NY129-Mafia on Werewolf Island! (Game Over)

[Lucresia]

/prod received, sorry for the lack of posts. I have read through and caught up on the game and I like recamonic's response to the accusations. After the jindori/rayfrost posts I really was leaning towards RF being scum but I think his responses were sufficient and I tend to believe the PGO claim at this time. UNVOTE:

Thoughts on Kise....

A) He addresses the "MAFIA PEOPLE"
B) He says "DON'T ROLEBLOCK ME"
C) He says "I'M GOING IN TONIGHT"
D) He says "WE'LL SEE WHOS GOTA GUN"

I don't know if I can even take Kise's post seriously to begin with. I mean he already made a fake daykill so he's not above trying to lie or confuse people about what role he has. Then again the question is if he is trying to lie in any way about his role, town don't need to try to lie. It seems scummy to me. I do not know Kise's normal play though and from some reactions this seems almost like normal behavior for him.

I would like to hear Kise address the points Pine had because if Kise is serious, then he really has some explaining to do with his post. Here was Pine's statements which have compelled me to get a bit more information from Kise:

Alternatively, scum-Kise could just do nothing and claim on D2 to have visited him, causing us to lynch Reck on D2. If Reck is PGO and Kise Town, we lose a Town PR. If Reck is scum and Kise is Town, he just outed himself needlessly, and will get NKed by scum to support Reck's story. THERE IS NO REASON FOR KISE TO DO THAT UNLESS HE IS SCUM.

What say you, Kise?

[implosion]

Nobody Special's last post gives

no reasoning

as to why Kise is scum. To paraphrase all four of his points: either Kise is town or Kise is scum. Even more than that, it's mudslinging - he repeatedly implies that Kise is "lying scum" when, in fact, he has given no reason why his other stated choices should be incorrect. NS, please give reasoning as to why Kise is more likely to be antitown than protown. If you can't provide reasoning, then you (if town) have no reason to be voting for him. Also, address the points I raised in my last post - either you missed it or ignored it apparently.

[Eldritch Lord]

gorilla - 2 (tclawren, Eldritch Lord)

He's being voted by two majorly scummy players.

You still haven't posted any justification for why you think I'm scummy, aside from the fact that I "replaced into a scummy slot".

[Eldritch Lord]

After the read (mostly Gorilla's 845 and 848), I like Gorilla a lot more. I don't like C-Worl as scum upon reinvestigation -- he seems like town just trying too desperately to stay alive. He reminds me of my first forum game as town, almost.

Unvote

Snake is posting horribly and doesn't seem town, but jindori was so willing to vote him which makes me hesitate.

This alone is enough for me to be uncomfortable lynching Snake. He does seem anti-town, and its possible he simply wasn't part of jindori's faction though, so:

Vote: SnakePlissken

I'd like to get more content out before the deadline, though. Everyone here has made scummy posts, myself included in retrospect, which makes this a really difficult situation to judge. I'd like to hear more out of Snake for now, though.

Also

FoS: tClawren

for basically his last ten posts. Detailed read on him incoming.

[DemonHybrid]

Just so everyone knows:

Due to stress and an important interview tomorrow, I have announced V/LA until Sunday. However, if/when I can, I will continue to update with votecounts. If worse comes to worse, AGar will step in, but I should be okay to mod until I'm back fully.

That's all; continue.

Edit: Thanks for the GL wishes.

[DemonHybrid]

VOTE COUNT

Day 1 Vote Count (#34)

SnakePlissken - 7 (implosion, RaudhrGarm, Kise, T-Bone, gorilla, MrZepher, Eldritch Lord)
tclawren - 3 (Lowell, Pine, C-Worl)
Reckamonic - 2 (Nero Cain, SnakePlissken)
Nobody Special - 2 (ConSpiracy, Reckamonic)
gorilla - 1 (tclawren)
Kise - 1 (Nobody Special)

Not voting - 7 (Charlie, Nachomamma8, Chronopie, Shift, Seraphim, Powerrox93, Lucresia)

MrZepher is V/LA on the weekends (Saturday and Sunday).
Powerrox93 will be V/LA until April 9th.
Shift is V/LA until Saturday, April 9th.
Nachomamma8 requested V/LA until Saturday, April 9th.

Please let me know if the votecount is wrong.

The deadline for Day 1 is April 24th, 3:00 PM EDT. With 23 alive, it takes 12 to lynch and 12 to No Lynch.

[Pine]

Good luck, DH.

Probably just a typo, but I'd like EL to address this contradiction:

Snake is posting horribly and doesn't seem town, but jindori was so willing to vote him which makes me hesitate.

This alone is enough for me to be

uncomfortable lynching Snake

. He does seem anti-town, and its possible he simply wasn't part of jindori's faction though, so:
Vote: SnakePlissken

Emphasis is mine.

[Chronopie]

/prodded. I've got a couple of assignments hanging over my head atm, so I haven't been as active as I should have been.

and GL with your Interview DH.

--

A few quick points:
This is multiball. So if someone seems anti-town, yet are willingly voted by known anti-town, they might just be anti-town from another faction.

implosion summed up the NS post pretty well. NS is saying he's town or scum. No real reasoning given for either viewpoint over the other. Also NS missed a possible Point:

(Town Vig, 3rd party Serial Killer, or, you know it by now, Lying Mafia,

or Gambiting townie

)

What's more, the slant of NS's post "lying

mafia

" = Wolfslip?

- I don't believe Kise is scum. Gambitting maybe, but not scum.
- I'm choosing to believe Reck/Dram IS a PGO, and thus town. After all, we have 2 anti-town teams + possible SK. a PGO could be an important balancing factor.
- NS's biased post seems like it comes from an anti-town perspective.

VOTE: NS

[Kise]

like i said, lucresia is scum... bbl when im off work

[Eldritch Lord]

Good luck, DH.

Probably just a typo, but I'd like EL to address this contradiction:

Snake is posting horribly and doesn't seem town, but jindori was so willing to vote him which makes me hesitate.

This alone is enough for me to be

uncomfortable lynching Snake

. He does seem anti-town, and its possible he simply wasn't part of jindori's faction though, so:
Vote: SnakePlissken

Emphasis is mine.

No it's not a typo, its a contradiction. Thanks for giving me an avenue to slip through if I were scum though. It's me publicizing my thought process as to how I feel about lynching Snake. I'm really not sure about it still, but I think the added weight my vote gives Snake might be enough to get him to talk.

[C-Worl]

So you're voting for Snake to try and force a claim?

[Nero Cain]

NO!!!!!

My God Cam

YOU'RE SO STUPID

!!!!!

He's voting Snake just 'cause everyone else is.

[C-Worl]

NO!!!!!

My God Cam

YOU'RE SO STUPID

!!!!!

He's voting Snake just 'cause everyone else is.

You do know I assumed that. I just wanted to see what his answer to my question would be. I would still like to know.

EL, if you are town, then are you voting Snake because you want to force a claim?

[gorilla]

He wants snake to talk, not claim. He never used the word "claim", and thinking that makes no sense when Snake is at L-5. Snake's been varyingly useless/scummy, and he's saying by voting him he's hoping to put pressure on him to post content or else get lynched.

Anyway, to comment on the people voting me, tcl is scummy imo and i'm not sure about EL, but they at least are trying to provide reasons even if i (obviously) disagree with them and think their reasons are bad. Honestly, I'd suspect EL more if he weren't questioning me because of meta etc.

[SnakePlissken]

I've gotta

V/LA

until Monday again people.

[C-Worl]

Unvote; Vote: Snakeplisken

[Kise]

Alternatively, scum-Kise could just do nothing and claim on D2 to have visited him, causing us to lynch Reck on D2. If Reck is PGO and Kise Town, we lose a Town PR. If Reck is scum and Kise is Town, he just outed himself needlessly, and will get NKed by scum to support Reck's story. THERE IS NO REASON FOR KISE TO DO THAT UNLESS HE IS SCUM.

What say you, Kise?

Can't answer that right now. Just be content that I'm gonna do wtf I want

with my gun

. You all can go by what happens over night. Save the theories for D2.

I noticed a few scums outed themselves here and there. I'm fine with my vote though. It's about time the real scum were put under fire.

[ConSpiracy]

Guys, I like the Snake-wagon, but I prefer lynching confirmed scum over 99% scum, the odds you know. Come to us, I have cookies!

[Charlie]

Guys, I like the Snake-wagon, but I prefer lynching confirmed scum over 99% scum, the odds you know. Come to us, I have cookies!

You have my attention here.

[RaudhrGarm]

I've gotta

V/LA

until Monday again people.

Just replace out if you're going to be on V/LA the whole game.

[Shift]

Looks like I have a lot to catch up on.

[Reckamonic]

C-Worl isn't reading the thread completely.
Scumtell.

[RaudhrGarm]

I hate when people pick out little things and call them scumtells.

[tclawren]

OK, just rereading a little bit and I have a quick question.

@NS: Why would you want to kill a town aligned vig? You have not answered this question.

You're either town-aligned Vig or 3rd party SK. Guess what? I don't feel comfortable leaving either alive.

Vote: Kise

[C-Worl]

C-Worl isn't reading the thread completely.
Scumtell.

What makes you say that?