Oldy Mafia (Game Over, who won?)

[MrBuddyLee]

I don't think CDB and Prozac go together.

Why not?

[Patrick]

Votecount

ChannelDelibird (2) -- Cogito Ergo Sum, Zorblag
Porochaz (1) -- ChannelDelibird

Not voting: Porochaz, Ether, MrBuddyLee, Lord Gurgi
7 alive, 4 to lynch.

Deadline hits 10 pm GMT on the 28th.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

I'm not voting CDB

Boo.

[Ether]

Hey, Porochaz. Let's talk here now.

[Porochaz]

I can't but ask me what you want and I'll get back to you later on tonight/tomorrow morning depending on what drunkenness level you want.

[Ether]

What do you think about CDB?

What do you think about Gurgi?

You do realize that this notion that I'm scum is absolute bullshit, right?

[MrBuddyLee]

You do realize that this notion that I'm scum is absolute bullshit, right?

Why are you choosing not to answer my two questions?

[Ether]

Huh?

[Ether]

You said CES hadn't claimed. I thought I might have recalled a claim and checked, and actually, he's claimed.

What made you so confident that Gurgi was roled?

If you'll look carefully, MBL, you answered your own first question. Excellent work.

Let me answer your other question with one of my own. (Though really, to be fair, it's multiple questions in one. I think you've "chosen not to answer" a lot more of my questions than I have yours, and given a hell of a lot fewer reasons as to

why

.)

You've made sure it's impossible to get anything useful out of you.

Also, this is horseshit. You're a propagandist.

Okay. What's your impression of the exchange on page 102, then?

[MrBuddyLee]

So what you're saying is that you were confident CES had a role, even though he had posted that he was vanilla. So you killed off Shanba. Correct?

I'm not going to answer any further questions from you unless you pledge to answer my questions in return. (1) Go into detail on why you were confident CES had a role. (2) Explain your case on me. Pledge to answer both of those and I'll take a look at the scintillating debate on p.102.

[Pathetric]

I think your nonreaction is all the answer I need.

[Ether]

I think your nonreaction is all the answer I need.

[MrBuddyLee]

vote: Ether

[Ether]

See? He's scum.

[MrBuddyLee]

unvote

[MrBuddyLee]

Make your case.

[Ether]

I suppose I'll have no choice soon. No one's gonna get a clue without my help.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Can you 2 kids stop mucking about and lynch Channel?

[Zorblag]

@Ether and MrBuddyLee, we really do get it. You both think that the other one isn't being willing to cooperate with your scum hunting efforts. In some ways I think that you're both right but I also think that you've each got a pretty good chance of being town. The one big benefit this flare up happening now might have is simply increasing my chances of getting killed tonight (which is useful on the grounds that I've got a great record in games where I've been killed during the night as town) simply because you're apparently doing your best to make sure that there are better reasons to leave everyone else alive than there are to leave me alive.

On the other hand, the fact that the game's not over yet means that ChannelDelibird pretty much has to be scum at this point. Unless you think that there's going to be some other lynch today I'm not certain what the benefits of not getting it done now are. Any other conversations can happen tomorrow (or won't be relevant depending on what happens with the night kill.)

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[MrBuddyLee]

Is this what you're talking about on page 102?

Link me to your last scum game and your last two town games? Let's try to be

rational

about this, MBL.

So what is the deal with you and town reads? What do you think of Gurgi?

(Because I told you where to find my most recent games, and I answered you about Gurgi, so that can't be it. If it is, clarify your further questions.)

or is it this:

Here's a secret, MBL. I'm voting you. You're free to think what you want about my alignment (as if you're actually thinking), but if I gave a shit, I'd stop beating around the bush and just reiterate why I'm town. I don't care that you're asking me now; I want to know why you didn't do it weeks ago.

(You're asking why I didn't delve into your self-meta weeks earlier when you posted it? Because the world doesn't revolve around you, and your meta was largely useless, because it was primarily about posting quantity. You claimed to be town because you rambled about game-irrelevant crap for much of D2? If you were scum you wouldn't have rambled? I actually wasted a fraction of my life reading some of your previous games, and I didn't really see it. You posted less irrelevant crap in those games, and were more to the point with your accusations and cases. As scum AND as town. As far as I'm concerned, you're totally off meta in this game and I'd like to know why. If you clarify your meta, I can give you a more detailed answer on this question.)
or

I hope you're scum.

Could you articulate why? You keep calling my reads off the rail, but the only one you seem to actually dispute at all is your own. You've never stated

why

, exactly, you think it's unreasonable to draw the conclusions I did.

0) I hope you're scum because that would mean you've played well and fooled just about everyone. If you're town, my personal opinion, which means squat, is that you didn't contribute much and in fact were distractive from town's goals.
1) Pretty much everyone in this game has at one point or another realized I'm obvious or near-obvious town. Including some of the scum, who've found it expedient to treat me with kid gloves. CES, Poro, Gurgi, Glork, CDB, CTD, Huck, Shanba, Ythill. Probably others. Glork backed off me because he realized it was suicide to fight that wave any longer than he did.
2) Your "read" of Glork was obtuse. There's no other way to describe it. Either you're scum, or you abandoned rationality and reasonable doubt to stick to a terrible read for weeks, without particularly pursuing further information to question/clarify your beliefs.
3) You came into this game and stated you had a suppressed desire to lynch me based on factors outside this game.
4) You've never posted a case on me, or anything resembling a case, yet you've voted me above your top two suspects.
5) You don't seem to have read relevant parts of the game at all. You certainly haven't commented on them. You haven't made a SINGLE remark about my interactions with Glork and how they do/don't make me more likely or less likely to be scum. It's stunning, frankly.

So what I'm interested in knowing is why your "read" is so drastically different from people who have played the entire game. I want to know WHY you think I'm scum. That's how the game is played. You post WHY you think I'm scum, and we assess. You post WHY you thought CES was roled, and we assess. You have been slippery as an eel this game, and despite a few minor town tells from you (Shanba, for example), you really, really smell like scum.

Your turn.

[MrBuddyLee]

@Zorblag, with the current votes, all we really know is that the following scumteams are unlikely:

* Gurgi, MBL, CES
* Gurgi, MBL, Zorblag
* Gurgi, MBL, Ether
* Ether, MBL, CES
* Ether, MBL, Zorblag
* Gurgi, Ether, CES
* Gurgi, Ether, Zorblag

and to a lesser extent we've eliminated: (tougher to get 3 scum coordinated to quicklynch?)
* Ether, MBL, Porochaz
* Gurgi, MBL, Porochaz
* Gurgi, Ether, Porochaz

CDB, xxx, yyy could obviously still be the scumteam.
Zorblag, CES, Porochaz (all voting or being voted) could still be the scumteam.

Other possibilities:

Zorblag, CES, Ether
Zorblag, CES, Gurgi
Gurgi, CES, Ether
Gurgi, CES, Porochaz
Gurgi, Zorblag, Porochaz
CES, Ether, Porochaz
Ether, Zorblag, Porochaz

MBL, CES, Zorblag

MBL, CES, Porochaz

[Zorblag]

@MrBuddyLee, I've got better information than that just because I know that I'm town. We've had enough activity today that I'm pretty comfortable saying that ChannelDelibird shouldn't be scum. Clearly if you're concerned that I'm scum that shouldn't convince you on it's own, but I don't think that it's the primary argument that's being made.

I'm actually not sure how you're coming up with the placement of several of those groupings though. Why do any of the groups including two or more of Ether, Lord Gurgi, Porochaz or yourself show up as likely at this point? Any scum team with two or more of them which didn't include ChannelDelibird should have been able to get their act together for a win.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Zorblag]

@MrBuddyLee, also, your to a lesser extent eliminated should really be to a greater extent eliminated. The scum groups you're listing there would have had an even easier chance to hammer once my vote was cast. If the remaining scum include none of ChannelDelibird, Cogito Ergo Sum or myself (a trait which all of those share) then we're dealing with a scum team that is almost unbelievably poor at coordinating a hammer.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[MrBuddyLee]

We've had enough activity today that I'm pretty comfortable saying that ChannelDelibird shouldn't be scum.

?

[Zorblag]

@MrBuddyLee, clearly that should be I'm comfortable saying that ChannelDelibird shouldn't be town or that he should be scum. It was probably shouldn't be town based on how I typically think about things.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh