NY129-Mafia on Werewolf Island! (Game Over)

[Kise]

Bbl

[Eldritch Lord]

reads & opinions can change, yes, but you still haven't offered any reasons for why your read changed and saying you've wanted him lynched since "the jin affair" completely ignores that you wrote him off as town at one point. to me it really looks like you're squirming right now. you need to justify your reads changing or i'm going to assume you're BSing and get you lynched

I do like Raud for scum, but I like tclawren even more. Opposite scum factions, possibly? That would explain the duality of the response to this "revolutionary" find, even given the timeline confirming that it is, indeed, a slip of some kind or a contradiction.

I am lead to believe this much in the way I am lead to believe mcx is always the godfather.

@EL-Why is that scummy? I think there is a possibility that Kise is town, but I need to be persuaded to that fact. In the meantime, I put my vote on someone who deserves more attention in general this game.

The night targets make me think you're scummy. I do agree with getting Raud to talk, but your reaction to his "slip" seemed kneejerk, as I

highly

doubt you've memorized the timeline of his posts -- and you did go back quite a long time to find the contradictory post, which makes me think that if you had read it in ISO you would have bothered to post the timeline of the contradiction right away rather than leaving room for such easy doubt (I mean, he bolded it and everying -- even if it was a slip, or lie, or dumb move or whatever).

Your interpretation of Raud as jumping off of Pine as an excuse to get on

Snake's

wagon

instead of

Cworl's

is interesting to me though given that C-Worl was so close to being lynched and Pine and Jindori shared the same number of votes. In fact, Raud had this to say about the easiest lynch target at the time he unvoted Pine:

C-Worl: I still think that he's town who both scum teams saw as an easy target to get lynched.

Given that Raud is lynched and flips scum, it seems pretty clear to me who at least one of his partners is. To me, it doesn't make sense to buddy up to a scummy player, avoid hopping on his wagon, and then interpret him as town. If C-Worl didn't have so many weak points then I'd agree that this might be a smart move, but C-Worl is such an easy lynch that this just wouldn't make sense.

Given that a direct role claim makes for an easy bus decision, it may be worth noting that before the lock, Raud's vote was on Jindori.

Theoretical Teams:

Hm, in fact seeing that both C-Worl and Raud are sitting on Pine after the jindori flip AND they both move their vote within the space of two vote counts (C-Worl to tclawren and Raud to Snake) at which point tclawren transfers his vote to Pine before switching to Snake himself (as one of the later voters, I might add), I'm inclined to believe we would be looking at Raud/C-Worl/jindori/Pine(?) - tclawren/Reck(?)/Kise(?)/? in the event that Raud is as werewolf as I suspect he is and that Kise's gambit was a rolefishing maneuver instead of a clever townie move.

I mean does anyone else find it odd that tclawren, who had been almost submissive in his infrequent posting, jumps on Kise

right off the bat

, but then

doesn't vote for him?

Despite that theorycrafting, I honestly like RF/Reck (It should be noted that this is mainly because of RF's D1) as town unless he somehow had a N0 scum investigation on C-Worl, and I am inclined to believe Kise is a pro-town role and possibly just a pro-gambitting vanilla.

I guess, in summary: I'd like both of you lynched, and then C-Worl.

[MrZepher]

BAAAAAACK. I'll catch up within the next day or two... or so...
10 pages shouldn't be too bad... right?

[DemonHybrid]

VOTE COUNT

Day 2 Vote Count (#6)

RaudhrGarm - 7 (tclawren, Reckamonic, C-Worl, ConSpiracy, Nachomamma8, gorilla, T-Bone) L-3
tclawren - 5 (Kise, Lowell, Eldritch Lord, singersigner, RaudhrGarm)
ConSpiracy - 1 (Powerrox93)
Kise - 1 (Pine)
Powerrox93 - 1 (implosion)

Not voting - 4 (Charlie, Chronopie, MrZepher, quadz08)

Chronopie is Semi V/LA until an unspecified amount of time.

If this votecount is wrong, let me know.

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch and 10 to No Lynch. Deadline is May 7th, 2011 at 5:00 PM EDT.

[implosion]

Well, Reckamonic, a few reasons.

1) if a strange new kill flavor shows up and you wind up dead, we'll know what it was for sure.
2) if someone decides to visit you and dies, we'll know it was you.
3) you - if town - lose absolutely nothing by claiming a kill flavor
4) to be sure that the "choking" kill flavor was, in fact, a vig/SK because it could theoretically have been you.

gorilla, it was basically agreeing with the reads and what you said about CS.

BTW, quadz and powerrox just earned a lot of scumpoints for this. They try to form an easy wagon without any substance.

Explain how what I did was scummy? I felt that saying Kise is the SK and then leaving him alive was an anti-town idea. Calling it "without substance" is also a misrep.

Soo, I wanted to answer this, when implosion ninja'd me with this. (I appreciate you helping me, but I have my own voice/posts you know)
Let's bring it up:

I'm not doing it to defend you, I'm doing it because their votes were illogical and powerrox was sheeping it.

[Reckamonic]

cursed, became ill and decomposed.
Or something in that mindset.
It's very cute.

[ConSpiracy]

/drunkpost

I am getting mad at the people saying my post didn't make sense. We really should keep the SK alive since he doesn't want to mafia/werewolves to overpower the town either. -> he will act as a vig.
At least now, because town just lost 3 PR's.

[RaudhrGarm]

I actually agree that the SK should be left alive, especially as they are usually enough to lynch near the end of the game. They have the same goal as us for the most part, which is to be secure from the scum threat.

Now, would all the non-scum please get off my wagon before other scum turn up and hammer please?

[C-Worl]

You mean your partners are ass enough to buss you? Damn, that sucks.

[gorilla]

hmm yeah, an entire scumteam is about to quickhammer on day 2 of a large normal, that is what is going to happen

i am swayed by the sincerity of your words and the logic of your argument

[RaudhrGarm]

[Reckamonic]

HOLY SHIT WHAT AN EXCELLENT DEFENSE!

[Kise]

Yeh u gaiz shud totlly let me live n kill skumteemz

Yo im gonna compile a post but I like sarcsm and it's funny how I get the SK speculation. But sure thats cool if it makes scum think I have a bulletproof modifier so they can't kill me. I'm cool with being called SK. Won't deny it at the moment.

[Gollum]

No I don't want to play tonight. Too much reading.

[Lowell]

Pattern:
1) Someone (usually Lowell) calls tclaw scum
2) tclaw says "what the deal be? why am I being called scum?"
3) Someone (usually Lowell) explains
4) tclaw disappears

I swear to god this has happened like five times. I'm starting to wonder why scum

wouldn't

just lurk their way to victory.

That said, the raudhr case is fine, too. I was also put off by the "whoa is we" post immediately after the night scene.

fos raudhr

, for whatever that's worth.

[Kise]

But arent you scum too?

[gorilla]

They're both scummy, unless there is a good reason tclawren needs to die sooner, I'm fine with voting Raud because his defense is particularly weak. telling us to get off before the other scum hammer him is just attempting to inspire fear + appeal to emotions, he's not attempting to be helpful and point anyone out

[RaudhrGarm]

Well as I know that I'm not scum, and considering how quickly the wagon has been built up, I think it is safe to assume that at least one scum-team is on it, who probably discussed who'd they try to lynch the next day.

Plus Reck, I can't tell if you're serious as to whether you think that that image was a defence.

[Powerrox93]

@implosion: Since when became it scummy to have bad luck?

[gorilla]

sure okay

name the scum for me then, raud

[tclawren]

@EL: I had a feeling you would say that about the night kills. I got bad feelings about you regarding them also.
Regarding his iso, I didn't mesmerize his iso obviously, but I certainly did look it over when I voted for him about a page before I pointed out his slip. When he said that he had always wanted a pine lynch, something didn't sound right and I looked it up to make sure. I was right.

[RaudhrGarm]

Always wanted =/= wanted.

@Gorilla:
Reck, T-Claw and when he inevitably switches; Pine. They are the ones I'm pretty sure are scum. I'm still uncertain on the others.

[RaudhrGarm]

So we essentially lost two cops and a doc?

Great. :/

It's funny that this is quite literally the only thing you have to say at the beginning of the day.

Fair enough. Oh, and was anybody else intrigued by Nero Cain's decision to laugh at Eldritch's hammer of Snake? Seemed a little out of place.

Was there any reason you brought this up?

Yeah, I'm good with this lynch.

Vote: RaudhrGarm

tclaw is likely mafiascum.
Going to follow up on yesterday's scumsuspects tomorrow.

Interesting, you think that tclaw is scum yet choose to put a vote on me out of the blue. As for bringing up the second quote, I wanted to see if anybody was a bit perturbed by the laughing at the hammer. To me, it felt a little ominous.

[ConSpiracy]

Game is boring... Nothing happens.
Raudh, just make another slip so we have three more players join your wagon to lynch you.

[singersigner]

I'm actually just looking forward to why Kise is so interested in lynching tclawren. He hasn't given his reasons yet.