerHuck to have something to say to me when he was on a bit ago. Maybe he's posting a message and just not showing up as it's on the long side?

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Ether]

No, he tends to appear on the online list when people are talking about him and then slink away. Happens all the time. Constantly. He's probably reading this without logging in as we speak.

[Zorblag]

@Ether, so while you're here, was there anything you wanted to talk to me in particular about today (other than just wanting me to post some content)?

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Ether]

Not really. I do want to watch you and Gurgi duke it out for a while.

[Zorblag]

@Ether, yeah, that'd be one sided at this point. Right now I don't have anything in particular against Lord Gurgi; he didn't stand out in my read and he's certainly not worth pestering today given the deadline and that I like the HackerHuck wagon. If he wants to ask me about chamber's play that'd be fine but I doubt I'll give him satisfying answers as I tend to think that chamber's votes in particular were on the unimpressive side.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Zorblag]

In any case, I'm pretty tired today; it's already been a long week and I'm ready for a pretty early bedtime tonight (so that I can wake up and grade and write practice exam solutions way too early.) As such I'll just go ahead and assume that those that wanted to say something to me before a vote have had a chance.

VOTE: HackerHuck

That should be L-1 but I have no qualms about hammers at this point.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[HackerHuck]

I'm not sure what you expected me to say about that. I'm scummy for my behaviour regarding the Glork claim. I can't deny that I was wrong about Glork. The rest of the post is a bunch of assumptions based on me being scum, so it's not worth discussing. I feel like I've made some decent points over the last few days, so just get it over with unless there's something specific you want from me.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

If I'm scum, then why has my wagon stalled?

'Cause scum would be more willing to jump on a wagon here if it was on a townie (note that signs point to the wagon being townie-driven).

[HackerHuck]

So who not on the wagon is scum?

[HackerHuck]

Do you think it's two out of Ether, MBL, and Porochaz? Ether's waiting to hammer - do you find that scummy? If not, then you think my partners are MBL and Porochaz? I'd be curious to know how that really makes any sense.

[MrBuddyLee]

Just thought of something.

If CDB was town and Huck was scum, scum would be ALL OVER the CDB wagon right now. They have me and CTD to hide behind. Obvtownie and cop. You couldn't get better cover.

Instead, two townies sit alone on CDB.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Townie-driven =/= exclusively townie. I think you and 'Chaz are scum.

[CrashTextDummie]

I agree with MBL. Please don't lynch Hacker Huck.

I will be here all of tomorrow, reading this game, Ether.

[Ether]

I probably will. I still think Huck's scum, and his recent behavior only makes me feel better about this. He's tuned out since Monday, and after coming back he's just going on about wagon stalling. I think if he were town, the knowledge that his top two were both people who were calmly letting his wagon stall might be remotely interesting to him.

I do want to rant/bounce my ideas and MBL thoughts and shit off of you tomorrow, though, and I'm all for talking about Huck too. Right now I've got to find a class in five minutes, and then hopefully go home and faint.

[Zorblag]

@MrBuddyLee and CrashTextDummie, have you both decided that it's pretty unlikely that HackerHuck and ChannelDelibird aren't scum together? It sort of looks like you have with that argument.

Apparently I'll be taking look at Channeldeilibird in partilar when I get a chance to look at things again (which should be tomorrow.) I failed to come away with a strong opinion about his play last time through.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[MrBuddyLee]

Huck could be scum, I'm just saying it's unlikely that {CDB is town and Huck is scum}. So unless you think they're both town, CDB is probably scum.