NY129-Mafia on Werewolf Island! (Game Over)

[tclawren]

@Kise: I want a full claim and your actions last night now.

[RaudhrGarm]

So we essentially lost two cops and a doc?

Great. :/

[C-Worl]

What exactly is a Voyeur and a Seer?

[RaudhrGarm]

Seer seems to be a cop, while a Voyeur has the ability to see what was done to a particular useful. Both would have been extremely useful in finding scum.

[Kise]

@Kise: I want a full claim and your actions last night now.

Vote: tclawren

I want you lynched by page 44.

[Kise]

http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Seer

An investigator that finds wolves.

[tclawren]

@Kise: I want a full claim and your actions last night now.

Vote: tclawren

I want you lynched by page 44.

Recap:

You say you are going to visit a claimed PGO and soft claim a killing role in the same post.

Neither you nor claimed PGO are dead.

I want an explanation.

[Pine]

Alternatively, scum-Kise could just do nothing and claim on D2 to have visited him, causing us to lynch Reck on D2. If Reck is PGO and Kise Town, we lose a Town PR. If Reck is scum and Kise is Town, he just outed himself needlessly, and will get NKed by scum to support Reck's story.

THERE IS NO REASON FOR KISE TO DO THAT UNLESS HE IS SCUM.

What say you, Kise?

Can't answer that right now. Just be content that I'm gonna do wtf I want

with my gun

.

You all can go by what happens over night. Save the theories for D2.

I noticed a few scums outed themselves here and there. I'm fine with my vote though. It's about time the real scum were put under fire.

New bolding is mine.

Kise is the lynch here. The fact that he's avoiding talking about his planned night actions against Reckamonic, even with TC's prompting, is damning.

VOTE: Kise

PE: Ninja'd, somewhat.

[RaudhrGarm]

Alright, so VOTE: Kise

This is an interesting lie and rather than try to explain it, he's trying to get another lynch going. The only thing I'll say is that I'm surprised he didn't go after Reck in his first post.

[RaudhrGarm]

Actually a whole tonne of Kise's posts appear contradictory in ISO. First he says that he's alright with Jin if he doesn't have to kill town, and then posts the link condemning Jin when he points out there's no such thing as a pro-town Goon.

[tclawren]

OK, besides Kise I want to shed light on someone else who has been playing suspiciously all game.
VOTE: RaudhrGarm

Basically hasn't helped town at all and has sheeped on every wagon he has ever been on.

Discuss?

[Pine]

Raud is a good candidate for suspicion, I've said so consistently all game.

Kise is a better place for your vote, though. I'll take practically-confirmed scum over probscum.

[tclawren]

I'll wait till a real reply from Kise happens, thank you.

[RaudhrGarm]

Really? I "sheeped" onto wagons? How come I didn't hammer C-Worl then, or move to a larger wagon when Snake seemed weak. Think a bit better about who you're accusing in the future.
As for helping the town, I found that a bit hard to do when most of the discussion had gone on while I slept and I didn't feel too much like getting into the loads of personal arguments that popped up over day 1.
Most of my thoughts on people that posted were said, and I have a feeling that if I had repeated what was said then, you or Pine would now be accusing me of being scum because of that. So a lose-lose for me in that regard.

I'm also curious in whether our lurkers will be a bit more active today.

I also want to see Eldritch explain why he thinks Kise is the most town.

[ConSpiracy]

I actually don't want to lynch Kise.
Why? Because I highly suspect her to be the SK.
(I can't see a vig strangle somebody with NS's pants down)
We lost 3 PR's which is a heavy blow for town. We might have to use the SK in our advantage with this dead PR night.
Scum knows that the SK is only going to hinder them severely and has to choose: Either they trust the SK to kill town (which would be stupid for the SK to do) or they don't take the risk and kill the SK.

I rather want to lynch Pine here. Aside from the scummy things he did day 1, he just starts a very easy non-mafia/werewolfish person-wagon.
VOTE: Pine

[tclawren]

Really? I "sheeped" onto wagons? How come I didn't hammer C-Worl then, or move to a larger wagon when Snake seemed weak. Think a bit better about who you're accusing in the future.
As for helping the town, I found that a bit hard to do when most of the discussion had gone on while I slept and I didn't feel too much like getting into the loads of personal arguments that popped up over day 1.
Most of my thoughts on people that posted were said, and I have a feeling that if I had repeated what was said then, you or Pine would now be accusing me of being scum because of that. So a lose-lose for me in that regard.

First part: You couldn't hammer C-Worl because you anointed him town in your first post (which I suspect was done to appear as townie as possible). It would be silly for anyone to go back on that so soon. Also show me when the Snake wagon looked bad. I'm not seeing it at all. Two pages after you voted it was the leading wagon.

Second part: you haven't really shown any initiative in scumhunting at all, which is just plain odd considering there is scum not on your team. However, your points are interesting, I'll try to keep that in mind going on.

[Reckamonic]

why are C~Worl and Garm alive again?

Vote: Garm

[DemonHybrid]

VOTE COUNT

Day 2 Vote Count (#2)

Kise - 2 (Pine, RaudhrGarm)
RaudhrGarm - 2 (tclawren, Reckamonic)
Pine - 1 (ConSpiracy)
tclawren - 1 (Kise)

Not voting - 13 (Charlie, Lowell, Eldritch Lord, quadz08, gorilla, T-Bone, Nachomamma8, Chronopie, singersigner, implosion, C-Worl, MrZepher, Powerrox93)

T-Bone is V/LA until Monday, April 18th.
MrZepher is V/LA until Monday, April 18th.

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch and 10 to No Lynch. Deadline is May 7th, 2011 at 5:00 PM EDT.

[RaudhrGarm]

C-Worl: I still think that he's town who both scum teams saw as an easy target to get lynched.

If you're looking for a role-claim, you're not going to get it. I'm pro-town, that is all you need to know for now. However, the main reason I didn't do too much scum-hunting was that I had exams the past two weeks and couldn't really devote much time into reading a mess of a day 1. The whole thing is a horrible mess, with my suspicions being that the lurkers have at least one or two scum amongst them. Also one of the reasons I pushed for the Snake lynch towards the end, so that we could just get rid of a ridiculously anti-town player who refused to sub out despite being hugely inactive and so that we could start a new day and see who said what.

I expect that I'll be more active over the next two weeks due to my Easter holidays. If the majority think that I'm not scum-hunting by the end of Day 3, feel free to lynch me.

Any other concerns before I head off to bed?

Pre-edit: I'd forgotten about Reck. Ugh, it'll a pain getting through the day with him. A shame that Kise was probably bluffing about being able to kill. We'd know which was which by now. I think I need to reread some posts to get an idea of who's who. Ugh...William Martin Murphy's still on my mind.

[Kise]

@guy: yeah, I said I wouldn't bother with jin because he claimed that he just needed to kill the eastsiders. I figured if he was absent-minded enough to believe my fake kill, he probably wouldn't lie in the same sentence that he claimed werewolf. It wasn't until AFTER he flipped goon that I realized he was anti-town.......@other guy/guys: why do you feel it's important for me to out my role? If Reckamonic is still alive, that should tell you enough.

[Reckamonic]

Pre-edit: I'd forgotten about Reck. Ugh, it'll a pain getting through the day with him. A shame that Kise was probably bluffing about being able to kill. We'd know which was which by now. I think I need to reread some posts to get an idea of who's who. Ugh...William Martin Murphy's still on my mind.

Yes, it will be a pain to get through the day for you with us here.
Because like hell I'm letting you off. For some inane reason people seem to think there's something protown about C~Worl.

[Lowell]

vote tclaw

. Still. The way no one seems to want to talk about his obvious scumminess only confirms his obvious scumminess. Or something.

[RaudhrGarm]

UNVOTE: Kise

I just played through a scenario in my head that seems likely. Said scenario would result in Kise certainly being pro-town.

[Pine]

Share it with us.

[RaudhrGarm]

Obvious would be that he actually is Vig and was role-blocked by scum because they foresaw it being pushed by some members of the town. Which would mean that they could kill two birds with one stone (free lynch and removal of a serious threat).