Mini 1150 - There Goes the Neighborhood - Game Over

[Powerrox93]

To people with him as a QT partner. Did he realise the game was in progress?

With the little posts fuzzy and I made, I would say yes. However, IDK where he's gone now, we haven't heard anything V/LA related.

[Seacore]

@Mod

: We need prods on both Nacho and Fuzzy asap.

[ReaperCharlie]

They have both been prodded.

[Twistedspoon]

hey happy birthday glass

[LimMePls]

Vote Count 1.5

Jedo the Jedi (2)

- Quaroath, Doombunny9

Packbat (0)

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kryptinen (4)

- Seacore, AurorusVox, Jedo the Jedi, Glass

Quaroath (0)

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Doombunny9 (1)

- Nobody Special

fuzzylightning (0)

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Powerrox93 (0)

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Seacore (0)

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Glass (0)

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Nachomamma8 (0)

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Twistedspoon (0)

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AurorusVox (0)

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Nobody Special (4)

- Packbat, Twistedspoon, kryptinen, Powerrox93

No Lynch (0)

-

Not Voting (2)

- fuzzylightning, Nachomamma8

13 votes available, 7 votes needed for an arrest

Deadline is Apr 26, ~10 am EST

1) I'm back from V/LA.

2) Thanks for handling the VC and prods RC!!! Much love!

[ReaperCharlie]

You know it baby. <3

[Packbat]

Deadline is Apr 26, ~10 am EST

Is that EST or EDT?

[LimMePls]

Deadline is Apr 26, ~10 am EST

Is that EST or EDT?

Whichever one we're under right now. EDT I guess? I always forget.

[Glass]

V/LA until Thursday due to many upcoming tests.

[Doombunny9]

To people with him as a QT partner. Did he realise the game was in progress?

All he did in my QT was ask how I was doing so I can't really answer that.

I put my vote down randomly

Can you expand on this? Moving from wagon to wagon isn't really random. Also, for further clarification, who do you find more scummy, twisted or Krypt? Finally, is your vote on Krypt more because you think he's scummy or because everyone else is wagoning?

Seriously look at Krypt in post #113. And then follow Glass's example.

I don't see anything too bad. Care to point it out for me?

my habit is to acknowledge and expand upon others' reasoning when I find that reasoning compelling enough to vote upon.

From looking at you in iso, I'm going to have to call bull.

[Seacore]

Seriously look at Krypt in post #113. And then follow Glass's example.

I don't see anything too bad. Care to point it out for me?

This

Instead of looking for 'scum points' and by that I mean "that guy's said something that is less than 100% perfect strategy in my eyes" look at it in reverse, what possible reason would scum have to scream "I'm getting on this wagon for the sake of it being a wagon" and "Now I'm not leaving the wagon because i don't want the wagon to unravel"

1) Maybe he's scum and playing like a dumb townie to take heat off himself.
2) Maybe he's scum and wants to create chaos and WIFOMF.
3) Maybe you both are scum and you decided this strategy beforehand.
4) Maybe he's scum who didn't think it that far and it was a genuine slip.
5) Maybe he's town and doing exactly what he's saying he does.

Some of those are more likely than the others, but we can't reject any of them.

Translation: Hey, here's a bunch of sneaky rhetoric about different ways he can be scum, and while I'm at it, I'll throw some suspicion on you too, Seacore. But I realise that all this is baseless so I'll throw it all away with my final line. There, now I've muddied up the waters enough you can all continue to be suspicious of Jedo.

I can't think of any town motivation for that puddle of waffle

[Doombunny9]

Translation: Hey, here's a bunch of sneaky rhetoric about different ways he can be scum, and while I'm at it, I'll throw some suspicion on you too, Seacore. But I realise that all this is baseless so I'll throw it all away with my final line. There, now I've muddied up the waters enough you can all continue to be suspicious of Jedo.

What I think Krypt was getting at was that Jedo could have blatantly just wagoned for plenty of reasons and that scum can do it too.

[Nachomamma8]

Okay, been lurking, done with that.
It's the old me.

Hey Mr. Survivor, do you know if you show as town or scum on scans? Because if cop only sees town/no-town, that is either the stupidest or brightest fake claim the scum can think of.

No.

I'm willing to beleive Nacho for now, if only for the reason that I have no reason to suspect him as scum at this point. Could he be scum? Yes, but until I have enough to go on to support a nacho lynch, I won't support it. The only issue with the claim is that in an endgame situation, he may choose to vote with the scum in order to save himself and win but if that's the case, we can easily vig him.

If a vig is around at endgame. Also, your reasoning for lynching me kind of seems like an obvious way to treat everyone, regardless of claim. Am I wrong in interpreting it this way?

Nacho's claiming this early on? Since this games hasn't truly started yet, I'll believe the claim. But if he starts playing scummy, then the claim is not an pass for him being scummy.

@Everyone:

I'm V/LA April 8-9

Since when is a survivor claim a pass?

Also, I'm all for a scumcore lynch.

Why weren't you voting Seacore at this point if you read him to be scum?

I don't like Jedo's little rant. It's a preemptive defense against being called scummy, even though part of the reason the bandwagoning strategy wagon works is because you have the chance to be called scummy.

Doom's post #70 is testing the krypt bandwagon without jumping on it.

NS: "Tell me why you don't like the RVS but participated anyways!" ~ Terrible question. Terrible L-1 vote. Also, the "slowly" bit is condescending and makes you sound like you're inferring krypt is flailing. So, why put more pressure on someone who's not handling the pressure they've got?

@ Spoon: This is exactly the kind of thing I'm talking about. It's a legitimate philosophy because people like you chime in and totally misconstrue the purpose. It's the reactions of course. I didn't say I would ride this to a lynch, but if I do and she turns out scummy, I can look straight at you for the next suspect. Those type of strong reactions really come in handy later.

And if you ride it to a lynch and she comes up town, I'm assuming you're absolved of all guilt because you're just following your philosophy? Who would you look to as your next suspect there?

Okay, been lurking, done with that.
It's the old me.

Hey Mr. Survivor, do you know if you show as town or scum on scans? Because if cop only sees town/no-town, that is either the stupidest or brightest fake claim the scum can think of.

No.

I'm willing to beleive Nacho for now, if only for the reason that I have no reason to suspect him as scum at this point. Could he be scum? Yes, but until I have enough to go on to support a nacho lynch, I won't support it. The only issue with the claim is that in an endgame situation, he may choose to vote with the scum in order to save himself and win but if that's the case, we can easily vig him.

If a vig is around at endgame. Also, your reasoning for lynching me kind of seems like an obvious way to treat everyone, regardless of claim. Am I wrong in interpreting it this way?

Nacho's claiming this early on? Since this games hasn't truly started yet, I'll believe the claim. But if he starts playing scummy, then the claim is not an pass for him being scummy.

@Everyone:

I'm V/LA April 8-9

Since when is a survivor claim a pass?

Also, I'm all for a scumcore lynch.

Why weren't you voting Seacore at this point if you read him to be scum?

I don't like Jedo's little rant. It's a preemptive defense against being called scummy, even though part of the reason the bandwagoning strategy wagon works is because you have the chance to be called scummy.

Doom's post #70 is testing the krypt bandwagon without jumping on it.

NS: "Tell me why you don't like the RVS but participated anyways!" ~ Terrible question. Terrible L-1 vote. Also, the "slowly" bit is condescending and makes you sound like you're inferring krypt is flailing. So, why put more pressure on someone who's not handling the pressure they've got?

@ Spoon: This is exactly the kind of thing I'm talking about. It's a legitimate philosophy because people like you chime in and totally misconstrue the purpose. It's the reactions of course. I didn't say I would ride this to a lynch, but if I do and she turns out scummy, I can look straight at you for the next suspect. Those type of strong reactions really come in handy later.

And if you ride it to a lynch and she comes up town, I'm assuming you're absolved of all guilt because you're just following your philosophy? Who would you look to as your next suspect there?

I have no reason to not be voting someone at this point and since Krypt is at L-1, I'm going to have to go with my #2 suspect. Its rather early for someone to be put at L-1 methinks and NS hasn't really added anything new to the discussion, rather just a rehash of what everyone else has been saying.

Why NS over Jedo? Jedo had contributed nothing at this point aswell.

Thanks for for avoiding every question directed towards you, Krypt.

Why do you suggest that Krypt's avoiding your question as opposed to simply missing it?

Thirdly, Krypt, stop avoiding questions.

Oh god, not you too...

Packbat's big post is :goodposting:.

Happy birthday Glass!
Goodstuff coming up.

[Seacore]

I get that. but do you know how you can say that? The exact way you did.

You can also say "I don't think it's worth discussing Jedo's motivations, he could have done it for scummy or town reasons.

But instead she listed 5 options, 4 of which list him as scum, 1 of which throws me in the deep end with him. And on top of that she then undoes it all and basically says but they aren't all equal.
It just radiates scum to me.

And then there's the actual potential motivations she's listed
1) trying to take the heat off himself - what heat? he wasn't under much heat when he made the comment
2) he wants to create chaos and WIFOM - how is what he's doing creating chaos and WIFOM, there's little chaos, it's more like a spotlight on krypt, that's the opposite of chaos. and WIFOM only works if Krypt is his buddy. Is that what Krypt is admitting to here?
3) Thought up what strategy before hand? That he'd openly declare that he's bandwagoning for the sake of it? Or the strategy that I'd vote for somebody for doing something scummy? Brilliant strategy that.
4) What slip?
5) Yeah, of course he's maybe telling the truth.

It's all crap. It would be information over analysis if there was actually any information there, but it's just waffle that puts in place some rhetoric that Jedo is probably scum and I may be scum with him.

[Seacore]

EBWOP I was ninja'd by Nacho's post, so my #138 is in response to Doom.

Also, Nacho, did you mean to type most of that twice? Or is somebody ctrl-v -ing a little incompetently? ;P

[Nachomamma8]

@Nacho: as town survivor, what is you view on these 3 wagons?

tl;dr
krypt - town
NS - scum
Jedo - scum

Kryptinen is town, and Seacore needs to take off his tunneling glasses.

Hey Mr. Survivor, do you know if you show as town or scum on scans? Because if cop only sees town/no-town, that is either the stupidest or brightest fake claim the scum can think of.

As an IC in Newbie Games for over a year, I think I'm pretty damn qualified to say that one of the towniest things that newbies can do is think from a scum's perspective and go: does this make sense as scum? Here, krypt gauges my claim by how useful it is to the scum. That's a :goodpost: right there.

I don't like RVS, so I tend to unvote as soon as possible. It's just how I roll. Questions are so that we get discussion to start, these were mostly a to see how Seacore would answer. And see, discussion that is not so random anymore has formed, and Seacore has answered. That's a success in my book.

I think that in RVS the first vote is just just random, second starts the wagon and the third makes it an official in my eyes. Nothing else behind it. It's different when people have real reasons for voting.

And really, everyone, it clearly says "female" below my avatar. I know Kyle Hyde is male, but I'm not.

Explanation seems remarkably good for one that's supposedly made up on the spot. Especially since she unvoted the moment a wagon got three votes and began questioning. I can be a tinfoil guy at times, but I seriously doubt she made this one up.

I also like the way she treats questioning. Newbiescum don't really find they can "pressure people" that much, but newbietown usually feel their votes and questioning have all the power in the world.

I think scum would have been more defensive, or attacked me right from the beginning. Anything to get the discussion away from himself. But like I said, he's taking this discussion to a direction that has him in a spotlight: something I don't find scummy at all.

^that little quote and her vote on NS seriously suggest the second.

1) Maybe he's scum and playing like a dumb townie to take heat off himself.
2) Maybe he's scum and wants to create chaos and WIFOMF.
3) Maybe you both are scum and you decided this strategy beforehand.
4) Maybe he's scum who didn't think it that far and it was a genuine slip.
5) Maybe he's town and doing exactly what he's saying he does.

You asked for reasons scum would say that, she gave you reasons scum would say that. They're all possibilities, aren't they? Again, doubting scum would plan that far ahead (hmmm, this response will throw doubt on Seacore, this one will make him look scummier...).

A claimed survivor has better contribute something or get lynched as totally useless and as a hindrance in Lylo.

The attacks on me are also good. They're more urges to post something or get lynched rather than direct attacks, which SCREAM town. Scum under this much pressure could push me as scum now to relieve pressure, or they could save me for later when my lynch will do the most damage.
krypt's done neither of these things.

My computer is seriously fucking up right now, so I'm posting this now.

[Nachomamma8]

Okay, firstly, IT IS NOT MY JOB TO WARN EVERYONE when a vote is at L-1. Pay attention, do something for yourselves for once.

L-1.
GODDAMN THAT WAS A DIFFICULT TASK I'M CRYING FROM MERELY ATTEMPTING TO PREVENT A QUICKHAMMER 5 MINUTES INTO THE GAME AAAARGH.

Early RVS votehopping, whatever, sweet. But you're out of the RVS when you put someone to L-1, and that weak little bit of reasoning made you seem like you were just adding on pressure, and is a nice way to bait for a quickhammer.

Finally, I don't like that you're rereading and promising more substance SINCE I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY.

[Packbat]

You know, Seacore, I think you've convinced me.

UNVOTE: Nobody Special

VOTE: Jedo the Jedi

My top three, in order of approximately descending probability: Jedo the Jedi, Seacore, and Nobody Special. I'll write up the details all formal-like tomorrow, but in sum: Seacore's defense of Jedo is scummier than the swimming pool of a foreclosed house in Florida; SC+JJ explains why SC attacked kryptinen's scrutiny of his wagon, being as that wagon was half scum; JJ's vote on kryptinen is still the suckiest thing to suck since the invention of cryopumps; and Seacore's self-vote is stupid.

I like Nachomamma's posting, and having read his analysis I feel more comfortable with my gut townread on kryptinen.

[Nachomamma8]

And finally, the scum I'm good with lynching. Jedo the Jedi!

The bandwagoning strategy is not scummy. He's prescribing to the opposite strategy most people take in RVS, whatever, that's okay.
But preemptively defending himself?

[rant]If you want to vote me for doing this, fine, but don't type some bullshit about it being a scum tell. Bandwagoning day 1 is a legitimate philosophy, and I won't have you calling me scummy just because you disagree.[/rant]

Now, THIS is scummy. It's the RVS, he shouldn't give a care in the world who finds him scummy and who doesn't. It's just part of RVS. There's also the tiny little fact that you don't decide what people find to be scumtells in your posting, that's just plain stupid.

That looks like L-1 from Nobody, so be careful with the hammer.

Be careful with the hammer? Sounds like you don't care whether it's a lynch or not.

Not a good rebuttal. Scum buddies do bus, so there could be scum on your lynch regardless of alignment. I'm satisfied to stay put for now. I haven't seen good reasons to remove my vote as the pressure has mounted.

Don't like this. Earlier, he said he didn't see the scumminess and could see where krypt was coming from, but now he's taking a tiny chunk of her defense and going "Don't like it, not moving".

Sorry about the lack of posting. I don't usually post on weekends, but the last time I announced that I was jumped for giving an excuse to lurk. I can't win in that department.

Preemptive defense for lurking, and then a preemptive defense for a preemptive defense. No, you can't win at all >.>

I believe I should leave it there as long as there is continued vote support before moving on to my next scum candidate, in this case Spoon.

I thought Spoon was your scum candidate if krypt was scum? So, when the vote support disappears, that suggests that she's town, right?

My one remark is that if I saw someone else playing like this, I would think it is so obvscum as to be townie.

This is WIFOM, and this is wrong.
First of all, you're trying to defend YOURSELF with the too scummy to be scum fallacy. Meaning you know what you're doing is at a minimum antitown, but you just hold the idea that it's SO anti-town you should be viewed as townie for it?
You're trying to play the dumb town card, and it's showing.

Vote: Jedo the Jedi

L-3. See how hard that was, Nobody Special?

[Seacore]

God damn it Nacho... why are you so convincing.

Okay, maybe I was tunneling Krypt a little, I'll look at all again tomorrow.

Packbat's case on me is stupid though. RVS means nothing, including self votes. I have not defended Jedo, there are actually some things I find scummy about him, but the bandwagoning (the only thing I've brought up) is not among them. And I attacked krypt's scrutiny of the Seacore-wagon because it was stupid scrutiny that suggested she didn't know I was the second person on the wagon.

[Doombunny9]

If a vig is around at endgame. Also, your reasoning for lynching me kind of seems like an obvious way to treat everyone, regardless of claim. Am I wrong in interpreting it this way?

I was saying that as a survivior, you wouldn't care if town or the scumteam won so near endgame, it would make sense for you to quicklynch with scum in order to survive and win.

Why weren't you voting Seacore at this point if you read him to be scum?

Please take a look at what time period we were in. It was the RVS and I was joking about Sea in order to wagon him to try and get us out of the RVS quicker.

Doom's post #70 is testing the krypt bandwagon without jumping on it.

You would have preferred me putting Krypt at L-1 so early?

Why NS over Jedo? Jedo had contributed nothing at this point aswell.

NS was over Jedo because of my main point for voting him: He put Krypt at L-1 much too early in the game. At the time Jedo didn't confirm yet that he was just bandwagoning just for the hell of it.

Why do you suggest that Krypt's avoiding your question as opposed to simply missing it?

Seeing as how he missed two (That's right. I'm leaving you out again NS ) with one of them (AV) asking his question repetitively, I find it hard that he just missed them.

But instead she listed 5 options, 4 of which list him as scum, 1 of which throws me in the deep end with him. And on top of that she then undoes it all and basically says but they aren't all equal.
It just radiates scum to me.

And then there's the actual potential motivations she's listed
1) trying to take the heat off himself - what heat? he wasn't under much heat when he made the comment
2) he wants to create chaos and WIFOM - how is what he's doing creating chaos and WIFOM, there's little chaos, it's more like a spotlight on krypt, that's the opposite of chaos. and WIFOM only works if Krypt is his buddy. Is that what Krypt is admitting to here?
3) Thought up what strategy before hand? That he'd openly declare that he's bandwagoning for the sake of it? Or the strategy that I'd vote for somebody for doing something scummy? Brilliant strategy that.
4) What slip?
5) Yeah, of course he's maybe telling the truth.

I don't see anything wrong with providing examples and all of these reasons are valid to a point. I'm just going to write it off as a null tell until I have reason otherwise.

Anyway, nacho=pro-town and I'm going to beleive his survivor claim for the time being.

[Powerrox93]

Since when is a survivor claim a pass?

Since never, and if I made it sound as it was once a free pass, that's not wasn't the intention.

In other news, I need time to analyze everything that's going on in the game ATM

[Twistedspoon]

I thought Spoon was your scum candidate if krypt was scum? So, when the vote support disappears, that suggests that she's town, right?

:'(

I'm a he

[AurorusVox]

^TS, nothing else to comment on? :\

Nacho is the towniest of

townies

third-parties right now. I'll have a thorough reread tonight or tomorrow of Jedo/NS/Seacore and see what pings. I'm still not happy with Krypt but it could be tunnelvision or irritation at having to keep repeating my questions to get a straight answer

[LimMePls]

Vote Count 1.6

Jedo the Jedi (4)

- Quaroath, Doombunny9, Packbat, Nachomamma8

Packbat (0)

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kryptinen (4)

- Seacore, AurorusVox, Jedo the Jedi, Glass

Quaroath (0)

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Doombunny9 (1)

- Nobody Special

fuzzylightning (0)

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Powerrox93 (0)

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Seacore (0)

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Glass (0)

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Nachomamma8 (0)

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Twistedspoon (0)

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AurorusVox (0)

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Nobody Special (3)

- Twistedspoon, kryptinen, Powerrox93

No Lynch (0)

-

Not Voting (1)

- fuzzylightning

13 votes available, 7 votes needed for an arrest

Deadline is Apr 26, ~10 am EST

1) No response from fuzzy. Searching for a replacement now.

2) Glass V/LA until Thursday is noted.

3) All other activity is within guidelines. Carry on!