theplague42 wrote:Vote: Hiraki
IC surviving night 1? Very unlikely. In the newbie games I've played, town-ICs were always killed night 1.
Not liking DBK's post either. Seems like he's trying to get his views in early and influence other's thoughts, similar to what brundi claimed earlier (seeing as Hiraki is convinced he's town).
Be back later today.
CONGRATULATIONSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS YOU MISSED THE OBVIOUS TOWNIES IN THE AT AND T INSTANT FAIL GAME HOW ARE YOU FEELING TONIGHT SIR?
Why Hiraki is town:
1. Quil was much more obv town, much more useful than Hiraki was, and is.
2. Bussing D1 when chances are there's a PR around is setting yourself up for a loss.
3. Jack's vote was an attempt to redirct the wagon to Hiraki.
Why Bo is town:
D1 vote record: Jack Forman, Jack Forman, Jack Forman
Small anaylsis given: Everyone, ends up voting Jack Forman
See two on Hiraki
Luckily for you, silly man, you're likely town too!
plague wrote:As for Jack/brundi, I'm perfectly willing to fill up this wagon and get some reactions. In light of that, I'm going to Vote: Jack Forman and put him back to L-1. I'd like a claim.
You could have easily lead a counter wagon on brundi if you were scum.
Jack Forman to plague wrote:
We are still in the RVS for the most part and Brundibar is most likely trying to get people to talk just like everyone else is doing. So you have very little evidence to vote Brundibar, but you vote him anyways. Why is it wrong for him to do it but it is ok for you to vote that way? You said you have use this before as scum, so since you are doing it again does this mean you are scum again?
Any questions on why any of you three are town now?
OK now let's look who's left...
Shift
Martini
Brundibar
[Moonstruck]
Well what do you know, three nulls and three mislynches. Now that's what I'm talking about!
Anyway, here's my proposal:
1. Lynch Brundibar/Martini
2. Lynch the other if not Game Over
3. Reevaluate everyone if not Game Over
I've already stated what I think about Brundi, and martini has been cruising the whole game and his votes have been of no help whatsoever.
Moon gets honorary townie of the day for:
[Moonstruck] wrote:Jack Forman wrote:Quilford- You voted me in #59 about my vote being the third on the wagon and that being scummy-
Wiki wrote:Examples of scumtells are numerous. One of the earliest examples is the "third vote" scumtell, which stated that the third vote on the band wagon was very likely to be scum. Scumtells can be simple like that one, or complicated, such as the Deliberately weak argument developed by Seol. In this scum tell, the player A will put out a deliberately bad argument in the midst of several good ones. Check out Heroes smalltown where thestatusquo uses DWA on Zoneace. Notice that the second argument is deliberately bad, and screams for it to be attacked. The basis of DWA is that scum and town players have different motivations when arguing. A town player is going to be actively trying to find scum and determine who is town, while a scum player is looking to score points, or win arguments. This leads to different arguing styles.
Unfortunately, this scumtell is risky because sometimes town players can argue in the second style too, if they're not great at their jobs.
Notice in the example given zoneace was not scum, though he did fall for the DWA. JEEP's Common Tells are legendary, but have become almost completely obsolete, after he published them, based on the reasoning above about scum disincentive to commit known scumtells.
If you actually read the paragraph, it stops talking about third votes after the second sentence, it says the Deliberately Weak Argument scumtell is risky, not the third vote scumtell.
Vote: Brundibar
Martini+brundi are the options for my vote today. Only two switches, sorry.
martini - 3 - Hiraki, theplague42, Shift
I think the fact that only Jack voted martini makes martini less likely to be Mafia, much like how Hiraki's vote against Jack being first makes him more likely to be Townie.
