Mafia 125: Khan's Game of Mafia (Game Over)

[curiouskarmadog]

you means your vote on dutch?...yeah I know...that is why i think you are scummy

[yabbaguy]

Chevre, why are you still preoccupied with your potential lynch whilst you, well, were on zero? You're mentioning the prospect of you dropping before Dutch.

[SpyreX]

DGB'D:

Riddle me this batman.

Why are you thinkin its a 2 setup? With those kills and an SK flip I'm pretty sure we're lookin at a unified scum.

[DrippingGoofball]

DGB'D:

Riddle me this batman.

Why are you thinkin its a 2 setup? With those kills and an SK flip I'm pretty sure we're lookin at a unified scum.

Yeah I was dreaming, I forgot the SK died. I just love X-kills so much.

[SpyreX]

...

Touche.

<3

[RedCoyote]

First of all, the Dutch one is one crappy wagon. I really don't buy it. He sounded like a super sincere noob on D1.

I've never been one to excuse people from being scum because of their experience or lackthereof. There are some people you are more or less willing to cut a little slack given their meta or given that they made a questionable statement, but that doesn't mean they can't be scum. I see no reason to look past Dutch in this instance, let alone write him off as obvtown.

RedCoyote who echoed on my point on Antihero as excellent in the same post in which he hammered Gorrad, and then his first post today went like "the Antihero lynch would be the loveliest but hey I can also support this great thing on the Dutch one"
That is really fishy. That to

start the day with

? A-hero already had one vote, the start of the day is where you don't compromize if you're actually interested => me no like.

I can have other suspicions; I can work other angles. Yes, I specifically noted Antihero because I didn't want people to forget that I didn't care for the quote here, but we obviously have a fundamental disagreement over Dutch at the moment (and it's not our first). I want Dutch to take some flak over his opening statement. Maybe he'll satisfy me, and maybe he won't.

I mean, any player would have a reaction to the new information to themselves. Any player would think to themselves the obvious the the Dutch one stated.

If you want to analyze it, that's fine by me. Why was there no analysis? If you want to vote based on it, that's fine by me. Why was there no vote? It's just this pure, "Dang! They got our doctor... frowny face. But at least we nabbed that serial killer... happy face." It's the most basic type of psychological manipulation. You're trying to tell everyone that you feel just like they do, and it's okay. It's like a forced empathy. I mean, I don't want to sound like I know anything about psychology, I just call out worthless drivel when I see it. This particular worthless drivel was aimed at making Dutch seem like "part of the town" more than anything else that I can tell. Unless you can point me to someone analytical angle that I'm missing.

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I think if I am lynched/killed before Dutch one, you should immediately lynch Dutch one afterwards. The way he buddied me seemed like scum trying to appear town by saying "I told you so" after I'm lynched. Now with his reaction to the night's events, we know he will do that.

Yes, please, let us not forget about this.

I agree with Chevre, your choice seems a bit pointless.. you're probably just voting Chevre because that is a large wagon...

This is a big allegation that I think is unwarranted. You should expand on this, or I'm just going to assume you are slinging mud here.

I never much cared for Dutch's position on Chevre.

[Chevre]

yabbaguy, I don't really know. I just feel that my lynch would be a super indication that Dutch one is scum.

[PokerFace]

I'm a little backed up at work. Will get caught up tomorrow

[inHimshallibe]

k back.

Dutch one is so obviously the new werewolf it hurts. Antihero still needs to die, but CKD's skeezy werewolf vote makes a persuasive argument in that direction... alright, I'll play along.

Vote: CKD

, let's see what comes of this.

Next on my to do list is to actually go through and isoread CKD's posts from yesterday.

YOU KEEP DOING THIS POINT IN A DIRECTION, VOTE ANOTHER. BAD.

vote: Cyberbob

[DrippingGoofball]

k back.

Dutch one is so obviously the new werewolf it hurts. Antihero still needs to die, but CKD's skeezy werewolf vote makes a persuasive argument in that direction... alright, I'll play along.

Vote: CKD

, let's see what comes of this.

Next on my to do list is to actually go through and isoread CKD's posts from yesterday.

YOU KEEP DOING THIS POINT IN A DIRECTION, VOTE ANOTHER. BAD.

vote: Cyberbob

Is Cyberbob dropping an

FOS: buddy - vote: townie

???

[nocase]

hate is a strong word. it also happens to be extraordinarily relevant to my feelings toward each and every one of you.

[curiouskarmadog]

seems harsh

[Cyberbob]

k back.

Dutch one is so obviously the new werewolf it hurts. Antihero still needs to die, but CKD's skeezy werewolf vote makes a persuasive argument in that direction... alright, I'll play along.

Vote: CKD

, let's see what comes of this.

Next on my to do list is to actually go through and isoread CKD's posts from yesterday.

YOU KEEP DOING THIS POINT IN A DIRECTION, VOTE ANOTHER. BAD.

vote: Cyberbob

It's at least partly a pressure vote at this point, chill. Antihero is most definitely my preferred lynch today but it would be remiss of me not to try and eke out as much information from today as possible (within reason of course).

[Weatherman]

First of all, the Dutch one is one crappy wagon. I really don't buy it. He sounded like a super sincere noob on D1.

I've never been one to excuse people from being scum because of their experience or lackthereof. There are some people you are more or less willing to cut a little slack given their meta or given that they made a questionable statement, but that doesn't mean they can't be scum. I see no reason to look past Dutch in this instance, let alone write him off as obvtown.

Let me repost,
He sounded like a

super sincere

noob on D1
super sincere and noob are both descriptors. I'm not "excusing" him, I'm stating he sounded super sincere D1, and acted like a noob. noobness is independent of sincerety, but a trait how to categorize his behaviour (meta climate matters a huge amount so i don't care about 5 games on some other site).

I can have other suspicions; I can work other angles. Yes, I specifically noted Antihero because I didn't want people to forget that I didn't care for the quote here, but we obviously have a fundamental disagreement over Dutch at the moment (and it's not our first). I want Dutch to take some flak over his opening statement. Maybe he'll satisfy me, and maybe he won't.

Do you think Antihero would be the best lynch? Y/N please.

If you want to analyze it, that's fine by me. Why was there no analysis? If you want to vote based on it, that's fine by me. Why was there no vote? It's just this pure, "Dang! They got our doctor... frowny face. But at least we nabbed that serial killer... happy face." It's the most basic type of psychological manipulation. You're trying to tell everyone that

you feel just like they do

, and it's okay. It's like a forced empathy. I mean, I don't want to sound like I know anything about psychology, I just call out worthless drivel when I see it. This particular worthless drivel was aimed at making Dutch seem like "part of the town" more than anything else that I can tell. Unless you can point me to someone analytical angle that I'm missing.

"This first post of the day made 20 minutes after the opening of the thread is OBVSCUM and never could come from town's mouth because it's an inexperienced player blurting aloud the obvious and has no analysis or vote. No town would ever state the obvious! Instead it must be scum PRETENDING to do so to fit in. Why? Because it's just what the town thinks. Look, look, it's in the wiki!"

[Weatherman]

No. I'm still happy with the Gorrad lynch and I'll take that gamble on risk-reward every time.

This one though wraps itself up all nice and clean.

SpyreX. Clarify what you meant with that last sentence please. The Dutch one "caught"?

[SpyreX]

The ohh shucks isn't a huge deal by itself.

Followed up with the "It is YOU, good sir" on PF is a dealbreaker.

[DrippingGoofball]

seems harsh

IIoA detected.

[Kmd4390]

Gorrad

- 8 - iamausername, Cyberbob, DrippingGoofball, SpyreX, Antihero, inHimshallibe, yabbaguy, nocase

werewolf555

- 6 - Chevre,

farside22

, RedCoyote, Dutch one, Korlash, curiouskarmadog

Chevre

- 2 - Seraphim,

Xalxe

nocase

- 2 -

Gorrad, werewolf555

DrippingGoofball

- 1 - Kmd4390

RedCoyote

- 1 - Weatherman

Players not voting:

PokerFace, curiouskarmadog

[iamausername, Cyberbob, DrippingGoofball, SpyreX, Antihero, inHimshallibe, yabbaguy, nocase] contains 8 living players and a scum gold mine
[Chevre, RedCoyote, Dutch one, Korlash, curiouskarmadog] probably has a scum or two in it too.

This is weird knowing Day 2 that we had competing wagons on town.

Vote DGB

to continue where I left off Day 1.

Also, I think the Gorrad wagon is the best place to look.

[Kmd4390]

Also

Dutch one - 5 - curiouskarmadog, PokerFace, SpyreX, yabbaguy, RedCoyote

This wagon sucks.

[Kmd4390]

I wouldn't mind lynching Spy at all.

Actually

Unvote, Vote Spy

[Korlash]

super sincere and noob are both descriptors. I'm not "excusing" him, I'm stating he sounded super sincere D1, and acted like a noob. noobness is independent of sincerety, but a trait how to categorize his behaviour (meta climate matters a huge amount so i don't care about 5 games on some other site).

sorry but he outright said he wasn't a noob if I remember correctly so you can't categorize his behavior as such.

I used a lot of terms like "possible scum" etc.. I was just used to the fact that in the beginning of the game, everyone is a lot more careful.

Yet you still used it to define or at least defend your vote on Gorrad. seems odd to use it to back up a vote but also say it was in some way purposefully structured in a way other then intended.

Also, I think the Gorrad wagon is the best place to look.

Personally I think Werewolf would be a better place to start. The Gorrad wagon almost definitely has scum on it but I would be willing to bet the werewolf one had more, or at least a higher percentage. Then again I'm wrong half the time and incorrect the other third.

[Kmd4390]

Personally I think Werewolf would be a better place to start. The Gorrad wagon almost definitely has scum on it but I would be willing to bet the werewolf one had more, or at least a higher percentage. Then again I'm wrong half the time and incorrect the other third.

You were on the Werewolf wagon. Taking that into consideration, why do you think a higher percentage of scum were on that wagon than the Gorrad one, which went to a lynch?

[yabbaguy]

I'll revisit- but at the moment, I'm of the belief that the lazy belief is actually the other way around from what it seems people are thinking- the belief that the Dutch one's wagon sucks just as much as werewolf's for all the same reasons. To me, it is a sign that people have their head in the past result of werewolf actually in fact being noobTown and equating it to Dutch being noobTown.

More developing thoughts on Dutch's scum likelihood later.

[Korlash]

You were on the Werewolf wagon. Taking that into consideration, why do you think a higher percentage of scum were on that wagon than the Gorrad one, which went to a lynch?

I know, did you have a point or just pointing out facts>?

As for why, it's hard to explain. but it has to do with how a lot of people were acting yesterday. Why do you think the Gorrad lynch had more?

[Kmd4390]

Yabba, I said Dutch was obvtown yesterday.

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Korlash, I believe that a Day 1 mislynch almost always contains multiple scums. Also, Gorrad was obvtown. Werewolf, not so much.